Thursday, 13 October 2011

  • Reply To: I Can’t Stand a Man That Cries

    Recently, there was a post on Datingish where a woman displayed an annoyance and animosity towards her ex boyfriend and him crying. Even going so far as to say as that she was repulsed and disgusted by his behavior. Now, something I don’t believe she properly conveyed was that this was more along the lines of a distaste for emotional abuse, which is what her ex was doing, rather than just simply despising all instances of men crying. Now, I replied to this in favor of the post but received quite a bit of flak; looking back on it I probably could’ve phrased it differently but the feedback was both hilarious and insightful. What I hope to do here is clarify a few matters and provide some sort of mutual understanding or discussion.

    Firstly, let’s agree upon a basic point.

    Men tend to be viewed or associated with logic.

    Women tend to be viewed or associated with emotion.

     

    Unfortunately, when the topic of gender bias or one receiving criticism for excessive emotion (as women often get a lot of flak for) people immediately become heated and instead of actually discussing the matter they just go on an emotional tear. Much like what happened on the commentary board.

    The initial point I want to make is that I am not against people displaying or being emotional. But I will say that there are levels that I would deem to be healthy and others that I would view as unhealthy, the same thing applies to how these emotions are communicated.

    The second point I would like to make is that whether or not people like them, gender biases and stereotypes do exist. Going into a rage or childishly mud-slinging at one another is not going to allow for a common ground of understanding to take place. With that, let’s acknowledge the fact that men are still generally raised with the premise of “Boys don’t cry” whereas with women it’s deemed to be perfectly acceptable and often encouraged to be emotional as well as cry.

    Speaking for the male gender for a moment, I’ll fully acknowledge the fact that we are not always in sync with our emotions nor are we emotionally aware/available; in fact I’d go as far as to say that we aren’t doing nearly enough with regards to that area. I often hear women complain about this, rightfully so, but then they get angry with these men, which just hinders any progress or resolving the issue. Instead of tearing into us could we talk and have a calm discussion instead? And understand that it could take your man awhile before he even starts, much less; get’s the hang of it.

    Speaking to the male gender for a moment, guys it’s perfectly acceptable to have, be, and display emotions besides our usual repertoire (anger, laughter, and lethargic).

    Now, what is and is not a healthy level of emotion and communication? Well obviously are many views to this so I’ll just give two examples.

     

    #1: My mother was always deemed as an “emotional” person. Her brothers, sisters, and parents just said “Oh that’s just the way she is”. I can recall at the age of three where one day we were playing and laughing and then as I spilled something she became enraged and began chastising and yelling at me, then a few minutes later she burst into tears and ran off to seek comfort from my father. Needless to say that I was perplexed at the time and years later it turns out she was clinically depressed and had bipolar disorder.

    #2 My Godfather and his wife have a great marriage. I’ve stayed over their house a number of times and it’s obvious that the two are in sync on almost every level. At the age of five I remember snooping about their house in the wee hours of the morning. I heard them speaking and being the curious pain in the ass that I was, I eavesdropped. At first they talked about the mundane – how was your day, how was work, did you get the mail, etc. But after that there was interesting discussion where the two discussed how they felt lately. It turns out that my spending so much time with them had actually caused my Godfather to become quite upset and depressed because I was a reminder that they didn’t have any children, in fact I could almost swear that I heard him crying for a few seconds. His wife of course comforted him, they talked about it, and she went into how she was feeling lately with regards to that topic, their relationship, and just her as a person.

    Note: I am not saying that all unhealthy forms of emotion/communication are due to a mental disorder.

    Personally speaking, I AM emotionally distant and unavailable and it’s definitely something I need to and am working on because I know it’s unhealthy. So at the moment I’m trying to build friendships by properly communicating how I am feeling rather than just going with the passive aggressive route. And furthermore I’m taking time to pause at moments and actually see and be aware of how I’m feeling; that and meditation on the side.

    So in summary, to both men and women it’s perfectly okay and acceptable to be emotional. I will add though that people need to look at their emotions more often and understand why you’re feeling that way, then communicate that to the proper person (likely your SO). And just because you are in a very emotional state or consider yourself to be an emotional person does not mean you have an excuse for poor behavior, there WILL be consequences for your actions.

    Your thoughts?

Comments (34)

  • malissa1578@xanga

    I have to say I completely agree with this... there are varying levels of acceptable and unacceptable emotion. I to replied to the post you are referring and I am not in favor of over emotion as my ex used his over emotional bs to manipulate and finally it ended our relationship... but I do recognize emotions as a viable means of communication when it is in moderation... screaming and yelling not a good communication style, neither is distance and silence, neither is the over crying and hysterics... it gets you nowhere in communicating the problem, if anything it just sweeps under the rug and makes both parties want to turn away from each other.

  • AmorVomnia7@xanga
  • ShirleyD@xanga
  • rainydays123@xanga
  • lilblucherrygrl@xanga

    Being overly emotional is something that I think goes against self preservation. When the things around you affect your every emotion, especially so negatively, how can you expect to survive? Crying is completely normal and human but there is always a healthy balance to be found. In my lifetime I've been a very cold, numb type of person. But I've also been the person who cried almost every day and let what everyone else did control my emotions. So I know both sides of the spectrum and neither are very helpful mindsets to be in.

  • P0RCELA1N_D0LL@xanga

    I can't stand either gender, who are overly dramatic, or overly cold. I like people, who are expressive when the time calls for it-although some are more sensitive than others and have underlying issues. I've known some drama queens and sometimes it seems like they want to impose their misery onto others so that everyone else feels similarly and can relate to them, so they hope their dramatic emotions becomes contagious and people constantly feel sympathy for them, which gradually emotionally drains me out and I feel this dark vibe when I'm around them, so the ambience tends to be negative. so I can't stand drama queens, not necessarily crying, but people with many antics. they could be genuinely feeling that way but it won't help to get dramatic about it and make people annoyed of them-maybe go to counseling or something to pinpoint the problems that cause them to react so dramatically or the opposite of being in denial or whatever else.

  • prettykay04@xanga
  • Grtt@xanga

    All of the rude (and true) comments on that post could have been easily avoided by a) stating what she actually meant more clearly and b) not making it into a gender thing.

    There's a pretty significant difference between saying I can't stand men who cry because (obviously) men should be men, not acting like a teary-eyed teenage girl watching a sappy romantic comedy, to paraphrase, and saying I can't stand people who are overly dramatic about every little thing.

  • missmerlot@xanga

             I don't know about you guys but this was so touching and accurate it made me cry.

    Oh and yeah, I see what you're saying.

  • FancyFlights@xanga

    I like guys who cry when they have been hurt by someone, and who cry when the movie is touching, and who cry when someone they love has died.  I think it is healthy and natural and honest.

  • SamsamSoeey

    I like a lot of emotion in my relationships, I think it's fundamental to actually loving someone.

  • Hinase@xanga

    This was a much better response than what I read from you and what you responded me from. I'm just confused on where you really lie with this issue because it seems like you condemned it and then suddenly you're in praise of it? That's what I got from it but it's whatever now, really.

    I don't know. You're a strange bed fellow for sure.

    But regardless, your post this time around actually has some great meaning and something I do agree with. 

  • JaydenWolf@xanga

    I'm glad that you took the time to build on the previous post. Communication has been a touchy issue in my marriage from the start, except one could say that we had reverse gender roles. I have to really try to formulate my feelings into words and hope to the gods that they are what I actually meant. I have trouble with it. Sometimes I'll say something I feel without thinking about how the way I phrased it could affect him, even though I didn't mean to take a jab at him at all. Sometimes you have to go back and say "I'm sorry, that came out wrong and I didn't mean to sound so harsh".


    On the topic of the male crying, there's nothing wrong with expressing emotion. There is something wrong with using your "emotions" as a manipulative, abusive tool, as was clearly the situation in previous post. I can sit here and say it's ok all I want, but when it comes down to it no woman wants a bumbling, crying, whiny, over-dramatic husband. A man who cries from stress, or a death, or a parting, is NOT over dramatic. He is human, and this is acceptable. 
  • FileItUnderFelt
  • lyrra_askavi@xanga

    "Recently, there was a post on Datingish where a woman displayed an annoyance and animosity towards her ex boyfriend and him crying".


    We're really stretching the definition of "woman" here, methinks. 
  • superGchik@xanga

    what's wrong with a man that cries?  bc he's a man, he can't cry?  i think that's ridiculous.  i've seen my exes cry in front of me when we argue or fight and that's perfectly fine to me.  i think it's good that he's able to be like that around me.  it means that i mean a lot to him to show his real self to me.

  • drunkdevotchkababy@xanga

    I have seen my partner cry. I have helped him through the hard times, and our relationship issues that made him upset. He has seen me cry, he has seen me become enraged, and over all... we have become closer because of it all. I would not change a thing and sometimes it helps for the man to show that he really does have a wide range of emotions, instead of sticking with those that are "socially acceptable" or that society finds acceptable.
    I don't like over dramatic, over emotional people. But there can be a reason for those things; mental illness like was stated is one of those reasons. And if you're in a relationship with someone who has mental health issues that should probably be discussed at the beginning of the relationship.
    But I guess each to their own. If the author of the blog doesn't like a man with emotions then so be it. She'll find someone that has the emotional scale of a snail and hopefully be happy.
    I haven't read that post, but my thoughts before reading it are probably she has her own issues with being emotional, and have had her own experiences very early on that have pre-determined how she reacts to situations and she's just rolling with it, instead of changing it.

  • bmillerssailor@xanga

    I think you wrote that very well and I tend to agree with everything you had to say.

    I can understand a woman being put off by a man's crying IF he is crying for childish reasons. The same can be said for a man being put off by an overly emotional woman. The difference is, as you stated, most of us are use to women being more open with their emotions and men being more reserved.

    If my husband were to cry over things that I have started crying over (I don't cry THAT often, let me just say), I might be concerned and put off by it. I am willing to admit that I have in the past and will in the future sometimes cry over things that don't necessarily need to be cried over. BUT, I have seen my husband cry on multiple occasions. Not sobbing, just a man cry. Over the thought of his mothers death, when we found out we were pregnant, and now talking about our son being born. I find that EXTREMELY attractive because these are reasonable things for a man to cry over and it lets me know that these events are very important to him.

  • kor_girl@xanga

    any extreme standards for one gender or another is not healthy.


    One of my ex used to be the weeper in our relationship. I've been known to express my emotions very openly and freely. I'm an expressionate person, I cry when I see a touching movie, I cry when I read something I can relate to, I cry when I'm hurt physically or emotionally...


    However, my ex used to cry at the drop of a hat whenever we're discussing about an argumentive situation. He would cry if he thought I was disappointed in him, he would cry if I was upset, and rather than being the person who would seek to comfort ME because of what he has said or done that made me so upset, I'd often have to do that for HIM. Don't get me wrong, I thought it was refreshing to have a man who was equally (if not more) intuned to express his sadness/upsetness without the need to punch something... BUT it was something of an on-going process. I never voiced out my discomfort to his excess weeping, lest it makes him cry even harder, but I think he was probably better off seeing someone to help him treat his self-claimed "depression that runs in the family."


    On the other side of the corner, my fiance doesn't ever really express sadness. He told me that beyond his enfant years, he has never really cried. Thank goodness, he does express anger, upsetness, happiness, etc... by communicating with me, but not once did I witness him crying. After a life time, perhaps I will?


    Anyway, good post.

  • nimbusthedragon@xanga

    This is how the initial post SHOULD HAVE been written. 

  • KzNetty@xanga

    There you go.. a more reasonable post.

  • Xcite_Media@xanga
  • thinsomnia@xanga
    I think people view men crying as an indicator of weakness, more-so than in women because it's almost expected of them to be emotional, like you were saying, that's what they're typically associated with. And because men have to always be manly, and all these other subliminal societal pressures to fit into a certain mold based on your gender.

    Which sucks, because I totally agree with @FancyFlights@xanga , it's healthy every now and then and really shouldn't be looked down upon, regardless of gender. 

  • chadwilly@xanga
  • Bro__oke@xanga

    I hate to see people cry. Not because it makes me angry or digusted but because it makes me sad as well. But I do understand sadness and crying are normal.

  • Sign in to Comment

  • Give eProps (?)

About the Author

  • Guteman91
    • From: Guteman91
    • About Me: Just an insatiably curious 20 year old college student. A constantly sarcastic optimist with a few sprinkles of a hopeless romantic and perhaps a little too cocky for his own good.
    Stats: This Week All Time
    Posts: 0 5
    Views: 0 10713
    Comments: 0 123
    View all posts by Guteman91

Who recommended?