Wednesday, 25 April 2012

  • A Married Woman is Sabotaging My Relationship

    I am a divorced woman in my 40's. About 6 months after my separation, I began seeing a man who had been a friend of mine for 10 years. He is wonderful and I love and trust him.

    He is friends with a woman who is married and calls him frequently and has stopped by his house numerous times. Her husband has no idea that she has been "friends" with my guy for the last 10-12 years and that at one time about 8 years ago, they had contemplated an affair. While it never escalated to that level, she has been carrying on an emotional affair with him ever since (or so it seems to me).

    When she learned about my marital split, she approached my guy...let's call him "Steve." She immediately brought the subject of my separation up and was quite harsh in her judgment of me to him, and jumped to the defense of my ex-husband. 

    After Steve and I began seeing one another, he told her that he was excited to be moving into a relationship with me, that he saw me as the "love of his life" and the one for him. She was incredulous and repeated back to him, "The One? What to you mean The One?" She then went on to say that if he felt that way about me, she was afraid that they wouldn't be able to be friends anymore. To which he said "that would never happen, my S/O accepts that we are friends." And, I did accept it at the time, but numerous things have happened since we've been together which have caused me to question her motivations.


    Very early in our relationship, I asked him what the nature of their friendship was. I always felt that her body language toward him was very flirtatious and thought it odd that she always went, and continues to go out of her way to create an image of the two of them as being very tight. It is clear that she wants people to think that she is his first and foremost confidant and that she is all-knowing when it comes to him.

    Initially, she was calling him about 3-4 times per week (when her husband left the house), and would end messages with "Love you!"  The shit hit the fan when she stopped over at his house one afternoon last fall. I let Steve know that it really bothered me that a married woman who hides their relationship from her husband, and who clearly does not want me in his life, has the nerve to cross that boundary, and that I felt very disrespected by both of them. I was especially angry at him for not setting boundaries to begin with. To his credit, he did tell her she could not come to his home again which infuriated her.

    In an effort to straighten the situation, I suggested that things would be more comfortable if she and I could get to know one another individually. So, I extended an invitation to get together for coffee. She said no. During that conversation, she told me I needed to be more secure in my relationship, and that I was an unapproachable person.

    She told me that she had to tell HIM that if it came to making a choice between us, he had to choose his partner (implying that he would not have concluded that on his own). Basically, she ranted on about my insecurity in an extraordinarily condescending manner. Regrettably, I did not defend myself during that conversation because I wanted to make this an agreeable situation for everyone and knew that arguing wouldn't help matters.

    Then, as my relationship with Steve flourished (he was demonstrative with his affection toward me in her presence) and he continued to speak highly of me to her, she stopped acting so superior and began calling a bit less (once or twice per week).

    Since then, things have been tense, at best. Steve and I have talked about this numerous times, it makes us both crazy. For him because he knows his feelings for her are not romantic in nature and he doesn't want to hurt her by ending their friendship. He genuinely feels bad for her life circumstances, and quite frankly, I do too. For me it is frustrating because their relationship is exclusive of me.

    She only calls when she knows I won't be there and she confides all her woes to him and expects him not to betray her confidences to me. Here's the thing, I don't need to know her most personal issues, it is none of my business, but I resent that when he tells me she called, the conversation ends there. I say how is she and he says "good." That's it. I am not sure if I feel more angry at her for censoring what he can tell me or him for enabling the exclusivity of the friendship by keeping her confidences. I just know that it feels soooo uncomfortable and almost impossible to fathom living with indefinitely.

    Every other time he speaks with a friend (male or female), they ALWAYS ask how I am and insist that he tell me hi for them etc. In other words, it is a NORMAL relationship in which those friends are not acting in their own self-interest and are instead, very happy for him and the happiness he has found. This is important to note, NONE of his other female friendships bother me in the least. If anything, I love that he is so sensitive, validating and reassuring. Just wish he'd table it with the woman who would like to undermine me in his life.

    In the most recent conversation they had, he told her that their friendship, which is exclusive of me, cannot go on this way and that she needs to accept me in his life. She says she understands this and that it will all work out in time. The thing is, how? Nothing changes.

    I guess at this point I'm wondering, should I continue to move forward with this relationship knowing that she will not go away, and that it will be a constant bone of contention? Or do I leave the man that I really love to escape how upsetting the whole thing is?

    That he doesn't see how profoundly this is sabotaging our relationship and is not "manning up" on this one leaves me feeling somewhat betrayed.

Comments (64)

  • T3hZ10n@xanga
  • xXxlovelylollipop@xanga

    Maybe they're indeed very close and they care about each other. This is not only within romantic relationships but as a general rule you can't decide how people realte to others. I do see a bit of insecurity, I mean if he has no romantic interest on her and they're just friends, what's wrong with giving them the chance to continue with their friendship witout all the manipulative emotional black mail?

  • xxfl1@xanga

    if i were you i wouldn't be cool with this at all. i cant stand people like that and id say either he needs to cut off all contact with her and make it clear that they're done or you're over because living in that life is not something i would enjoy doing and we all know shes obsessed with him and they're not "friends"

    also the fact that he didn't end things with her sooner is a sign of disrespect to me. and the fact that he let this continue for so long when she is married and is clearly interested in him i would also find to be an issue. low quality guy? thats what id also consider.

    he might not be worth it- /up to standard. so you could totally continue the relationship if he's willing to dump his "friend" or else just dump it all together.

  • gettin_skinnay@xanga
  • Thayer25_84@xanga

    @xXxlovelylollipop@xanga - I don't really see where this woman is blackmailing the woman in the relationship with the guy but the woman friend that insists on not respecting the woman he is with in the relationship.  The friend needs to back off in my opinion.  I fully am behind the woman writing this.  If a woman friend of mine was pulling and I quote "this bullshit" then she's not a friend and is clearly trying to undermine this woman's relationship with the guy.  Friend or not you don't do that, period.  It's called RESPECT.

  • Thayer25_84@xanga

    And to be fair is I found out a guy friend of the woman I'm with was doing this.  The shit would hit the fan and I'd make it very clear how I felt about it.  Plus the woman in the entry trying to undermine is married.  If she's so damn miserable, get divorced and find someone else instead of trying to be a whore and mess up another relationship just to be with that guy.

  • TiredSoVeryTired@xanga

    Run! Run as fast as you can!  Why the hell should you put up with such bullshit from another woman?  She is not the mother of his children.  She is not his sister.  She is not his mother.  What does he really owe her? 

    Friendships end just like romantic relationships.  It doesn't sound like she respects any boundaries and that's because she's hot for him but knows he doesn't want her.  She has every hope and intention of sneaking in and grabbing him up, if she ever can!  She will play nice-nice for as long as can, otherwise she would have gone out for coffee with you!  Run and good luck!!

  • TiredSoVeryTired@xanga

    @xxfl1@xanga - He enjoys the attention she pays him.

  • bluepillorredpill@xanga

    Like you said he's probably scared to lose his friendship with her but if he plans on making you his #1 woman or if he's made it clear that you are he needs to seriously man up and let her know how it's got to be.  From what your saying she sounds like she's trying to manipulate him and his emotions quite a bit, and besides...she's married!  You're not saying that they can't be friends but definitely let him know the way she's treating or in this case she doesn't respect your and his relationship and it's bothering you and he should take your feelings on this issue into consideration way more seriously than her feelings.  She has husband already, she needs to deal with and make the best out of that relationship with the man she already has.

    If he doesn't do anything, get ready to move on.

  • Thayer25_84@xanga

    @bluepillorredpill@xanga - Damn straight.  Like I said.  Kick that whore to the curb and keep his woman that he's with first above anything else.

  • anonymous

    The way I see it if your guy wanted to be with that woman, he would have already tried to be with her before you considering their potential affairs.  If she lets him use her as a side piece she doesn't have very much self esteem.

  • sorority_girl86@xanga

    If he really thinks you're The One, then he should have NO problem telling the other woman to back the hell off. He should be understanding of your feelings and how rude this woman is to you. Ask him, if you had a male friend who did this with you, would he be so accepting, so understanding of what was going on?
    Personally, I would invite both her and her husband out for a dinner, make it obvious that you and Steve are very much together, and allow her to have the understanding that, hello, she is married and her behavior is inappropriate.
    Not to mention that if they contemplated an affair, no matter how many years ago, she may be willing to try once again. And do you really want your guy to be hanging out with a woman who wants to get it on with him?
    Ultimatums always end badly, instead I would explain to him how you feel, how it hurts you and why you feel so insecure about their relationship. And if he isn't willing to change their friendship to something more acceptable, I would leave.

    Or you could always invite her over using his phone, and have her show up when you two are naked, sexing it up in the living room. That should do the trick as well.

  • atypicalindividual@xanga

    @T3hZ10n@xanga - Here here.  I concur full-heartedly with this statement.

    Obviously, he realizes how you feel about the situation, and it seems like he just wants to be able to please both you as his lover and her as his friend.  Him being anything less than 100% straightforward and hard about you on her won't resolve anything, but his actions regarding not allowing her to come over show that he does truly care for your relationship with him.

  • xXxlovelylollipop@xanga

    @Thayer25_84@xanga - I just think that if the man doesn't want to cut the friendship maybe she could try to give them the chance to be friends, after all she never said he's cheating or something. If she push him to end the friendship I think she'll be disrespecting him as she doesn't let him pick his own friends. I don't think a controlling take would be positive to her but hey that's just my opinion.   She doesn't have a relationship with her so the "female frined" is out of the table, she has to deal with this only with her partner and I don't think forcing him to break the friendship would add much to the couple in the trust and respect departament.

  • LKJSlain@xanga

    You need to literally tell him, "It's her or me," and be firm on it, and stand your ground regardless of what decision he makes.

    Seriously, this is ridiculous.

    You sound level headed if you truly don't have a problem with other female friends of his. But here's the truth... Even if people are NOT interested in "being together that way" ... the more time that they get "alone" together, the more emotional they can become and the more the door to "temptation" opens. Even if they haven't really seen one another that way before.

    Let me be blunt. YOUR MAN HAS NO BUSINESS BEING THIS WOMANS MORAL SUPPORT... That's what counseling and girlfriends are for and MAYBE a single man if the other woman is interested in dating him, (the single man I mean) etc. But, if he's with you, then this is positively wrong.

    And if someone doesn't see it as wrong, it STILL is, because if it makes you uncomfortable, jealous, hurt, or any of those things, then it is wrong and poisoning to your relationship.

    Honestly, first, I'd call the husband and tell him EVERYTHING that she's been doing with him (Btw, why isn't her HUSBAND her moral support? hmmm?) Next, I'd tell both of them this is what has been done and that now, their relationship is done or you're leaving end story.

    All of this "sneaking around" does NOT sell well for a working relationship. PERIOD.

    TRUE friends at least care for the other half, and respect them. End story.

  • ShamrockLover@xanga

    I think the ball is in his court....he needs to man up like you say.  Obviously he's getting something out of that friendship...i'm sure she's fawning all over him and he secretly loves it.  I don't necessarily think that they should completely end the friendship, but there is no need for them to be talking on the phone.  She has a husband and friends for that.....there are MILLIONS of people she can be friends with and that one person doesn't need to be your man.  And if they see each other, you need to be there every single time.  The fact that she's married and hiding this from her own husband says a lot.  I'm sure he just doesn't want to hurt her feelings, but this is jeopardizing your relationship with him, so things need to change.  Have an honest conversation with him.  He needs to just ignore her phone calls and maybe every few months invite her out to lunch with you.  He needs to have contact with her on HIS terms not hers.  Opposite sex close friendships rarely work.  She needs more girl friends, but if he isn't clear with her that things are changing and then doesn't follow through, she has no reason to stop calling.  He must establish clear boundaries and stick to them.  And if he claims he needs her friendship, then drop him fast.  

  • LoveeeLikeASunset@xanga

    She's a disrespectful little bitch! But it sounds like your man is trustworthy, just a bit of a wuss. And she calls you insecure? She's the jealous one who can't move on. Cheating whore. You shouldn't let it affect your relationship but you should definitely tell her off and try to shut her up.

  • MistyEyes22@xanga

    @LKJSlain@xanga - <~~~~~~~~~ What she said. word for word!

  • Thayer25_84@xanga

    @xXxlovelylollipop@xanga - Yeah that did sound a bit cut and dry on my part.  I mean he sounds trustworthy and all.  She just doesn't sound trustworthy at all is what I'm saying.

  • MistyEyes22@xanga

    @MistyEyes22@xanga - one more thing... I would love to have some bitch try and get that way with me.... I would rip a fucking hole in her heart.

  • MrTrololo@xanga

    He has to man up and tell her to get lost. If he won't laters. That;s my take.

  • Somefishytales@xanga

    Well now,this is a first for me to comment on datingish or even come here lol.I haven't had to worry about dating in over 32 years and hope I never have to again.


    To the point.If this guy REALLY loves you he should forsake all other women.Sorry,I don't care what anyone says,a man and woman friendship is NOT the same as a man to man or woman to woman friendship,its impossible.(I'm not including homosexuality,I will never understand that thinking) If a man loves a woman his eyes are on her only.He may flirt from time to time,I'm guilty of that but I draw a line at it now.But she KNOWS without a doubt and he shows her she is the love of his life.If this guy(Steve) says he doesn't want to hurt this other lady,thats bull,sorry,thats how I see it.He just doesn't want to cut ties with someone he thinks he might be interested in if SHE were to get a divorce.Like many have said here,Steve needs to man up.If he doesn't now he won't later.I feel sorry for that other lady's husband myself.Thats just wrong,if he is mistreating her she needs to deal with him,not ruin someone elses relationship.She needs to ditch her selfishness.

  • Orlei@xanga

    If he cares about you that much and you worry what this lady can do to your relationship, then tell him to tell her to beat it. Simple as that, you'll know whether he has a thing for her or not depending on what he'll do

  • DontTurnAway@xanga

    This really sucks because we all know the ultimatum "it's me or her" thing won't go down very well. But I think you're mature enough to word it in such a way that makes you look like the good guy.

    Like you said, it's an exclusive relationship. This is not cool, at all. 

  • P0RCELA1N_D0LL@xanga

    I get jealous even when my guy talks to his guy friends basically, any attention that he gives to anyone but me, is forbidden. he willingly revolved his world around me though I have his heart on lockdown he loves being possessed by me because despite my craziness, he said that I make him feel important I'm okay with that and so is he. he hates people in general, so I don't think I'm taking away anyone that he would care to keep in his life lol it all just flows somehow. it sounds like your guy isn't crazy in love with you to abandon his entire life. I don't think it is crazy but romantic that he loves how madly jealous I get because he is mine anyway, I didn't give my guy an ultimatum, he just saw how annoyed and mad I was and cut those bitches out on his own lol that's how psychos fall in love to each thy own.

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