
There have been a number of posts recently about the idea of "Standards" in dating... combined with the usual percentage of posts where a dater talks about a specific "problem" with their partner/wanna-be partner, and asks the community for a "fix" (Of the problem, ya know, not the other type of fix).
So, how do we get a handle on this standards thing? Don't we need some? After all... the person you are dating might just be CRAZY!
That's a word I see get thrown around a lot, with very little reliable connotation. What does it mean? Forget the DSM, we're talking about common usage and dating here. I have noticed one specific trend...
exes are "crazy" a much higher percentage of the time than future dating prospects. Hmm, given that most people who are dating, or in the market to date, are also the ex of someone, the math there seems a bit suspicious.
Just now, there is a post up on Lovelyish asking if a person, who is not from Britain, but who maintains a British accent, is "cray-cray." I had to put the quotes there, because I'm not 100% sure what that particular phrase means, but I'm going to assume it translates to "crazy." Now, when I think "Crazy," I think of a shiny Jack Nicholson, a clockworking Alex, maybe even twin blondes with a rich daddy. But affecting a particular accent? That's hardly the stuff to even bring up mention of... much less institutionalize a person for. Alright, I said forget the DSM, but let's be frank... the word, in common usage, is pretty meaningless.
In dating, these are some of my favorites... and I really can't make these up,
I've heard people called crazy for all of the following:
-- She wore Blue and Yellow TOGETHER! Crazy!
-- A MALE who owns a Yorkie? That's just crazy.
-- He like, will play computer games for six hours a day. Insane!
-- Did you know his MOTHER cuts his hair? Unbelievable.
-- I heard she went to every Harry Potter movie on opening night. Really? I mean... that's just wrong.
Somebody, please stop the madness!The point is, when it comes to picking our potential partners, our standards tend to go up. And I mean, way up. To the point where relatively minor things become deal-breaking, end-of-the-world catastrophes... sometimes before we've even held a conversation.
A good friend of mine from college refused to date any woman who wore a cross, or any type of religious jewelry. Now, he wasn't a Christian himself, and I understand religion is a complicated thing... but do we really want to write off every person with the wrong type of necklace before they've even spoken a word? What sort of precedent is that setting?
The way I see it, there are two good ways to reel in our standards to acceptable levels. The first is simply a rephrase of the good ol' "
Golden Rule."
---Don't judge others by a standard you would not have yourself be judged by.---Seems pretty straightforward... if you think looks are really important in a partner, then I understand... if you are also a person who puts a lot of effort into looking good, and takes pride in being recognized as such. I have no problem with someone requiring a partner who has an advanced education... provided the person doing the requiring is also on the top side of the erudite scale. However, I will say that I think there are a lot of reasonable daters who follow this advice, and yet still have a problem with having some standards that are preventing them from getting to know people.
So here's the second part... and it is a little more complicated than the first, but stick with me...
---Look at all your opposite-sex friends (or same-sex, if that's what floats your boat). If you can count off reasons why each and every one of them is not "dateable" your standards are unreasonable.---If your friends aren't people that you like, find interesting, and enjoy spending time with, then why are they your friends? Granted, there's a bit more to a serious relationship than that, but if you can check all three of those boxes in the initial stages of a relationship, let me tell you, you are onto something.
It is a bit staggering to me the number of people who "really wish their best friend would find somebody!" but of course they would not possibly consider dating that person themselves. That's a pretty vicious standard there... and a pretty mean one, at that. If you are too good for a person, then why are you friends with them? If you are not good enough for that person... why are they friends with you? If you can come up with a list of reasons why "it just wouldn't work," but still spend four nights a week hanging out with them... maybe you need to do some crossing off of that list.
Now, a quick addendum. I'm not advising people to date their friends. I'm condoning checking your standards by thinking about your friends, and the way you evaluate your relationships with them.
It is easy to pick up the bad standard in phrases like these...
"But she wears too much makeup!"
"Sorry, but I only date guys with convertibles."
"If it's not DD, it's not for me."
"I don't think he has a castle or a horse-drawn carriage..."
But a bit more difficult to find them here...
"But they celebrate Chanukah."
"I think I'd get annoyed with the constant saxophone practice."
"I'm not sure, but I don't think his dad likes me."
"His job just seems really important to him."
Either way, that's a potential relationship not happening, because of a standard that is unreasonable.
HOW unreasonable is a moot issue. There is no "degree" or "scale" here. If you choose not to move forward in a relationship, then it is done. You don't get to "not go forward just a little bit." If you judge a person by a standard, think of it as an all-or-nothing call, bottom of the ninth, two-strikes, and all-that. I think that sort of situation may at least deserve a frank conversation, don't you?
So, tell me...
got any stories of funny standards you have heard? Have a reasonable standard you use, that you can share with others? I didn't particularly address this in my post (maybe you can!), but any advice for people whose standards are too low?
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Hopefully the crazies can be weeded out after 30 seconds of light conversation. Dating is too important not to have an excellent time.
Well, you've already read my views of standards here on Datingish, so I'll just leave it to that.
I'm so crazy. :(
@vividepiphany@xanga - haha that makes two of us!
I don't think people are actually that 'crazy' when it comes to deciding who they date. When there's chemistry, a lot of the silly standards people pretend to have tend to vanish.
Why exactly is it cruel for me to not want to bang my guy friends? They're "just" friends for a reason - I'm not attracted to them, we don't have romantic chemistry, we don't share certain values. I think you misunderstand why people get into relationships. I don't have a checklist that I use every time I meet a guy. I just make friends with people I enjoy hanging out with, and once every couple years, one of those friends has a special something about them that makes me crazy about him. There are hundreds of guys I know, but I only date the guys I have a special chemistry with.
And Crazy = ridiculous, not clinically insane... No need to be all rawr because people think playing 6 hours of video games a day is ridiculous.
There's nothing wrong with standards. If I only like guys with short hair, I'm entitled to that. If I like skinny guys, or fat guys, or guys with chiseled muscles, I'm entitled to that. Why would a girl date a guy if his possession of a small dog, pink car, or tank full of pet slugs turned her off? If you hated it, why would you date a girl with makeup caked on her face or a girl with small boobs? Girls with small boobs don't want to date you, either, if you're going to be disappointed every time she takes off her bra.
Some people may give silly reason for not wanting to date someone, but what they mean is "In general, I don't think it'll work and I'm not into him. Plus there's this crazy thing about them I don't like..." If someone is perfect in every other way, the average person won't mind dealing with tiny dogs or saxophones.
It's hard for me to tell, when I hear people talking the way you describe, if they mean the "crazy" person is not someone they would date, or if they are not dateable at all.
I have guy friends who are not my type for a romance, but I don't consider them undateable period. And sometimes I think that a person's behavior is sorta crazy (in the ridiculous sense) and I actually find that quirky and charming...but I'm a little odd myself.
I've dated people with mental illness as well, that is a reasonable deal breaker, but I have mental illness myself and well, we crazies need love too!
I would call most of what you listed to be preferences and not standards. For example the fact that I might turn down someone who is religious is actually a preference. Whether they're religious or not does not measure how good they would be at being in a relationship. However a standard would be that the person needs to be compatible with at least some of my interests, honest and intelligent etc. A preference can be brushed aside whereas a standard is something that makes or breaks a connection for you.
yeah, the ex is always the crazy one. I don't believe it for a second.
Haha funny...coming home from work today I was pondering how I automatically write off boys with blue eyes, no matter what, pretty much. That's pretty ridiculous.
Hehe, when I was younger one of my best friends said he could not have any chest hair, and he had to be white (she is Asian). Of course, her last boyfriend of like 5 years had chest hair.
Anywhos, yeah, sometimes you just don't like someone, and it's not because of the little things... the little things are just magnified when you don't like them. I know guys who I knew would be perfect boyfriends who I just wasn't attracted to... And vice versa, there were guys who I knew had some pretty big flaws, but I would have dated them because I was attracted to them (or maybe not, depending on the flaw, but it seemed like less of a big deal if there was chemistry... illogical, yes, but still the truth). Sometimes you can't always control that...
That's interesting, I usually think people don't have enough standards in who they date.
The religion thing is completely reasonable. It's a bad idea to date someone whose basic values and philosophy are different from your own.
Crazy can only be determined by the person you are dating. If they think you are crazy, that's their opinion. As for standards, I don't know that you can make standards for dating - whether is be what makes a person crazy, or how soon to say I Love You, or how long you wait to sleep with a person. I have certain standards in a relationship, some of which are more important to me, and some which I'm more lenient on. It just depends on what a person wants...Having standards doesn't make someone crazy...
@LightBlue21@xanga - Definitly agree with this.
Once you fall in love, you forget every standard you had. You'll realize he might be everything you swore to never date, but you just won't care. People who have so many standards, drop their standards the very first second they start feeling attracted to someone.
Thinking back, I always regret dropping my standard. So I do not agree with this post.
I love the crazy ones.
Uh, I don't think not dating someone who wears religious jewelery is a crazy standard at all. I got in a relationship with a Christian, and I'm unaffiliated with any religion, and it's just been hell, no pun intended, when the topic comes up.
My best friend would only date tall guys. When a guy who was her same height asked her out, she almost said no...and now they've been married six years with baby number two on the way. She's glad she didn't say no!
-Katie
@sometimestheycomebackanyway@xanga - It took two dates with one guy to figure out he wasn't the guy for me. First date went well. Second date was like a bad dream....
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