Saturday, 18 February 2012
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State-Sponsored Rape
Virginia's poised to enact ‘State-Sponsored Rape’ law forcing women to be vaginally probed before abortions. Legislator suggests that women who consent to sex also consent to vaginal probing. And I say... what about rape victims. How can they force rape victims to be penetrated again against their will?
The revised criminal definition of rape is “the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object." It is 100% rape as it is legally defined.
Earlier this month, a bill requiring women to receive an ultrasound before they can receive an abortion passed the Virginia senate, and it recently cleared a state house committee with an overwhelming majority. The bill would force most women to undergo a stunningly invasive procedure for no medical reason whatsoever.
An unnamed lawmaker told a fellow Virginia delegate that a woman already consented to being “vaginally penetrated when they got pregnant.”
The state is forcing women to be penetrated with an object against their will in order to obtain a LEGAL medical procedure. I find Virginia's invasion of a woman's right to choose an end run around Roe V. Wade and an invasion of a woman's person!
http://www.arlnow.com/2012/02/14/englin-blasts-gop-bill-for-requiring-vaginal-penetration/
http://hamptonroads.com/2012/02/outrage-virginia-senate
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one word: bullshit.
Demonizing responsible statesmanship is the way of the progressive. The object of this legislation is to save the life of the unborn child by giving the mother a better look at her offspring.
In self ruling societies it is the civic duty of the people to set moral standards.
Progressivism is the road to mass murder and mass misery precisely because it advocates the removal of all standards.
And without standards there is no longer any reason to strive for excellence. Thus decline is inevitable.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - Spoken like someone who has never actually seen mass murder. Before social conservatives start calling a movement dedicated towards eleviating suffering "a road to mass murder" ... maybe they should look towards their own backyard. Seriously, how many children, women and innocent men has the conservative-supported Iraq war killed so far? 200,000? 400,000? A million?
By the way, thank you so much to the blogger who posted this. This information really needs to be known by everybody. In order to e-mail the Virginia state senators or representatives to let them know how outrageous and immoral their actions are, please go to http://apps.lis.virginia.gov/sfb1/Senate/EmailList.aspx and also http://dela.state.va.us/dela/MemBios.nsf/MWebsiteEL?OpenView
Only a storm of e-mails from hundreds of thousands around the country can help reverse this decision.
Can't say I'm surprised considering it IS virginia we're talking about. This is a gross violation of women's rights, and outright disturbing.
Bleh.
When posts are this charged in the first place, there's no room for actual intelligent discussion. I agree that this legislation is outrageous, but c'mon. Using loaded language takes people who are on the fence and scares them away.
@phoebester@xanga - I hope you're disappointed in Obama and a number of other so-called liberals in power, then. Liberal politicians have given lip service to their base on the war, but their actions are hardly distinguishable from that of the Bush era.
If it's not medically necessary or relevant to the abortion, then I can see why the law is a problem. On the other hand, to compare it to rape is not only inaccurate, it's insulting to the people who actually HAVE been raped. With rape, it's something that is done against the victim's will. Is anyone forcing the woman to get an abortion in this case? No.
No. Just no.
Wow....I don't know what to say.
I don't know if it's rape or not, and I don't care.It's still disgusting violation of an individual's rights. How can politicians be this stupid? I just can't fathom it.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - That's quite the statement for someone who doesn't have a vagina, and therefore, will never have to endure such a horrific experience. Sure, a man does help to make a fetus, but it is the woman who has to carry it for nine months, risking her own health in the process. You have no say in this matter. Go back to revelife.
And by the way, a fetus is not a child. This is like saying men commit mass murder every time they masturbate.
Vaginal probing? Would anyone care to explain why vaginal probing would be relevant to an abortion?
Kind of like how you need to get a speculum shoved up there so an obgyn can inspect it before they will prescribe birth control... sucks.
@starcrossedloversdivine@xanga - maybe you should switch gynecologists because they definitely don't require that where I go.
Hope they have a car, and come here to north carolina. Phew. I am so angry about this. Even pro-life girls should be furious about this.
I don't understand the point of this... please someone explain how probing a vagina will have effects on an abortion other than make the woman feel violated.
@colormysky27@xanga - Maybe
it's a state thing. Even when I was poor and went to planned parenthood
they required an exam before prescription renew (1x/yr)
I love how pro-lifers are so determined to see babies who are born with severe, untreatable deformities and under developments suffer for the only few minutes of life. I'm not pro abortion and I'm sure as hell not as selfish as pro-lifers but if my baby was going to die within a few minutes to hours after birth and there wasn't a way to treat what they had, I'd abort so I wouldn't have to see them suffer at birth. They are trying to do away with abortion on all cases but they are legally raping women. Women consent and at times need the abortion, noone would really consent to some sexual predator penetrating. That's coming from a rape victim, and who ever agrees to actually doing that "procedure" should be labeled as a sexual predator and listed.
No, you can't have an intelligent conversation about abortion. People get too fired up and in all honesty, if you are against abortion at all costs, you are incredibly selfish towards any babies who are born just to suffer for the first few hours of their lives and then die from suffocation.
Well, I think it really depends on the situation. I'm iffy on the comparison to rap, but I can see how it's used. If someone truly does not want to go through with such a procedure and they want to have an abortion, then it is being forced upon them. Vaginal ultrasounds are incredibly invasive for people who consent to have them. Just because a woman consents to an abortion does not mean that she should be forced to do such a thing, especially when it not medically necessary. These states are treating women as though they are incapable of making this decision for themselves.
@lewk@xanga - I don't think it's fair to compare Obama to this legislation. This is something that is being created now. Obama has inherited all of these problems from the Bush era. It's not like he could have just pulled us out as soon as he was in office... that's not feasible.
@starcrossedloversdivine@xanga - That is also a violation, in my opinion, as it is unnecessary to precede a prescription for birth control, especially for young women. I get my birth control online because of it, though you can buy some OTC. Really shouldn't put obstacles in place for young females who might otherwise get pregnant as a consequence.
That said, the vaginal probe appears to be more invasive.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - The government, as made majorly of non-OB/GYNs, has no business in deciding whether one medical procedure should precede another. Those who passed this legislation made it pretty clear that their intentions were to discourage abortion, not to ensure a woman's state of health (and even if it were the latter, I'd be awfully curious to know why the government has never otherwise gotten involved in other aspects of women's healthcare).
Forcing an unnecessary, uncomfortable to painful invasive medical procedure is not an effective way to instill moral character. It is however a great way to instill outrage.
@DrummingMediocrity@xanga - There is nothing wrong with discouraging murder. After all, that is what abortion is, murder of the unborn.
Requiring that a mother be given a sonogram, a photograph of her unborn child, in order that she see the person whom she is about to murder, is one of the few humane acts a government can perform.
@phoebester@xanga - The Iraq war liberated 25,000,000 people from the hands of a the hands a mass murderer, Saddam Hussein. You obviously can't see mass murder when it is right in front of you.
George Bush went to war in order because he saw a repeat of Adolf Hitler. Saddam Hussein was doing exactly the same thing as that mad man from the 1930s.
Progressives have no idea of history. They think they have evolved passed it. That isn't my conclusion. That is the basic foundation of the progressive philosophy. And it requires that one forsake reality and adopt an unattainable Utopian nightmare.
@MagicalMayhem@xanga - Having a vagina is not a prerequisite to having a brain. And a thoughtful person thinks with their brain, not their vagina.