Monday, 16 July 2012

  • Adoption Dealbreaker?


    So the local newscycle (read : gossipy secretaries, whom I love dearly) has brought me yet another story of breakup.  This one though, caught my ear because of the underlying issue.

    The man, for reasons widely speculated upon, but ultimately unknown, had informed the woman that he wanted children, but would only adopt.

    The woman, at this point, ended the relationship.

    The common view among the gossipers was that the woman had made the right call... but I should say, all of these gossipers happen to have biological children of their own.  Perhaps that's a factor in their judgments.

    So, I put it to you, daters... assuming you were a person who wanted children, would you end a relationship with a partner who also wanted children, but would only adopt?

    Would the person's reasoning matter?  What if the person was genetically infertile, as opposed to say, someone who simply believed there was no need to add one more life to a crowded planet, but wanted children anyways. 

    For the males, would you date a female who wanted children, but preferred to adopt to preserve her own body?

Comments (48)

  • flapper_femme_fatale@xanga

    i do want to experience pregnancy some day.  i accept that that's totally selfish, and i don't think that selfishness is always a bad thing.  if nothing else, i'd insist on being a surrogate for another woman.  

  • xcrownedhopeless

    At first my boyfriend and I had disagreements on that. He wanted biological children and I wanted to adopt. I told him my selfish stance of NOT wanting to ever be pregnant and have my body ripped apart by a child. Hey, I did mention that I wasn't selfless, right? I did, on the other hand, want to love a child that hadn't known a parent's love and give them a home. There was no need, in my opinion, to put more children on this earth when there are more than we can count already here in need of what we want to give. He agrees now and I'm glad. Would I have left him had he kept his opinion? No. Maybe I would have changed my opinion on it one day and wanted a child specifically with him. Had he left me when he found out I didn't want children, he wouldn't have found out his view could change (less than a yr later) and here we are now. 

  • T3hZ10n@xanga

    I don't want children, biological or otherwise, mostly due to the world becoming overpopulated as it is and although I do feel as though I could find a way to make it work financially, the added stress of not having a steady/well paying job has me personally opposed to the idea of deliberately making my situation more difficult than it already is right now just for the sake of making my SO happy, but this is of course coming from someone who doesn't foresee himself being in a relationship again. If I knocked someone up, of course I'd take responsibility and do my best to provide for them (that is, my SO and my spawn), but as for intentionally adopting... considering my current financial, occupational, residential, and relationship status, I'd decline, but I could probably still be convinced anyway.

    And yes, I said "spawn" to be humorous.

  • Trueinnerbeauty@lovelyish

    I have always wanted to adopt, since I was old enough to know what adoption was. It is one of the first things I let boyfriends know, oddly I was just diagnosed as physically unable to have children of my own, so I am not particularly heartbroken

  • TilWeOverdose@xanga
  • P0RCELA1N_D0LL@xanga

    having kids, whether of my own or adoption isn't on the top of list of priorities. however, I've had an urge to have kids before, but was likely just my impulsive carnal desires. I wouldn't mind having a baby with my boss crush, who I think is so gorgeous. he's already married with kids. I think I feel more secure knowing that he already likes kids and he seems ready to take the role of being a dad. that's probably a partial reason of my attraction to him. it is too good to be true that he also looks like a supermodel. how many successful rich men also look like supermodels he's proven successful in his career, is well respected amongst his peers, and his charm is just too overwhelming that I want to have his babies

  • mycontinuity@xanga

    I would be happy with adoption or my own biological children, but if a guy told me what I would have to choose, then that would change things.

  • pain2beauty@xanga

    I'm not sure, all I know is that I want to adopt, why add to the overpopulation when there are already children out there that need loving, stable families . 

  • notinwonderlandanymore@xanga

    She did the right thing. I want kids (both biological and adopted) and I wouldn't date someone who was totally against that. Better to find it out early on before you both get too attached.

  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    Its not a deal breaker for me... I always wanted to adopt (I was adopted as an infant so its always been close to my heart). so when my hubby and I had reached our 3rd year of TTC we decided to become foster parents. 11 children later, 1 now adopted and waiting for the second, I wouldn't change a thing.
    Would I like to have a baby of my own one day? Yes.. and no. If it happens yay, but if not I am content with my family.
    However (and Im going to get flipped out on for this..) I don't support international adoption. There are thousands of children here in our own countries (Canada and the US) that are waiting for their forever families.  They should be our priority. Here in Canada adopting through the foster system is free (you can also now get government subsidies for adopting older children).. so IMO there is no excuse.
    We don't know the guy's reason for not wanting to have biological children. For all we know he may be sterile.

  • Niiksknox@xanga

    I wouldn't end the relationship. I don't mind adopting, but I do want to have my own children as well. I guess the deal breaker would be if he didn't want to compromise with me about that (adopting and having our own children). I would totally understand if he was infertile; that's not something to break up over unless you're really adamant on having children of your own. I want to go through pregnancy and experience the birthing process, but sometimes it's not meant to be -- so if I could adopt and assist in another child's life, I'm all for it.


    Luckily, my boyfriend wants to have children in the future...if we are still together by then, lol.

  • DreamsEscapeMe@xanga

    As several other posters have said, she made the right call. If you are in a long term relationship, the issue of children needs to be brought up early to avoid tension and even heart break. I love my boyfriend, but if he had told me three months in that he didn't want to have biological children, we probably would have broken up at that time unless he said he was open to discussion on the topic. Just because someone says they want to have children eventually doesn't necessarily mean they want to jump in the sack and start making babies right away, it just means that sometime down the line, they want a Jr. running around, hopefully once they are financially and emotionally ready to care for a child.

    Calling the woman selfish because she wants to have biological children is pretty damn inconsiderate if you ask me. Yes, there is an over population of children without loving homes in this world, but that doesn't mean I am the right parent for them, especially since I've always wanted children of my own. Would I consider adoption? Sure, if me or my partner were unable to have children of our own for medical reasons, I would. 



    I'm not going to break up with someone over something they have no control over, but if they made the choice to not have biological children, then we're simply not right for one another, and at this stage in my life, I'm not going to stay in a relationship with someone if we don't see eye to eye on the essential topic of children. Not only is it not fair to me, its not fair to the other person either. One of us is going to end up resenting the other, and resentment is NEVER good in a relationship, EVER.
     
    My cousin wanted to have another child after her third one was born, but her ex-husband didn't, so she went off her BC and got pregnant without telling him, and it (obviously) created HUGE problems in their marriage, and it ultimately ended in them getting a divorce. Of course her ex is a loving father towards all of his children, but it was difficult at first for him to accept that he had another child, and I honestly don't blame him. I understand that my cousin wanted another child, but if she was so hell bent on having another, she should have divorced her husband and found someone else who wanted the same things as her.
  • Persiankitty@xanga

    If one person really wants biological children and the other doesn't, regardless of reasoning, it's probably best that those two individuals not stay together, otherwise they will live with tons of resentment towards one another and neither will ever be truly happy. Same goes for other issues that couples can't agree on. If there's something that somebody absolutely desires and the other person absolutely does not, it's just not going to work. Whether they admit it or not, there will be resentment and unhappiness, and maybe further down the road tons of regret. That's not a good way to live life. You need to know what you want and find someone who supports that. There's really no reason to be with someone who wants different things.

    If a person is simply not biologically capable of having children, that's a different story. Some people can handle it and stay together, and sometimes it just tears couples apart. It really depends on the people involved.

  • WaitingToShrug@xanga

    Depends on the reason. If my husband were unable to have kids, then that wouldn't be a deal breaker. If he just didn't like the idea of having our own, that might be something to upset me. I want to experience pregnancy and birth some day. 

  • wolvenchic@xanga

    I would love to adopt, but at the same time, my husbband said that if we ever had a biological child, he is scared he would favor that child over another. It sounds bad, but I understood an appreciated his honesty. I would never want to put a child in that situation. Especially after reading a blog like this.

  • bhndthemask16@xanga

    Personally I only want to adopt. My boyfriend is fine with adopting, but he also wants kids who are biologically ours as well. We are still discussing lol. I keep telling him to find a surrogate or to figure out how men can get pregnant because I really only want to adopt, I do not want to give birth. This is something I have been thinking about since probably high school or earlier. But relationships are all about compromise and I have been discussing it with him more and more because if you truly want to be with the person, you can figure it out.

  • Digital_Angel21@xanga

    It personally doesn't matter to me, at least now, because I don't have a need to be pregnant. I'm not even sure if I want children or not, it really depends on who I'm with, what I'm doing with my life, and when the kids are coming. If I get pregnant without planning to do so, then I guess I will just roll with the punches and embrace the whole pregnancy/motherhood thing (since I really couldn't justify abortion or adoption at this point in my life, even if the father isn't my husband and doesn't want it).

    But I do understand a woman breaking up with a guy because of it. Some women will not be happy unless they are pregnant. That is why even when a couple has issues conceiving, women run to the fertility doctor and try everything and anything to be pregnant, spending more money than they would looking into adoption instead. I personally don't like the idea, but I understand why these women do it, I do. Being pregnant is a unique experience only women can have, and an essential experience for these women. It is much better for her to leave the guy now, than stay with him, and be unhappy, or worse, trick him into getting her pregnant.

  • Digital_Angel21@xanga

    @LadyGwenivere@xanga - To add onto the international adoption thing, I've read somewhere that in one country or another, sometimes the babies are kidnapped. And I know in some places, they are just in a orphanage because their family is unable to take care of them at the moment. It sounds like such a nice idea, saving a child from a crappy standard of living, but as you said, it makes more sense adopting within your own country. 

  • ShirleyD@xanga

    Yes it would be a deal breaker for me. I want to experience pregnancy, to  be preggers with my mans baby. :) If he couldn't understand that natural need of a woman, then he can get. If he and I both can reproduce, I don't see why we would have to adopt all our children. HOWEVER. I would be open to adoption once I have a kid of my own, so I'd have had that experience. I have nothing against adoption but if our stuff works properly, I want to at least have a kid that way too! 

  • XxQuT3nShYxXBX@xanga

    Interesting topic.. but like alot of people said ..people do need to be on the same page in a relationship and want the same thing. 


    personally Id love to adopt.. after I have my own. 
  • forgottensecrettruths@xanga

    Hmmm...  I used to really want children of my own.  I'd been day dreaming of the time when I could become a father since the seventh grade, so much so that at times my motivations in relationships seemed questionable.  hahahaha, I won't go into any further detail there, but as the years progressed, the urge calmed down, but the desire still existed.  In my younger years, I never would have considered adopting.  The kids needed to be from my seed.  Things changed when I had the opportunity to raise my niece like a single father between the ages of 12 months and three years.  I realized a few things, I make a darn great parent, I don't want children right now, but I do want them soon(ish), and that I don't need to biologically sire the child for me to love them and provide all the things they need, while getting my own parenting needs met as well.  I've had to defend my stance to a few friends on wanting to adopt rather than procreate.  I am totally for adopting over procreating in my own life.  Let others do what they will.  Though, here's something to consider.  The guy may have been plenty fertile.  His cup could have runneth over and such. But what if he's got a terrible pedigree?  Sometimes you get surprised by your capacity to love, but how much is too much to take, say if your family has a history of some illness and your child would be high risk for receiving it?  Wouldn't it be a relief that you can get a child free of that legacy and still raise and love them as your own. I've seen several parents walk away from their children because they had developmental disabilities like autism and mental retardation.  And I'm sure their family genetics seemed fine.  I'm only suggesting that fertility may not be the only reason. 
    You dream about playing catch with your children, racing them down the street in a soapbox derby, teaching them to ride a bike, and how to swim, and this idea builds up in your mind for years of all the great times you're going to have and then the nurse makes a face during the ultrasound, and you can hear the snap of a fragile dream in the center of your chest, and unfortunately, as upstanding and responsible as you thought you were, you might feel, that this is just asking for too much.  Not everyone is committed to the kind of nobility it takes to raise a child with these kind of challenges, even when it's their own.  Cheers! 

  • LadyGwenivere@xanga

    @Digital_Angel21@xanga - yea the international black market for babies is pretty scary... there are "agencies" that basically buy the babies from families that need the money.. with the promise that the child will have a better life and all of that..  and some couples I know don't want to adopt domestically because they don't want to have an open adoption... and some say that there is a lower risk of the birthmom changing her mind in an international adoption. I just think that we need to look after the children in our own countries first. because those children are the future of this country.

  • Edeline_Wrigh@xanga

    For me, it's a dealbreaker if a significant other insists on biological children with me. I never want to be pregnant. I'm skeptical that I'll ever want children at all, but I wouldn't necessarily be opposed if my significant other was the primary caretaker.


    The question of children is very, very important, as anything that affects one's lifestyle is. If two people don't have a compatible view of what their life will be like in 10 years, the relationship isn't going to be successful.
  • syringesofglitter_x@xanga

    Being an adopted child myself, it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me at all if my future husband wanted to only adopt children. I honestly wouldn't care if we had only biological children, only adopted children or a mix. Right now, I can't even see myself having kids adopted or biological.


    It's tricky to say if this woman made the "right call" because it's such a personal call to make. I feel like she did it for her own personal reasons [no matter how screwed up others may think or not think they are] therefore how anyone really sees her decision is irrelevant. 
  • Digital_Angel21@xanga

    @AmorVomnia7@xanga - Maybe I'm missing a point being made, but can't you just use a surrogate (instead of an artificial womb)?

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