Tuesday, 25 September 2012

  • Experience and Maturity


    I am going to talk today about experience and maturity. You might start reading this post believing they are one and the same, but it is my intention to convince you otherwise. You see, I believe that a person can have a wealth of experience, but not be mature, and that it is also possible to be very mature without a lot of experience.

    Now before you start thinking that I mean sexual experience, stop. Because I don't. Let's leave the virgin and non-virgin equation out of it. I want to talk about life experience. Have you ever encountered someone with a great deal of life experience? They have been there and back again and have the stories to prove it. Sometimes they have the physical or emotional scars to prove it as well.

    Forgive me if this offends you, but picture your stereotypical 'butch' lesbian. What kind of life partner do you typically see her with? If you pay attention it is someone who usually looks and acts the same way. And why do you think that is? Because she sees in the other woman a reflection of the same life experiences she herself has been through.

    This means the same kind of coming-out story filled with various amounts of acceptance and rejections from friends and family. But really it is about seeking out the same level of soul searching to answer life's greatest questions: "Who am I and why am I here?"

    I used the example of the truly 'butch' lesbian because when they are together, they just stick out like a sore thumb. Others do not. I believe we all seek out those who have similar experiences in life as we do ourselves. For some this means seeking out those who have been through great sorrow. For others this may mean seeking out those who have always had a silver spoon. There really is nothing like finding a soul mate, in whatever package that happens to arrive.

    So do you see by now how I have defined maturity? Maturity is not seeking out the weak and vulnerable because they can give us a means of physical pleasure. A mature person seeks out those who have been through the same life experiences as themselves.

    There are a great many individuals on this site (Xanga) who have a great deal of life experience. I'm sure you know some yourself. Now the next time you think over a potential mate for a relationship ask yourself these questions; Has this person ever sacrificed anything? Has this person been through hell and back? Because if the answer is yes, they may have enough maturity to not only understand themselves, but also to understand you. And isn't that what we all want? To be understood?

    How do you define experience? How do you define maturity? Without naming names, can you think of people in your life that have these qualities?

Comments (21)

  • light_blue_fables@xanga

    The logic is a bit ass backwards. Sorry. 

  • DrummingMediocrity@xanga

    Uh.. Maturity means seeking out those like us?  Never heard that applied as the definition.  In fact, I'd argue maturity is valuing the differences in others.  Also, your post has no definitive middle or end.  No offense but I don't really understand your point.

  • lenybobsyouruncle@xanga

    i think maturity is learning from your experience. and immaturity is innocence caused by ignorance. thus someone could actually be both mature and immature- learning from some experience but not all.




    but the real tickler about my paradigm is that it is founded upon a dehumanization about personality types. if you are a thinker you are mature or immature, with slow exponential growth towards awareness, but if you are a feeler you are only immature.


    wanting people with similar experiences isn't a sign of maturity but of individualism. wanting to be with people who can understand us is individualistic. while wanting to be with people who could help us learn more diverse paradigms by hearing their views about the world is collectivistic. collectivistic ideologies tend to be more mature, because as people age there is a tendency for child-rearing and thus truly looking after more people than one self. also such people have more experiences/voices to learn more from.
    btw that isn't really my perspective as my culture's perspective. i don't have a view about maturity, because i think there is a time and place for all things, especially play (a culturally inconsistent idea with maturity).
  • LALALANDFM@xanga

    @DrummingMediocrity@xanga - I have to say I agree with you so much.  Maturity is when willing to go out of your comfort zones and connecting andexcept others with many differences. Finding ways to compliment others and your self with those differences.

  • LALALANDFM@xanga
  • TheNotoriousGOD@xanga

    i didn't exactly follow what was going on, but i agree that people have an innate desire to feel more comfortable around things (including people) that are familiar.  that's lesson #1 of schmoozing:  when meeting someone new, you find something in common to chat about.  would i call it maturity?  probably not.

    by the way, you don't have to be shy about publicly singing my praises next time :D

  • WaitingToShrug@xanga

    What? What does seeking out people who have similar life experiences have to do with maturity? I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that necessarily, I just don't think the two are related.
    I think that has more to do with comfort, similar values, and interests in common. Also being able to understand where the other person is coming from. So, having similar life experiences *can* be a helper in a relationship, but it doesn't mean you are mature.

  • Gaia

    @WaitingToShrug@xanga -  I suppose it boils down to the fact that in order to guarentee our partner is someone with maturity, finding someone whose life experience mirrors our own can lead to that. That was my point.

    To all: Epic Fail in getting that point across apparently. My apologies.

  • P0RCELA1N_D0LL@xanga

    oh yeah, one of my aunts is old but very immature, shameless, greedy, and conniving. she swindles money from her naive and trusting parents, who are in their 70-80's. experienced in conning people, but extremely immature amongst other things.

  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    "A mature person seeks out those who have been through the same life experiences as themselves"
    Um.. No.
    I like to be around people who have different stories and life experiences then my own.,. thats how you grow and learn about what others have gone through.. Otherwise it tends to end up sounding like a "my story is worse then your story" thing and I'd rather not deal with that.

  • bai_ling@xanga

    Not the same. Agreed. But defining maturity should include respect for others and oneself, consideration and responsibility. Now I agree you don't have to be experienced to be mature, but it helps. On the other hand, if you're experienced, very much experienced,  that's all you are, not mature, not necessarily.

  • immoral_sensei@xanga

    maturity: the abilty to learn from mistakes including other's misstates.

  • Kuai_le1010@xanga

    You know that saying that people either grow bitter or better? That's the truth. You'd expect people in their 70's to have a certain amount of wisdom and maturity about them because they've had a lifetime of experiences but sometimes, you'll find an old BRAT instead.
    People can absolutely learn wisdom from experiences but sometimes those experiences can make them dissappointed, angry, bitter or feeling entitled to more than they deserve. My husband's grandmother is a perfect example. At 73, she still hasn't learned that gossiping, being selfish, expecting other people to cater to her, blaming others for her faults and realizing that it's not ALL about her are very negative things that are hurting her and making her bitter.
    On the other hand, I had a truly wonderful grandma who was gracious and allowed her experiences to mature her and guide her in a positive way. It is all about disposition and choosing how experiences will affect you.

    I don't know about finding similar people in life as a definition of maturity. Having the courage to find out who we are and stick to it despite others around us can be a sign of maturity...or maybe just bravery.

  • Kuai_le1010@xanga

    @lenybobsyouruncle@xanga - how is play immature? It's a need that we all have and it has been found that people who work too much actually end up having decreased brain function. I love to play, especially when I've got everything I needed to done.
    Play is not immaturity. Having poor boundaries concerning our play is. 

  • lenybobsyouruncle@xanga

    @Kuai_le1010@xanga - you are absolutely right about brain function. but there is a point of contention, maturity doesn't aid brain function, it decreases it. namely in the form of the brain becoming less plastic. that exasperated consistency of giving up on creativity is to me the fundament of maturity, and why i don't seek it.


    to put it another way, we are using the word 'maturity' differently in terms of linguistic role. you are using it as a good thing almost like "growing up the right way", while i'm using it as a 'neutral' thing with solely historical meaning "growing up to be the right thing, according to antiquity/culture of when the word was created".
    an adult playing is improper, undignified, and immature. it is the opposite of being stoic. that doesn't mean it isn't the best thing for their health/mind. just that maturity doesn't give a shit about health, only role in society.

    btw in the other post "bitter or better", bitter was closer to maturity/stoicism. the problem is people are just trying to misuse words rather than create new ones to contain their preferred and incompatible meaning, like this person saying that maturity is something people reach 'by age four' (which is the time this practice of self absorbed bias becomes present).
  • Kuai_le1010@xanga

    @lenybobsyouruncle@xanga - I have never related being stoic as being mature or "adult". It sounds like you have a stereotype stuck in your head as to what adult is. Maturity does not decrease creativity at all. I don't think it's mature to be a workaholic. Gaining maturity should bring about balance so that no particular area dominates your life to the point of hurting you or impairing you. The most mature I've ever personally felt is when I was playing silly games with my kids because I know that what I put into them today is going to benefit them tomorrow. We play pretty most of the day, make games of housework and learning. I am a great mom who strives for maturity and I am very rarely stoic.

    I view maturity as learning how to function in a way that is beneficial not only to yourself but to others around you. That route is different for everyone depending on what their passion is. Creative people can be creative, by-the-book people can be by the book. It's not creativity vs. maturity at all. Take for example my brother and sister.
    Both of them are ridiculously creative. They can draw, create all sorts of things with their hands and in general well surpass many in talent. My brother on one hand is of the mindset that being creative is more important than keeping a steady job that is not entirely focused on creativity, going to college(because in his opinion, even art classes may not touch on the kind of art he likes) or listening to anyone else. Where is he? He is unhappy and depressed most of the time because he has done nothing with his life. Can he play almost any instrument? yes. Can he draw better than anyone I know? absolutely. But his problem is that he never has learned how to create a balance and go further because he lacks maturity. He is stuck in a self-defeating circle.
    My sister, on the other, decided to put in hard work and get a degree, which I absolutely understand is not for everyone. It was just her choice. She realized that it would be beneficial for her future because she was able to look past the immediate moment and look at the future, which is a keystone of maturity. She ended up getting a degree in business management and now is paid a lot of money to create the artistic jewelry that she makes and sells out of her own store. She is ridiculously creative and has learned that it does not have to be stifled. Maturity does not stifle creativity. If a person is creative enough, and mature enough to put in the hard work it takes, they can figure out how to make a living doing what they love.
    If someone continuously makes choices that hurt them, makes themselves and others miserable and they keep hitting a wall, complaining about it but never changing their self-destructive habits, then they are immature in the fact that they do not learn.

  • LALALANDFM@xanga

    @Kuai_le1010@xanga - I have a feeling your missing what dear lenny bob is saying... It seem's he's talking about the original meaning of the word.  Not what he thinks the word should be.

    At least that's what I got from the conversation that had nothing todo with me. lol

  • Kuai_le1010@xanga

    @LALALANDFM@xanga - maturity[məˈtjʊərɪtɪ -ˈtʃʊə-]

    n1. the state or quality of being mature; full development.

    That is the definition or the original meaning that I was trying to discuss. Development/growth instead stagnacy.
    It's open for discussion for anyone : )
  • dw817@xanga

    I change my mood based upon whom I'm with. With Rose I can be a little bouncy, with Chris I have to be a bit more mature. I've been told I'm a bit of a chameleon and unless the environment is downright hostile, I can blend in to most settings.

    And of course, is there is danger, I do tend to take flight. Φ

  • Awake_My_Soul420@xanga

    Maturity is about how easily you can grow with & accept change. I'm currently 22 & I'm at that point where the adults around me are attempting to inform me how to become a mature adult.. which can include anything from liking country music to eating asparagus.. I don't really know what to think about all that, especially since I don't believe any sort of food is the key to magically becoming an adult, but I do think we have to stop thinking so much about it. Humans are always looking for the answer to life & why we're here, we're always searching for signs that will lead us on the right path, & we're always asking questions to deities that might or might not exist. I think the ability to think is our biggest downfall, especially considering we have a huge tendency to overthink EVERYTHING. 


    So what is the key to experience & maturity? I can't say for anyone else, but for me it's to learn to enjoy life, love without fear of being hurt, sing & dance without embarrassment, & to try & be in control of myself & my emotions (I think this is the hardest thing for most to overcome). Of course, there are WAY more factors but that's kind of top on my list.
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