Saturday, 18 February 2012
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State-Sponsored Rape
Virginia's poised to enact ‘State-Sponsored Rape’ law forcing women to be vaginally probed before abortions. Legislator suggests that women who consent to sex also consent to vaginal probing. And I say... what about rape victims. How can they force rape victims to be penetrated again against their will?
The revised criminal definition of rape is “the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object." It is 100% rape as it is legally defined.
Earlier this month, a bill requiring women to receive an ultrasound before they can receive an abortion passed the Virginia senate, and it recently cleared a state house committee with an overwhelming majority. The bill would force most women to undergo a stunningly invasive procedure for no medical reason whatsoever.
An unnamed lawmaker told a fellow Virginia delegate that a woman already consented to being “vaginally penetrated when they got pregnant.”
The state is forcing women to be penetrated with an object against their will in order to obtain a LEGAL medical procedure. I find Virginia's invasion of a woman's right to choose an end run around Roe V. Wade and an invasion of a woman's person!
http://www.arlnow.com/2012/02/14/englin-blasts-gop-bill-for-requiring-vaginal-penetration/
http://hamptonroads.com/2012/02/outrage-virginia-senate
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Datingish is retarded.. yet for some reason their sensationalism leads to a click that to this point has not been retarded.
That being said, you morons. MORONS.. a "vaginal probe" is an ultrasound per vagina, and everyone who is getting an abortion can require one in order to visualize the position of the placenta. EVER HEARD OF PERIPARTUM HEMORRHAGE? How about letting the doctors be doctors and you idiots can continue to spin on your light heads. Yes, I meant to be offensive, because this is offensive spinster garbage, and it got your attention, didn't it?
-M.D., dummy.
i think it's more traumatizing for someone who has already been raped or violated in some other way, but yeah, i do think it fits under the legal definition of rape.
and as for the "a woman already consented to be vaginally penetrated when she got pregnant?" it ignores the realities that not all women consented when they became pregnant, and even if they had, their consent was for that ONE SEXUAL ENCOUNTER and not all following encounters.
it's gross and completely unconstitutional (right to privacy doesn't exist anymore?)
@Servant_of_Allah@xanga - a "vaginal probe" requires penetration. and penetration without consent strips a person of their right to privacy, and is almost akin to not just legally sanctioned but legally required rape.
Some of the logic here doesn't really make sense.
Because she's consented to have sex with a man she's consented to be vaginally probed?
That's like saying ANY woman has EVER had sex. Now ANY man can have sex with her because she's given her consent.
This is so disgusting. What the fuck happened to women's rights? What the fuck is wrong with people?! And yes they consented to fucking SEX not being probed for no reason other than to humiliate them or prevent them from seeking an abortion. I know I keep swearing but this is just seriously FUCKED.
I so agree with this.
They have a valid point, if you can fool around and get pregnant you should have some consequence in my opinion. Instead, the consequences are always targeted at the innocent-- who had no control over what YOU decided to do.
Is this necessary? No, but neither is abortion in general.
Is this good? No, but neither is killing babies.
I'm tired of people who sleeze around all the time getting by scotch-free. It's about time we give people some consequences for their actions and choices where they get to worry about themselves as opposed to not worrying about the life of a "blob of cells". You had sex, you got pregnant, and if you opt to kill the baby I opt for there to be at least some justification, as still unjust as a discomfort is compared to the life of a baby.
I am one of the most feminist people you will ever meet, but I'm definitely aware that as a woman I am entitled to no right of someone else's life. I have the right to MY life, and NOBODY else's, no matter how small or defenseless they may be.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - I love like all of your comments. Just had to tell you that.
@H2O_mElOnGeEk@xanga - Thank you.
@dream_guru5@xanga - You say that as if it is the majority of cases. Because everyone who get's an abortion clearly does it out of concern for the baby's health, even though most people try to get it done as soon as possible . . . which would be before doctors know the health of the fetus.
If anyone here truly cared about the victims in this situation then they wouldn't be playing at this little political circus that's ensued from the original post. Playing revisionist historian and polarizing propagandist don't address the heart of the matter here. It only reveals more of the reason why the problem exists in the first place. Thank you for participating in this social experiment.
Awesome that the first few people to DISAGREE with this post are men.... I'm no man hater but when a male thinks treatment of women is ok..... fucked up to say the least. It's not about politics or religion it is about womens rights and there is only one acceptable position to be: pro- women's rights.
To the men who are so against birth control and abortion why don't we women vote on YOUR birth control. Snip snip.
I don't like that I'm required to get a pap smear before my birth control can be refilled. I'm also not happy that when you have an abnormal pap smear, everyone gets up in arms when you refuse your 5th pap smear in about 7 months. I'm tired of people fiddling in my lady parts. As far as the vaginal probing for an abortion is concerned, it may not be pleasant...but I think people who want the abortion should just suck it up and deal with it if they want to kill the baby that bad. If you're against the law, don't have an abortion. I don't see it as rape, because rape is unwilling penetration. If the woman consents to the abortion and knows that there will be vaginal probing..then she has consented to it, and it is not rape.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - You may call it murder if you like. Putting a name to it doesn't change the fact that the government in this case has overstepped appropriate bounds.
By the same logic of mandating an uncomfortable and unnecessary
pre-abortion procedure, a rectal exam should be mandated on a man before
a prescription for viagra is given in order to "discourage" his
obtaining it in the first place, on the same token that his newly found
sexual prowess might result in "murdered" sperm who were blocked by
contraception, unable to fertilize a sexy egg, and died.
If you're concerned about a fetus' rights, then go ahead and fight for them. Roe v. Wade is a law right now, regardless of how lawmakers feel about it. That law should be challenged for its constitutionality by its opponents, NOT sidestepped with legally-questionable loopholes. Regardless of your opinion on whether this law is 'humane' or not, it is stepping over a woman's personal rights in an unprecedented way. Taking away the mother's liberty by giving liberty to the fetus is
not the right way to go, just as taking away the right to marry from
heterosexuals will not help the homosexual marriage cause; giving rights
to blacks post-slavery shouldn't have meant taking away the liberty of
whites.
People in the government are in no place to demand a medical procedure be done on an individual against her doctor's recommendation, and that's what scares me (and should scare anyone who is concerned about the government abusing its powers). Conservatives always talk about the "slippery slope" deal with issues such as gay marriage. Well in the same way, if a government can mandate what a person does or does not with her body (unprecedented), what (other than individual lawmakers' agendas, which is apt to variability) is legally stopping the government from further overreaching its powers over personal health matters; go ahead and tell her how she is and isn't allowed to give birth, whether she is allowed to use contraception in the first place, etc.
It's funny how, despite this procedure, no men are chastised for their part in creating a soon-to-be "murdered person". Actually I find it amazing that any man has the nerve to even judge this subject in the first place. Idk, maybe you have a uterus we don't know about.
I find it ironic how people are so concerned about giving rights to a nonviable human entity based on philosophical convictions, yet many of them don't care about banning contraception- which is nothing less than the first step in this entity's creation. Without fertilization, your embryo doesn't exist- thus how is the 2-week old embryo any more "important" than the sperm and egg who created it?
And even more painfully ironic is these same 'pro-lifers' have no concern for killing an animal in its natural habitat- they can't even bring themselves to call it "murder". Nor- and much more sickening- exist reservations of eating an animal who has been grown and murdered in an artificial environment, murdered in a factory, for no reason at all, other than 'we love our steak long time, nom nom." If that isn't greed, I don't know what is. Who cares what that animal feels? because god says it's okay to make it suffer. OH OKAY THEN, my empathy is created by a book, not my intrinsic, human principles. No wonder people like that think Atheists can't possibly have any moral values- because yours is completely manifested from a BOOK. Mine is INNATE, I cannot turn it off, and a religion will not create them nor destroy them.
To relate that mini-rant to the main point...
It truly scares me that religious people who go by this principle cannot think for themselves, or-more importantly- FEEL for themselves. The nonviable fetus cannot even feel pain, ANIMALS DO- some more than us. That that is not a major criterion for so-called 'humane' actions is spellbounding, considering the universal acknowledgment among humans of what suffering means. It's like "empathy stops here, because society doesn't care." I'm sorry but I am unable to take the conviction of pro-lifers seriously who at the very least do not detest the slaughtering of innocent creatures.
And even so, your nonviable fetus is not yet at a point of attaining the 'superior/unique' traits of humans in any literal way that make us more worthy of life than other animals (again, only philosophical- 'God created it thereby blablabla', which is not a legitimate argument to use against an existing law in a secular government). If you do not respect animals' desire for the right to live based on standards only humans supposedly possess (which is in many regards untrue, by the by)-i.e. intelligence, compassion, ability to speak-then a 'human' embryo is no more worthy of life than a wild animal, whom according to you isn't worthy of life at all!
Frankly, I'm sick of the hypocrisy.
@Face_Of_Innocence@xanga - Although you do not have the same opinion as me on this matter, I agree with your logic because it is CONSISTENT. You are the only person who has given a rational response to this matter. I totally agree about the pap smears. little fyi: I get mine from the internet ;) not at all hard to do. I'd recommend it to anyone else who detests pap smears.
@svrd04@xanga - I agree with the principle of this comment, but could you please explain what you think is the alternative to 'this political circus?' We are not lawmakers, and most of us are not in the states (yet!) where this procedure is performed.
@immoral_sensei@xanga - That is the point. Guess who passed it? I'll give you a hint: not women.
@Servant_of_Allah@xanga - It is perfectly reasonable that in many cases it is a good idea. That should be recommended/required by the DOCTOR, not the GOVERNMENT. And that is the point. By the way, I love the idea of a doctor calling me a moron. Pretty sure that most of us haven't gone to medical school, and neither have most lawmakers. Where's your practice? I'd love to continue NOT going there.
@DrummingMediocrity@xanga - Each creature has a life span. And that life span begins and ends. When that life span is ended through the action of another creature or a misfortune, we say that that creature has been killed.
Murder applies to human beings terminating the life span of an other human being out of convenience.
Life begins at conception. "Conception" means beginning. Words mean things.
People who believe in murdering the unborn try to change the words. "Murder" becomes "choice" and "beginning" or "conception" which in reality is exact, becomes "arbitrary" and thus, meaningless.
As a result of accepting the meaning of words we can easily determine that abortion is murder of the unborn.
If I wanted to get an abortion, I would take all measures necessary to insure it was in the safest way possible. If that includes an ultrasound through vaginal probing, then I personally don't think it's a big deal. I had to do the same procedure to check if I was pregnant before at a ob-gyn. Many women go through this all the time for a pap-smear.
And I think it is such an insult to compare this to rape. The doctor doing the procedure does NOT have the goal of getting any sexual pleasure out of it.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - Having a vagina is not a prerequisite to having a brain.
Awfully early in the day for being so defensive isn't it dude?
@berrylipstix@xanga - The doctor doing the procedure does NOT have the goal of getting any sexual pleasure out of it.
RAPE IS PRIMARLY ABOUT POWER, CONTROL AND ANGER, not sexual gratification. But don't believe me, do the resesarch.
@DncngINthedark@xanga - Well said.
@DivaJyoti@xanga - That's what the Dog said to you last night, I'm sure.
@Peppermint__Kisses@xanga - You're absolutely right, it's fucked. Virginia needs to rebel, women need to rebel. This is regression to the old days of male rule.
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - go ahead and fail to make a lick of sense.
That's not all that unusual for you.