Monday, 19 December 2011
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Virgins are Just as Bad as Murderers?
I was having a conversation with an acquaintance of mine one day and for the sake of this story, let's call him Charlie. Charlie was in his late 20s, tall, handsome, socially-conscious, well-traveled, well-read and by many standards, a catch. The only problem was that he knew it as well! Anyway, as we were talking, he mentioned how disappointed he had been with his last date, which was with a girl we’ll call Vanessa. I, of course, inquired about what had been the source of this apparent disappointment and that’s when pandora’s box opened.
The normally cool and collected Charlie became quite incensed when he told me that during the course of the date, he guessed that Vanessa was a virgin and when he questioned her about it, that’s when she finally fessed up about it. He then went on to criticize her as being ‘naïve’ for thinking that her virginal status would not pose a barrier to holding the attention of a man of his caliber (I told you Charlie was well aware of his attractability!).
It was quite apparent that Charlie found her virginal state to be altogether unacceptable. However, he seemed just as incensed, if not more so, by the fact that Vanessa didn’t reveal that information about herself prior to them going out. I asked him why he was so perturbed that she hadn’t told him immediately. I mean, I do understand that this is an important detail, but it seemed to me, that he could’ve given her a bit of slack. Vanessa having to tell him prior to their first date, as he so adamantly insisted, seemed to be jumping the gun a bit.
To further emphasize his point he declared to me: “Being a virgin is a pertinent piece of information…I mean, woudn’t you want to know immediately if a person who asked you out, for example, had been to prison for being a murderer? It's THAT serious!” After I gave him an incredulous look, he amended his statement and said: “Well maybe a murderer was kind of farfetched, but you get where I’m going with this. I’m sure if you met a guy who had a violent history, you would want to know about it sooner rather than later—my point being, she should’ve told me ASAP!"
I had to keep my eyes from bulging out of my head at the fact that this man had just compared virgins to murderous ex-cons!
Could I understand that he may have felt duped or maybe even misled? Sure, I suppose I could and I sympathize with him to a point, but for the most part, I am a supporter of Vanessa.
Does this mean I support deception? No, of course not. This is so because I don’t necessarily view her not telling him right away as an attempt to deceive him. I know some people will argue that omission is a form of deception and generally, I agree that it's true, but I don’t think it is in this case. In general, we tend to not reveal certain highly personal things about ourselves right off the bat because it is not necessary/relevant at the time, or simply, because it may not presently be the other person’s business.
For argument's sake, if a person were promiscuous, would it be necessary for them to divulge the number of sexual partners they had prior to your first date? I’m sure many of you would answer no to that question. So if that is the case, why would someone in the opposite position—a virgin—need to tell his or her date about their virgin status before the first date?
Please do not misunderstand me—I absolutely agree that it is something that needs to be discussed in a timely fashion, especially if things are progressing rather fast between the two people who are seeing each other. However, it seems a bit premature to have to discuss it before you even decide to go on a date! I mean, who says things will go past a date or two anyway?
If it actually doesn’t end up going anywhere, the fact you’re a virgin thus becomes irrelevant. I’m sure for someone in Vanessa's position, living in these times and in this sex-centered society, it can become a source of anxiety if they are expected to have to continuously tell strangers such a personal detail about themselves as some kind of pre-requisite for a date.
So, if you come across a person you’re interested in dating, who just so happens to be a virgin, do you expect them to let you know right away? If not, when is it a more a suitable time for them to divulge themselves?
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Comments (76)
Sexual history is only important in terms of the risk of STD's. Otherwise, it's really none of his damn business.
Charlie is a lout. Maybe she hated him as soon as he said hello and was trying to get rid of him.
No offense, but your acquaintance friend sounds like a douchebag. How is it any of his business to want this girl to disclose her virginal status to him? They didn't even go on a date at first. Loser.
Sorry, but to simply say that someone is naive and incapable of dating because they are a virgin is ridiculous. I don't think it is something to discuss on a first date, especially when you are not exclusive with each other; it is probably more appropriate when they have been exclusively together for several months (but that's just my opinion). Being a virgin is not the same as being a criminal. If he wants to argue logically, at least come up with a better comparison. Douche move, Charlie.
@QuantumStorm@xanga - Well said!
... You... you
talkto this guy? He sounds like a pompous douche-nozzle. I mean... wow. Just wow. It doesn't even make sense...
It sounds to me like he should've told her right off the bat that he's a pompous asshole who isn't worth her time. Whaaaaat the hell?
You were able to listen to this conversation without laughing. I wouldn't have been able to stop laughing once he said, "a man of his caliber".
Of course I don't expect them to tell me right away.
The very idea is ridiculous!
(To be honest, the first date is awkward enough without immediately bringing sex into it!)
I have no idea whether the guy I am dating is a virgin or not, and he can tell me when he feels comfortable; I am not going to try and pry the information out of him lol.
Seems like you are bewitched by this so called charlie's charms...otherwise, the moment he opened his mouth and spewed out that nonsense, you would have laughed in his face. Instead, he made you doubt yourself and now you are here writing about the incident and trying to validate your opinion.
I went on a few murder sprees before I finally did the deed. Sex saves lives.
All I have to say is that I agree with every other commenter here. I think you need to friend-dump your little pal 'Charlie'. I'm going to keep track of this post just to see what other hilarious comments come up.
The only thing that worries me about a person's sexual history is the way they go about taking care of (interpreting) our current spirits when we *ahem* yeah.
I'm going to go off the subject a little here and share something that I realized while reading this. As a Christian myself watching others, I believe that sometimes Christians who believe in waiting till marriage (which I hope all Christians believe) don't take sex seriously enough and non-Christians that have sex as a norm take it too seriously.
what's wrong with him? LOL
Seriously, I think a girl this days who is willing to be strong enough and not fall by peers pressure or media pressure is such a catch. I think prejudice against virginity is as bad as it was prejudice against no virgins a few years ago. Virginity or the lack of it should be a measurement standard at all.
Quite honestly, your friend sounds like a jerk. Whether or not someone is a virgin shouldn't matter unless you're having sex. Even then, it's only as important as is necessary to provide open communication about sex. Being a virgin doesn't make someone any better or worse in terms of the relationship.
She should have told him. When I start dating someone I always make sure to give them every detail about my personal history, especially all the personal details.
loljk.
137% concured with the first comment! Cuz seriously.... seriously!!!! Pssh.
she's just fine. and he's proof as to why she holds her private issues as private so early in a relationship. it would be good if she doesn't give her virginity to someone so crass.
"i hold value X, anyone who doesn't hold value X is evil and will do things to hurt you."
this mentality has to stop.it is one thing to hold virgins or the sexually adept as superior partners for your personal circumstance. but to get upset over a lack of shared values with a relative stranger...
w/e... tell him to have fun being the lowest common denominator.
Yeah, no one likes Charlie. I hope "Charlie" saw this. Douche bag.
What the fuck? That is information that a person should NOT feel obligated to share unless they are going to have sex. "Charlie" sounds like a complete fuckhead.
Charlie was just sad that his hot date wasn't going to sleep with him. :(
And no one should have to disclose their sexual history before the first date.
This boy sounds terrible, and I say "boy" because he is not now, nor will he likely ever be, a man.
"What the fuck? That is information that a person should NOT feel obligated to share unless they are going to have sex. "Charlie" sounds like a complete fuckhead."
Totally agree. I'm sorry that Charlie and so many other people find virginity to be appalling nowadays. It's not last century to be a virgin you know. He was lucky enough to find something rare in this day in age. What a dummy.