Friday, 25 November 2011
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The "Real" Proposal
My boyfriend and I have been together for several years now and our future is pretty much in stone already. He's living in another country right now, and I'm moving there to be with him. With this move, there's pretty much the understanding that we're going to be with each other forever.
However, what bothers me a little is that he just wants to get married right away and he assumes I'm going to do it. I would do it. But what ever happened to asking nicely?
I developed my little fantasy proposal scene years ago. There's this beautiful bridge not far from my house that I would always drive over alone, and the sunset was so beautiful there that I'd always wish I had a nice boyfriend to share that moment with. The bridge is usually pretty busy because it goes right into town. I always just hoped that whenever someone proposed to me, they'd do it on that bridge, in front of everyone, at sunset. I guess it sounds like a lot, but I just hoped that one day I would find a guy who would want to give me everything that I wanted.
This fantasy obviously isn't going to be fulfilled, because we won't be anywhere close to this place where we'll be living. I love my boyfriend, but I think I deserve a proper proposal nonetheless. We've agreed that we'll get a civil marriage and be done with it. I know we don't have a lot of money to get a big fancy ring or anything, but I feel like asking for someone's hand in marriage is still kind of a big deal and should be treated as such. At least my hand is worth someone asking nicely.
I have agreed to marry him, but whenever he asks me casually, I get a little upset and tell him that he needs to be sweet and do it right. I don't know how to explain to him how important it is to me and how I'd like to have a proposal story. He blows it off like I'm joking and says he knows we're getting married, so what does it matter? I also don't want to have to coach him and tell him what to do.
How can I get my boyfriend to propose to me properly? Am I being unreasonable to demand something romantic? How important is a "real" proposal to you?
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If he's in another country, he can't propose to you properly over the phone. Wait and see what happens when you get to him. If a civil ceremony won't enough for you either speak up now or discuss having a formal ceremony on a visit back to your home. That will be important to you someday. Good luck!
The best way is to sit him down and explain to him just how much it means to you, and make sure he knows it's a serious discussion and not something you are mentioning in passing. Regardless of whether or not he knows your answer, explain to him that you want him to ask and why. If he can't respect that, you'll have to come up with some kind of compromise :(
Rather than trying to tell him how to do it "sweetly and properly" you need to explain to him that this is important. The process of being proposed to, is not something that should be 'assumed' simply because it has been discussed. He knows you love him. You know he loves you. You both know you're going to get married once you move out there to be with him forever... but these are the little moments in transition that's going to stick out in your mind like a splinter in your brain.
You should explain to him that although you both it the marriage and the happily forever is at the corner, it should still be formalized to warrant a proposal. If not at the bridge as you have fantasized over the years, but at least, go to a decent restaurant, even a simple basic wedding band, take your hand, bend at the knee and ask you to marry him. Just because we all know what's going to happen, doesn't that mean it would hurt to formalize it, does it?
If he undermines your request or doesn't understand it, explain to him that even if he doesn't fully comprehend the womanly reasons for you WANTING it, would it hurt for him to do it? IF it does, maybe you should further discuss your relationship and its variables between the two of you before jumping into a life changing experience. IF it doesn't but he thinks it's weird, does it matter? Would it kill him to do it just to see you happier about your decisions? Not really. I'm sure he'll understand.
You know... when my fiance proposed to me, he did it with a way that eradicated all romantic "oh, I'm so in love!" feeling altogether. He just assumed that once he proposed, we'd just move in together into his new apartment (that I helped him pick out), even though I had told him (as my parents have also) that we need to have a formal engagement dinner with our family and closest friends (who are like family) to announce our engagement before we can just living together (my fam is pretty traditional old school). So the day he did it, he was questioning if I just got the ring, we can start moving my stuff in the next day, and when I had told him AGAIN what the deal is, he freaked out. I knew he was going to do it that afternoon because he never freaks out for anything (mr. poker face). It was raining outside, I was cold, so he told me some BS reason to have a tall mug of hot coco and take a walk outside in the drizzle. I had to use the washroom, as we were walking in the rain with a tiny 1 person umbrella, and he kept leading me OUTSIDE and FURTHER away from public washrooms, so I had to ditch him there and RUN to the nearest one. Why? I knew he was going to propose. I had to pee. I didnd't want to do the "I gotta pee" wiggle dance when he's trying to set the mood to have the whole one knee bent thing. But even afterwards, he made jokes the whole time and it wasn't romantic at all, funny even because I KNEW he was going to (no surprise there and I did want to be a bit surprised) and he sucked the romance out of the whole thing.
It rings true that anyone who hears this story hears how silly I was being for ditching him to use the washroom and why he wasn't being adaptable/flexible enough to have a plan B for his rained out picnic that he stayed true (walk in the rain) of... but as memorable and humorous it is, it wasn't what I had dreamt of. I'm not the very "gushy" emotional type when it comes to crying when happy, but I had imagined a romantic "OMG" moment that I can treasure always. Instead, now it's a comical story of how he asked the question... oy!
So just make sure that HE understands that YOU too want to have a romantic moment in time to feel that "OMG,~ ah~ he's going to propose!" feeling because you're a romantic or it's something you want to remember forever. Any time any guy ever asks for my story of the proposal and any tips on how to make her SO happy, I tell them... always have a back up PLAN b just in case the rain or weather interferes with the romance in the air, and don't freak out even if's not the ideal weather. Be prepared, flexible and be charming!! -_-;
I haven't thought about how a guy would propose to me yet, but I mean the love is all that matters anyway right? But then, if he loves you, he will fulfill your wish and desires. Best of luck!
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Why don't you tell him about your fantasy instead of hoping that he'll develop telepathic abilities and probe your mind.
while he's in there he'll probably discover a few more "fantasies" you been workin on in your spare time..isn't that right? get your mind out of the gutter.
Yes you're being unreasonable and pretty immature. Sounds like you don't really want to marry him you just want to be able to tell the story about how you got the perfect proposal and it wouldn't surprise me if you're the kind of woman who puts 95% of her focus on the wedding day instead of the actual marriage.
A "real" proposal isn't important to me at all. In fact, if he asks me "Will you marry me?" in ANY setting, even if we're just laying on the couch, to me that's "real." Getting down on one knee and finding the perfect place to do it seems so lame and cheesy to me. If you keep whining to him about it, sure he'll finally do what you want but just because it'll shut you up. Does that really sound like something "real?"
You [women] don't propose for marriage... yet you're SELFISH about **how** you'll be proposed too?
Wake up from your fairy tale; you are NO princess. Forget about having your stupid story and be happy to marry the person you love; ESPECIALLY, when you are *NOT* the one proposing.
This is just another outdated gender'ed tradition that needs to change.
@LoveeeLikeASunset@xanga - "it wouldn't surprise me if you're the kind of woman who puts 95% of her focus on the wedding day instead of the actual marriage."
Yep! The focus of marriage should be the two lives together and instead -- it's all about the wedding. It's terrible how weddings are constructed -- for women.
He's not psychic. Guys don't take hints. You need to TELL HIM that you want a formal, romantic proposal if that's what you want. However, it seems to me that now you have your little fantasy set up in your head, nothing he can do is going to be good enough because it's not going to be how you imagined it to be, and I mean, do you really want him to propose to you that way because of a demand you've made? How about you let him be himself and propose to you how he wants? If you want an ideal proposal, propose to him!
I think you should reevaluate your priorities. Yes, the decision to get married is a big one, but the proposal itself shouldn't be the focus--it's a short amount of time out of the rest of your life that you two are planning to spend together. Make THAT your priority, because in the long run, the proposal is a minor detail.
...and what's wrong with Gary Larson? That man is a genius!
"I don't know how to explain to him how important it is to me and how I'd like to have a proposal story. He blows it off like I'm joking and says he knows we're getting married, so what does it matter? I also don't want to have to coach him and tell him what to do."
If you can't explain to him how important the proposal is to you, and he's not listening and just blowing you off, don't you think that might be a good indication that other important issues will be hard to talk about and resolve in a way that makes you both happy?
The best way is to sit him down and explain
to him just how much it means to you, and make sure he knows it's a
serious discussion and not something you are mentioning in passing.
Regardless of whether or not he knows your answer, explain to him that
you want him to ask and why. If he can't respect that, you'll have to
come up with some kind of compromise :(
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To everyone that said the proposal isn't important/not the focus/"if you care about the proposal so much you probably only care about the wedding and not the marriage," that isn't necessarily true. Yes, its an outdated gender role thing and should I want to perpetuate it? I don't know. But the fact is that I'm incredibly hopelessly romantic - and I mean that in I will also set up little romantic spontaneous things (like slipping a little note in his pocket saying how much I love him or hand-making his holiday gift) for my guy as much as I want him to do that for me. But when it comes to the proposal... well, you're right, the guy proposes. And I want that to be just as romantic and seemingly spontaneous as the other little things I like to do. It doesn't mean that I'll put all my focus into the wedding or that I don't understand the commitment of marriage and the hard work and dedication and communication and everything else that it takes (though I admit that I won't truly understand until I'm married). It just means that I like things to be on the romantic side and if any future fiance of mine can't understand that and appreciate that about me, then I would be a little upset.
I also think that the bigger issue here is that her fiance isn't listening to her. If its that important to her, he shouldn't blow it off like a joke. There is a serious communication issue here that needs to be addressed, beyond just "omg I want a proper proposal!" If he is blowing off something like the proposal, then who knows what other things he may blow off in the future. Although, I think one thing to consider is that possibly he is blowing it off b/c he wants to throw the OP and then surprise her when she gets to his location... but that is just one possible explanation.
If that's what you REALLY want, then I'd just flat out tell him that you're serious when you say you want it done properly. Tell him that, yes, you will marry him, but you'd like for him to surprise you with the actual proposal to make it feel more "special".
Honestly, though, does it really matter that much? You love him and he loves you - that's obvious - so the most important thing should be that you guys are going to spend the rest of your lives together. If he's a good guy, he shouldn't mind helping you fulfill your fantasy of having a proposal done properly, BUT if you really love him you shouldn't put so much stake in something so minor.
I love my husband more than anything in the world (besides my son) and I didn't get a typical proposal. I picked out my ring and he put in on my finger that night. It didn't make our wedding or marriage anything less than amazing. No, I don't have some awesome story to tell about how we got engaged but I have an amazing marriage to a wonderful man and that is far more important than some story I get to brag about. (not saying you want the proposal for bragging purposes).
Good luck.
you propose to him!
I don't think you're being unreasonable because everyone wants that "real" proposal not just an assumption. For him to understand exactly what you want you'll have to tell him.
guys, she's not asking much, she just wants him to propose with his heart not just a , "marry me" while they're watching a movie. she even said it herself that she understood that they aren't super wealthy so she's not worrying about the ring size. I think you should tell him that you want the proposal to be from THE HEART, not necessarily romantic i guess :)
I had this scene in my head growing up how I wanted to be purposed to. Want to know how it happened? Nothing like I thought I wanted. How it happened was perfect for the type of personalities that me and my husband have. He sent me on a "hot or cold" trip through our room until I found it. He did get on his knee and ask and put it on my finger after. I think you should be grateful he wants to marry you and just tell him you want a formal proposal. You don't need all of that mushy gushy crap, but I do think every engagement should be formally asked. And, we got married at the courthouse. Why spend all that money on this big ceremony when you could use it on a downpayment for a house or buy a car, even two cars for the same amount.
@xXDC_luyouXx - she's moving to another COUNTRY for him. the least he could do is propose...
@Cucumber_Melonhead@xanga - I like your idea. I think I'll take it. Well, in about ten years, anyway.
I don't think you can be particular about HOW you want to be proposed to, but I do think you can let him know it's important to you that you ARE proposed to. It's not a business arrangement, and you don't want it to feel like such. If you want a 'real' wedding, make it happen. I think you will regret not having one, if you are feeling now like you want more than just a civil ceremony. It doesn't have to be huge or cost a ton of money, but it's one of the biggest decisions you'll ever make so I don't think it's unreasonable to want it to feel special. Good luck!
Show him this page. Problem solved.
@LoveeeLikeASunset@xanga - I mean, I'm also a bit of a hopeless romantic--though I wouldn't want a proposal to be on a picturesque little bridge at sunset, I, personally, would like for it to be romantic. But that doesn't mean I'm placing an emphasis on the marriage over the relationship.
I think that's also why people focus so much on weddings, because of the romance factor. That's true for me at least. And that by no means belittles how much emphasis I, or others, put on the actual relationship. Just my two cents.
Thanks for everyone's advice.
@LoveeeLikeASunset@xanga - While I don't think it's really unreasonable or immature, I definitely agree with your last statement. If I whine about it enough, he will do it to shut me up. And that's exactly what I don't want. Maybe I want him to be a different person.
@kor_girl@xanga - That's a cute story. I think it's just the effort part that I want, and it sounds like your guy did.
@written_conversations@xanga - That's kind of my problem, it's like a catch 22. If I don't tell him to do it, he won't do it, but if I tell him to do it, then he's just doing it because I told him. I like the general consensus idea of proposing to him myself. It seems like the only way out of it.
@autotroph - You're correct, I just never want to have the feeling that I missed out on something. And ugh, Gary Larson, he annoys me.
@teawithhoney@xanga - Point taken. I have considered this. This is kind of another underlying question I have...how do I get him to understand the things that are important to me? And if he doesn't, does that mean he isn't worth it?
@Cucumber_Melonhead@xanga - An idea I've taken into consideration now. Thanks.
@MsButterworth311@xanga - That's exactly what I feel like. I don't care HOW he does it, I just want him to do it.
Ah yes, the typical shallow bitch rant where you don't care about the guy at all or if he actually loves you or not, you just want some superficial crap to make you feel "special" to help you pretend you don't realize how shallow and empty you are. How many of these do we really have to get each week?
You're only going to get married once (ideally/hopefully) so unless you speak up and get the proposal you won't you're going to resent it for the rest of your life...