Wednesday, 09 May 2012

  • North Carolina Bans Same-Sex Marriage: A Closer Look


    Homosexuals are so evil that they just had to do it again. This time, it was a constitutional amendment denying same-sex couples the right to obtain a marriage license, thus denying them benefits that opposite-sex couples benefit from. It was a strategic move to ensure that the already illegal same-sex marriages would be safe from an overturn by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals much like what happened in California with Proposition 8.

    It was a preemptive move that makes overturning the amendment difficult, unlike California where the Supreme Court previously ruled same-sex marriages to be constitutional and legal through In re Marriage Cases in 2008. In that specific case, the amendment was overruled because it violated the Equal Protection Clause which says, "No state shall ... deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."Basically, rights already given to a group of people cannot be taken away.

    What's interesting is that Equal Clause Protection is part of the Fourteenth Amendment, thus bringing up the question: Wouldn't Amendment One be unconstitutional then? As mentioned, this argument hits a snag because same-sex marriages were already illegal in North Carolina, and the vote on the amendment goes in favor of the majority, which I believe brings up a strong case against pure Democracy. Majority rule doesn't always guarantee positive changes, especially when the majority is stupid as fuck. This is why education is important.

    Amendment One was passed on Tuesday with a wide margin of 61%-39% in favor of the Christian right and counties with an African American majority. Other political motivations may include the Neo-Conservative push to win NC in the upcoming election, since it's a swing state. For this reason, it's interesting to note that pro-Obama counties are voting in favor of a more Christian Right belief that marriage is an institution which should be regulated at the state and Federal levels.

    The amendment also bars the recognition of civil unions when it states, "Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State." The wording makes it so that even civil unions between a man and woman are prohibited. Amendment One will have varying effects not limited to the same-sex marriage ban.

    It's interesting to note that marriage licenses were first used after the civil war in order to prevent interracial marriages. This speaks volumes.

    One man studying at Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary in Wake Forest thinks the amendment is helpful in clarifying the definition of marriage. "I'm a born-again Christian, and I just believe the Bible is clear that marriage is for one man and one woman," he said. "It doesn't mean that anybody's less equal than anybody else. I just think that marriage is one man and one woman." He fails to realize that there's no equality when only opposite-sex partners are given benefits.

    Some will say, "Well, if you don't like it, go to a different fag-loving state." This isn't a solution. In fact, government should get out of the business of marriage entirely. We don't need the state or federal government regulating marriage. Our liberties are stripped away when we can't make autonomous decisions which have no effect on the lives of others. If we're going to allow this though, benefits should be equal whether that means benefits for all, or none.

    Regarding the issue of tax laws already being embedded as well as differing between married couples and those who aren't, it's clear we either need to get rid of or reform the tax code.

    No one should be imposing their personal beliefs upon others, and marriage should be relegated to either a church or by private contract depending on your views. The notion that some form of authority should be allowed to decide who we marry is tyranny, plain and simple. It's an abuse of power that limits our personal liberties and supports big government. You define your marriage, not anyone else.

    A recent Gallup poll suggests that the American public is split on the issue of gay marriage. Fifty percent of Americans are in favor, while forty-eight percent say that marriage is only between a man and a woman. The favorability slightly declined from 2011 which was the first time gay marriage was palatable to most according to Gallup polls. If the trend is any indication, there's plenty of positive news to be had despite the results in North Carolina.

    As Thomas Jefferson once said, "Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."

     

    What are your thoughts on the outcome in North Carolina? Do you believe government should get out of the business of marriage? Do you support gay marriage?

    Sincerely,
    Nunez Love Doctor

    Certified with a PhD in The Study of Mental Midgetry and The Stupidity of Partisanship.

Comments (44)

  • lydialynn2012@momaroo

    As a North Carolina resident, I was appalled at the hate-filled speech that some of the protestors against amendment one had. It's hard to expect tolerance in return for spite.

  • decodexmexkc@xanga

    Hey! From NC here, and this has been a HUGE deal around where I live lately. Unfortunately I can't vote yet, so I couldn't do anything about it. Everyone's been talking about it, and I am definitely NOT for the Amendment. But it is more than a "ban on same sex marriage". It also means that if you aren't married and there is domestic violence, they won't do anything about it. There's other aspects to it as well which I don't know enough about to go into detail. It does upset me that so many people were for it, but this is the "bible-belt" and many people didn't know enough about it to correctly make a good decision. 

  • Erika_Steele@xanga

    Hooray for allow one's religious views  to be used to determine how other people should be treated and how the government should be run....as long as Christians are doing the decision making and oppression, it is A-OKAY!

    By the way, I wouldn't be surprised if the other Southern US states don't follow suit.

  • Xbeautifully_broken_downX@xanga

    This is so surreal to me because it is so close to home. Yesterday was a sad day for NC, but we are still here, we're still fighting. This won't go away just because they want it to...all this amendment proves is that people have NO CLUE what the purpose of government is AND that manipulation and fear will win if you allow it to. It also proves that these people who pushed for A1 are scared. And they should be. Amendment One doesn't SAVE marriage; it cheapens it.


    I will be fighting to repeal this amendment, because this is my home; my state, and I and everyone else should be allowed to live their life with freedom and liberty in the pursuit of happiness.











  • Logomachy@xanga

    The only thing the State should do is attend to issues of property and kids if marriage fails. Once this admins trivia is out of the way the State should bow out of the marriage business. Those who want to be married should find a church or temple or ashram or wiccan circle etc etc etc.  These places and only these places can decide on the rules of marriage. If you don't like the rules pick another church or ashram.  


    Yes I am in favor of two or more consenting adults of whatever gender getting married if this is what they wish. 
  • skyybabi@xanga

    I am in no way saying this is right, let's just get this out of the way first. I am totally for same-sex couples KEEPING THEIR RIGHT TO GET MARRIED.
    I feel I need to explain what I just said, the language and capitalization I used particularly. I don't believe in "gay-marriage". There is no such thing. There is just marriage, plain and simple. Just because someone is gay, doesn't mean they do gay things. They don't "gay park", "gay go to the store", or eat a "gay breakfast". No. Respectively, they park, they go get groceries, and they eat breakfast. So why does it need to be "gay marriage"? Now that that's cleared up...
    I think the government needs to remove itself from people's lives more. The problem with that is, the general public wants their lives regulated down to the last and tiniest detail. You simply cannot have it both ways. Either; we make the government step back and let us handle it, or we let the government handle everything and shut up about it.
    That being said, I really REALLY really don't understand why everyone is so surprised that this passed in NC. As a former NC resident, I can definitely understand why it passed. NC is after all, part of the bible belt. As unfair as this is, this is the way it's going to be, for awhile to come. I'm not saying don't fight, far from it. I'm just saying, be realistic about the outcomes.
    Instead of screaming about how wrong it is, acknowledge the fact that it is a loss and look for ways to start overturning it. 
    ALSO: If you live in North Carolina, and you didn't get out and vote, shut up. You have no room to complain in my book, gay or straight. If you don't take advantage of your right to vote, then you're just as bad as the people who voted for this amendment. You have your rights here, plain and simple, and you just want to complain about how everyone is taking other people's right away? You're helping! By not voting, you're helping! Get out, get educated about the issues and vote! Nothing is going to change, the bible belt is still going to be controlled by extremely conservative Christian views unless you do something.
    I saw this earlier today and just couldn't resist responding to it:
    "The passing of Amendment One is not a display of Rebulicans being victorious over Democrats, but rather God's law being final in any situation."
    EXCUSE YOU? I understand everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that's fine and freaking hunky dory. Everyone knows I stand behind all our men and women who fight for our rights and our freedoms. HOWEVER, kindly step back and remove your religion from my government and laws. >.> It's not supposed to be there in the first place.
    I swear I'm done after this, but I feel this needs to be said... I love America. I do. I love living here in this country. I love the fact that we have so many freedoms. I hate the fact that they're being taken away from people. I hate the fact that people are using religion as an excuse to take away the freedoms we've fought so hard for. I don't hate America or Americans. I hate what they do.

  • zoetherat@xanga

    This is a generational issue, and in the long run the social conservatives are on the losing side. I remember back when i was in high school, there was a huge controversy over civil unions in liberal Vermont. Now the controversy is over gay marriage in the bible belt states. That alone shows how much the debate has shifted as the conservative position weakens. 

  • freetheleafcutterants@xanga

    @skyybabi@xanga - The "gay parking" and "gay breakfast" argument is catchy, but irrelevant because marriage is related to sexual identity. Parking and breakfast are not.


    That said, I am disappointed that the amendment passed, and I was disappointed when my home state (SC) passed a similar amendment several years ago.
  • skyybabi@xanga

    @freetheleafcutterants@xanga - You have a point, but I'm sticking to mine. Thank you for that though, it's always nice to hear other people's intelligent opposing opinions. :)

    @Lynn Males@facebook -  While I agree with the sentiment, and I'm not particularly fond of organized religion myself... You are just plain rude. You are no better than the people wanting to take away people's rights and freedoms. Just because people don't agree with your views on everything, doesn't mean they don't have the right to their opinions. Religion has grown to the size that it is for a reason, it's not simply going to disappear overnight. It's wrong. People have the right to their religions, you have no right to take that away from anyone just because you don't agree with it.

  • bloggicus_maximus@xanga

    @Lynn Males@facebook - Take a deep breath, Lynn. It's going to be okay.

  • Amerindian666@xanga
  • skyybabi@xanga

    @Lynn Males@facebook - I don't agree. But you're entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else.
    There are also quite a few people who say that homosexuality is a mental illness as well. I don't agree with that either. But there you go I guess, ignorance all around.

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    Here is the text of Amendment 1:

    "Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts."

    It does not take away any rights from gays. It merely preserves the definition of marriage to be what it always has been.

  • skyybabi@xanga

    @PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga - The difference is, this is now an amendment as opposed to a law. An amendment is much more difficult to remove in the future.

  • PrisonerxOfxLove@xanga

    @skyybabi@xanga - The people of North Carolina are protecting themselves from corrupt judges who disenfranchise them.

    And the amendment is such that no rights are taken from gays.

    This entire issue is bogus. Gays can live together, have families and make such an association a legal contract.

    It just won't be called marriage.

  • Chibi_Son_Gokou@xanga

    The government should get out of everyone's business.  It is meant to protect; not oppress.

  • notinwonderlandanymore@xanga

    Okay, so they're against two happy people of the same sex getting married, but they don't openly criticise 72 hour marriages, cheating, divorce and people like Kim Kardashian who marry for money and attention? lol okay then.

  • aftershejumped@xanga

    This makes me incredibly sad because my friend, who is gay, is moving to North Carolina this summer for graduate school and she was really afraid of this happening. 

  • Amerindian666@xanga

    @daydreams_nightmares@xanga - Kim Kardashian is a Christian. She was born to an Armenian American Orthodox Christian Father and a Catholic Scottish-Dutch American mother but that "doesn't mean"  she herself is truly Christian!

    Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_religion_is_Kim_Kardashian#ixzz1uSNsdm15

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  • anonymous

    @Lynn Males@facebook - I agree with skyy saying you're rude. Who the hell are YOU to ban religious people? My family is religious while at the same time they don't oppose the gay community. In fact we have/had close family friends who are gay. I just stopped being with him because he's a jerk who's full of himself.  I take great offense to what you say especially when you constantly lump people together as a whole. There is another way of getting your opinion across: through being humble. Two arrogant attitudes don't make a right that is for damn sure and is always my motto.

  • AncoraImparo@xanga

    Thank god I can still marry my first cousin.

  • anonymous

    @Lynn Males@facebook - It is a lose lose situation either way. So why is the government allowed to control personal religious beliefs but the religious beliefs get bashed by ignorant people like you.  That's why religion is about faith and believing not about scientific proof. You need to step off your soapbox  because obviously you don't know the basic concept about religion.  If it was about proving something existed it would not be related to religion.

  • anonymous

    @Lynn Males@facebook - I agree with you. I honestly can't understand why anyone is religious. It's obviously a load of bullshit. People keep telling me I should "respect" other people's beliefs, but honestly, why should I when I feel that their beliefs are completely ridiculous?

  • anonymous

    @Freya@Lynn Males@facebook -  - And I think it's ridiculous that people like you call other people ridiculous just because there's no "proof" of something. If you need things to be laid out for you then you must be a very boring person. No one's going to stop believing in their religion over ignorant people like you.  They can think what they want. Just like you can.  You don't own anyone.

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