Monday, 26 November 2012
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What is the Point of Marriage?
This post was submitted by Stella.
So, it’s the weekend and I've been doing my own bit to contribute to the society by heaping my electricity bill while putting in my time on the couch. I am a TV troll. I watch pretty much every TV show you can imagine. Sometimes I wonder how I have time for anything else. Anyway, I digress; back to the point of this post.
Amongst the multitude of reality shows I watch, I noticed a common trend among a majority of the characters that were in relationships: They were living together (a few with kids or planning on having kids). Basically, living like a “married couple” and for some reason a few of the women were unhappy because "he hadn't put a ring on it."
I look at the couples around me as well and it’s the same situation. One lady in particular stands out to me. She finally got her proposal and is in the thick of planning her wedding. As part of her planning, she has come up with a list of things that must change after marriage. The list includes things like no more late nights with the boys, no friends crashing at their place, and it goes on. They’ve been living together for years and they have two kids (6 & 2). In my eyes, their situation isn’t changing; all they are doing is adding the title of husband/wife and Mrs for the lady.
They already have the companionship, they are sharing responsibilities, supporting each other's dreams and all that good stuff that marriage is supposed to be about. What motivation does the guy have to change his ways? With the current divorce rates I ask, are people getting married just to have the ceremony to splash cash and show off just how much money they are making? Or is it that people believe that the piece of paper they sign will guarantee that they will be together forever? Is getting married just another trend?I personally feel that if you’ve got a good thing going adding the titles ‘Husband’ or ‘Wife’ can only add undue pressure to the relationship. I don’t know if I have been living in my own little bubble for so long that I'm late at noticing this trend, but if so, please forgive me but I still want to hear your thoughts.
In the world we live in today and the way “dating” is handled, what is the point of marriage?
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Tax benefits?
Some of us still believe that you should work on a relationship to make it last. And marriage is the way for us to say that without actually saying it.
Maybe being legally married adds that "its forever" flavor to it for some people. I think a lot of people like that kind of security, or just the idea that it just got harder to walk away.
I'm 22. I got married at 19. My family thought I was pregnant. I wasn't. We have no kids.
My husband still hangs out with his friends, and I have my friends I hang out with. He wants me to get to know some of his friends so that way I'll start going with him to more of their houses.
I think in this time period, it's different than in the 50's. It's not all about staying home, tending to the house, kids, chores, etc. People like going out and having fun. It's not like we're cheating on each other when we do. It's not like we get wasted and go home with different people. We just have fun.
And we didn't get married for the titles. We got married because we love each other. But I know people who have gotten married for the sake of getting married. Which is beyond stupid to me.
I would dump someone so quickly if they gave me a list of things that needed to change after we got married. Sounds a little controlling. I shouldn't say I would dump them, I would talk to them about it, and if they remained firm about it I would leave. I'm still uncertain about marriage. My parents who have been married for the past almost 30 years have told me time and time again to not get married or if I do to get eloped. My parents were eloped and it saved them a ton of money haha.
The point of marriage is a sign of the strong bond you both hold for each other that all hope is the forever time. Dating is just handled in a way anymore that makes it almost pointless. As a culture and world, the ideas of dating that originally acted as a way to determine whether a person is "marriageable" needs to be reinstated. The idea that is adopted far too commonly anymore needs to go away in the process and the old ideals need to be restored.
There are tax and legal benefits of marriage. It's the only reason I'm doing it again. My fiance and I have both been divorced before. My ex-husband had all these idealistic views of marriage. Wouldn't marry me in a courthouse. It had to be an expensive beach ceremony...Imagine that, the woman being the sensible one about the wedding!
Anyway, nothing changes for us once we get married except tax status and some other perks such as him being able to insure me. Do I wanna be with him forever? As of now, absolutely. If that ever changes, I doubt we would go through the trouble of a divorce. As for the wedding, we are getting hitched at the courthouse. We have a great thing going.We aren't going to let a wedding and a document with our names on it redefine our relationship somehow.
You really said it. Nonsense tradition.
For religious people, it has a deeper meaning than just a title or tax benefits. For Christians, marriage is supposed to be a lifelong commitment, and you're not supposed to have sex before marriage, so no living together or kids together until after. Those things are perks that come along with marriage. Also, in other cultures, marriage might be arranged, or something you're supposed to do as you become an adult. But yeah, I can understand why people would think marriage is pointless if these things don't matter.
Fiscal reasons are numerous... for many women, getting married means they never have to work another day in their life, whether they get divorced or not. The relatively high percentage of women that think like that are a pretty serious reason to shy away from the marriage concept...
There are also certain benefits to be had from the state, employing companies, and whatnot, as well as a number of legal rights that are important.
Perhaps the most important though is that it is the culturally acceptable thing to do. If, like you say, the arrangement is basically similar to the one the couple is already sharing, but will win them some approval from friends, family, and maybe even strangers, then why not enter into marriage formally?
Least important, but most desirable, is the personal pledge to another person that you really love them enough to put a timeless symbol upon your relationship, and be recognized, evermore, in conjunction with the other person. It is a symbolic tying of fortunes that can be very meaningful if the couple is the type to which symbols of that sort matter. It's something like promising to bring home flowers every day, or promising to visit his parents each summer without complaining. It is another way, an honorable way, to tell someone they are special to you. And in long term relationships... you can't find enough ways to express to the person that they are special to you.
Marriage is also about making vows or promises to another person- the person you are committing to go all in with. You promise to never leave the relationship, no matter if they are rich or poor, become better or worse, are healthy or become ill- until death. This is a promise made on faith that allows you to not have to hold back from the other person, but instead lets you be real with them. You don't have to hide, because they promise not to leave. You can fight with them in a healthy way to resolve conflict. Someone else already said that is often is a tradition rooted in Christianity, and I think that often marriages aren't able to remain true to these vows, because they are not secure in their relationship with their Maker- the only one who they can't hide from, that always accepts them and that never leaves them. From that security they can continue on to trust people, and forgive them when their husband or wife lets them down. Clearly, I think that marriage is really important ;)
I think too many people see marriage as something people do or a rite of passage. Marriage takes a lot of work. To be honest, there is no real purpose for marriage. People don't have to get married to have a fulfilling life. Your friend is being completely unrealistic. You cannot change the terms of a relationship just because you are legally married. She is asking for trouble in her relationship. I think that if she does not want her boyfriend partying anymore, that is something she needs to discuss with him. To me it sounds like she is getting to the point where she and her significant other might be at different points in their lives and they may have different priorities. Getting married is not going to force him to change.
Because I want it damn it. All there is to it! If you don't want to then do not. But for me, marriage is to solidifying that commitment. One can say forever all they want but until I am wed, they are just words.
There really wasn't until governments around the world starting meddling into people's affairs and tying certain legal rights to marriage, and saying that only married couples should have these rights. It's complete bullshit.
There should be no tax breaks for being married (or having kids, for that matter). You should be allowed to file jointly on your taxes with whoever you want. You should be able to get an insurance policy with whoever you want, open a bank account with whoever you want, name anyone to get survivor benefits and/or take over your retirement pension, among other things that are relegated only to married couples. No, marriage is a means of legal discrimination. That's all there is to it.
Make all the 1200+ rights only given to married couples available to everyone (like they should be!) and marriage will be a thing of the past. I can promise you that.
I would hardly call it a trend at this point, lol.
I don't think marriage should be considered "the next level" of a relationship - instead, couples should get married (if they want to get married at all) because they're already at "the next level."
Marriage as a cultural concept doesn't hold a lot of importance to me - good relationships can make good marriages, but marriage can't (in our culture, anyway) turn a bad relationship around. While I don't consider a good married relationship to be more significant than a good non-married relationship, I did get married recently, partly because why not? Also, there are still legal benefits from marriage, even if a wedding doesn't change any core relationship dynamics.
I do not believe in unconditional commitments, and thus I disagree with the idea of marriage. It is too bad I will be somewhat disabled by the many tax breaks I won't be getting because my boyfriend and I chose to be sensible with our lives.
If your wife/ husband gets hurt, you are allowed to see your spouse in the emergency room. If you're just a boy/girlfriend then, they won't allow you in that particular room.
to me, wanting to get married is a sign of a person wanting to seriously settle down, stay committed, and be there to help, support, respect and protect their partner for the long haul. I would not want to stay involved with someone who had no intentions of getting married, because being married and just dating/being engaged are two completely different ball games to me. marriage is the be all, end all in my eyes. I dated someone for 6 years and was engaged for 2 of those, but I broke it off due to just needing to go my own separate way and doing my own thing. I know it wouldn't be so easy for me to just walk away if I were married. maybe I would've tried harder, maybe I would've fought longer, but we were just engaged, and it wasn't the end of the world.
There really is no point in getting married if one spouse or both spouses don't value the meaning behind " For better and for worse " Marriage anymore is just a legal document, a piece of paper that is basically another form of identification screaming " FINANCIAL INSTITUTION!!!!"
Marriage was largely used a vehicle for consolidating political and financial power as well as providing an environment for children to grow. Sure, it has a religious dimension, too, but that doesn't really matter much to most people nowadays (as if it really did in the past, lol).
In the modern world, a lot of things have changed between the genders, but marriage is still treated, from a legal standpoint, in a very old-fashioned way. It's starting to change in certain places for the better (such as the reduction or even elimination of alimony, etc), but it still has a long way to go before it's really up to speed. The main changes to marriage that need to occur could be reduced to two areas: the legal definitions of marriage, and the legal precedents that the courts use to award things like parental custody, division of property, etc. I think that fixing up the legal issues (for example, making prenups a pre-requisite to obtaining a marriage license) would solve a lot of the problems with the latter issue of legal precedents.
I also think that it's very foolish for anyone to view marriage solely as a declaration of love, because the history of the institution shows that it was often treated as anything BUT that. Just because you want to view it as a solidification of the bond you have with your lover, does not mean you get to ignore the legal and fiscal implications of such a union. And if or when that bond dissolves, you will find yourselves dealing with those implications in a very ugly way that you could have mitigated earlier, had you taken a more pragmatic view of the marriage institution.
Of course the easier option is to get the state out of marriage altogether. But that's a story for another day.
It's the legal benefits. And if you don't get married and you break up, the world sees you as "never married," so there's still a stigma. It's all silly to me and I don't believe in marriage.
@QuantumStorm@xanga - I never thought I would agree with you to this degree. I think that couples who don't think about pre-nups are overly idealistic, but love kind of blurs reality for some of us.
I'm too selfish to get married. I don't want to invite anyone. I won't share my happiness with them
I'd elope tarzan style. there will be no formal wedding attired. we'd both be half naked. a sarong on a guy never looked so hot. I'm imagining david gandy*sigh* I'd marry him in a heartbeat. or elope or do whatever he wants
for you(d.g.) I will
I'd marry my boss crush, too. he's already married though. I'd elope with both of them. okay eloping with a married man is taking it a little too far. I'll just caress his sexy body underneath the waterfall in the jungle
damnit I want to see some hot naked jungle men
Marriage is different for everyone, I think. For some people, sure it's all a trend. Especially a lot of the girls who get married straight out of high school. For others, they're genuinely in love & have been together for a long time & believe it's time to take that next step. For me, marriage will be a partnership. I can't just be in love with a guy, I want to be deeply & firmly ready to start a family with him, & ready to tackle any problem that comes our way, because I don't really believe in divorce unless you're really not in love or your relationship is damaging the children.
@wildchildofthebluemoon@xanga - I like this comment. It's making me think about another angle of the whole thing... and I'm already married.