Wednesday, 05 October 2011
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The Ethics of Pick-Up Artistry
There's been a lot of talk about Pick-Up Artistry circulating around Datingish recently, so I thought I'd chip in my two cents on the topic. I'll start with my opinion, and transition into a bit of advice for those who are worried about being unknowingly seduced by a pick-up artist (if I were a girl, I'd be pretty freaked out knowing someone might be playing mind games with me.)
Opinions
I don't like pick-up artistry for two reasons. Firstly, it creates a screening game scenario, in which the pick-up artist chooses to disguise the full extent of his or her intentions in favor of focusing on techniques to evoke attraction. In other words, the pick-up artist has an ineffable advantage over the uninformed target, much like a car salesman using common sales techniques to hype up a vehicle without the consumer inspecting the vehicle him- or herself.
On one hand, the vehicle could be just as the salesman said, leaving a satisfied consumer. On the other hand, the salesperson could be simply playing up the good points of the car, leaving the consumer at a loss. In either scenario, the benefit to the salesperson (or in this case, the pick-up artist) will always be greater than or equal to the benefit the consumer (PUA target) will receive.
Secondly, I just don't feel love or attraction should be compressed into formulas. As an engineering student, I wholeheartedly support the use of science as a tool to increase the efficiency of society. However, we should also consider what we stand to lose in reducing something to a scientific practice. For instance, by encouraging society to rely on pick-up artistry as a means of finding mates, we may reduce the number of successful long-term relationships.
I know that I personally feel much more invested in relationships that developed from a friendship, rather than finding a girl I'm attracted to and wanting a date with them. I'm much more likely to stay in the former relationship than the latter in the long-run. I'm not saying that PUA will necessarily reduce the long-term success of relationships, I'm just listing it as an example of something we should consider could happen.
I previously mentioned in a Datingish comment that I think PUA (specifically, David DeAngelo) is unethical. On second thought, though, it really just depends who's using it. PUA can be a great tool for boosting the confidence of the group of men who are terrified of rejection--a group into which I admittedly fall. However, it can also be used as a tool of manipulation. The difference lies in the intention of the wielder. To those who are using the art to overcome personal scars and gather the confidence to find a mate, all power to you. However, for those who use their advantage to seduce women for one-night flings, I strongly urge you to consider the damage you may be inflicting on the other individual. Don't be that car salesman everyone hates.
Advice
Now, some of you out there may dislike pick-up artistry for different reasons: because you don't want guys (or, more rarely, girls) using it on you. If you walk unarmed into a pick-up artist, chances are you will fall right into their hands. Writer Guteman91 had a good point in his recent article that "your body will betray you." You react naturally to stimuli; this is something you can't easily change, and something you probably shouldn't try to. However, that doesn't mean you're helpless against a pick-up artist. To even out this screening game, I resort to the cardinal rule of personal finance and an unspoken rule of many things in this world: Knowledge is the best protection.
To guard against a pick-up artist, you simply need to become familiar with their techniques. One way to do this is to read the books of different PUAs, but this may not be the best solution, as each pick-up artist suggests a different approach, so you won't really cover all your grounds. Instead, let's observe the fact that all pick-up artistry derives from the art of persuasion: a little thing called Neuro-Linguistic Programming, or NLP. This is basically the science of behaving in a way that makes people trust you, and PUA wouldn't exist without it. Learning the basics of NLP will allow you to pick-up on the patterns that trigger your mind to trust someone, and therefore be more protected when you recognize someone using these patterns.
You can easily learn NLP by picking up a book on the subject, but I personally suggest checking out the NLP for Beginners audio series from NLP Weekly Magazine. It's totally free, and I can attest that it thoroughly covers the basic theory and practice of NLP in an easy-to-understand way. You also will be less inclined to TL;DR it, because you don't have to read anything!
Once you learn to recognize NLP techniques, you'll be able to more effectively realize pick-up artists. It's important to note, though, that just because someone is using PUA doesn't necessarily make them dishonest. Recognizing its use simply allows you to guard yourself against being taken advantage of, and to more carefully assess the situation.
Hope this helps!
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Comments (9)
Ah very good point about trying to make a formula for picking up mates. However, don't hate on people doing pick up artistry because honestly if the girl agrees to get with the artist it's because they want to as well. You're putting all the blame on the pickup artist when it takes two to tango. Plus, you never know when the artist finds the perfect girl through these random encounters. It's definitely a great way to build confidence as well as you said so I say keep on playing the game. It's definitely an exciting experience to practice PUA and it works. Plus, you never know when you might find someone significant from your PUAing.
As much as I used to womanize, I never EVER lied to a woman about my intentions.
@lil_KyungMin@xanga - You make a good point that it does indeed take two to tango. I revert to the car salesman analogy; if someone buys the car, then they obviously want it, so part of the responsibility falls on the consumer. I also recognize, however, that NLP techniques have the potential to severely impact the psychological state of someone, inhibiting their ability to view the situation from all angles, and I think everyone has the right to basic protective measures against this, if they so desire.
It's one of those "with great power comes great responsibility" things. If you practice PUA ethically and with good intentions, then all power to you. Some people may not be so morally inclined, though. To paraphrase Guteman91, in this case, it's like giving a child dynamite.
There's a couple of points I need to make but I'll start with this...
As many others on here have said, myself included, one should only apply the teachings from PUA's as a means of self improvement. By that I mean working on one's self esteem/confidence, appearance, social skills, etc. To follow their teachings and lifestyle LITERALLY is moronic and your going to lead a very lonely and unfulfilled life. You'll get the girls but they'll never stick around.
Continuing on that point, Neil Strauss, Mystery, David DeAngelo, etc. all state outright that what they teach is not meant for relationships. Neil Strauss even goes so far as to say that nothing he learned prepared him for what happens in relationships and David DeAngelo makes it a point not to comment on questions he gets regarding relationships.
Now, on another point, I don't think there's a way of shielding or defending yourself against PUA's. Even if you are one you don't know every master/guru and every technique. The community is constantly changing and constantly generating new methods and material. Just simple advice, don't go to bars and clubs looking for a partner. That should already be obvious and you have been doing that, suffice to say, your an idiot if your expecting anything other than a one night stand.
I will agree that Pick Up Artistry is based upon NLP, but I am very disappointed that you've put it in such a negative light. It's partially about persuading others but a majority of it is self improvement/help. There's dozens of psychologists and TED lecturers that support and utilize the work that is used in NLP, just look at Tony Robbins as an example. NLP is about changing and questioning your belief system, your outlook and view of the world (which is usually negative), and your life as a whole; then moving from there and not only deciding what your goals and desires are but then mapping them out, and then achieving them.
Honestly, I barely even glance at any of the stuff I have on PUA or seduction these days. I get emails and newsletters from David DeAngelo everyday, I archive all of it because I can't be bothered right now. Most of what I read and do is related to NLP, self improvement, and creating/maintaining a positive view and outlook of the world.
@Guteman91 - Please allow me to reiterate that the views in the article reflect my opinion and nothing more. It may be different from yours, but neither of us are wrong. We simply view things in different lights.
With that out of the way, I acknowledge that NLP has many functional uses, one of the greatest of which is self-improvement. That's why I following the NLP for Beginners series in the first place: to improve my confidence and social skills. Like all things, though, NLP has the potential to be dangerous, which is why I stress ethics in this article. As an engineering student, I'm learning every day how to deal with a balance of power and responsibility, so ethics is a very profound topic for me.
@makou3347@xanga - Of course, amicably agree to disagree. I had just wanted to clarify a few things which I thought to have been "fogged over". However, I have to admit that I am a little perplexed as to what dangers you have found with NLP. I've been studying and practicing the teachings in my book (Change Your Life with NLP by Lindsey Agness) for the past month and have yet to find anything that might cause alarm. Thus far it's seemed like very straightforward concepts and topics, all of which lead towards a balanced lifestyle. Perhaps, this is again just simply our differing views clashing. C'est La Vie.
I think if a man wants to know how to be successful in a relationship, a good book to read is The Way of the Superior Man by David Deida. I also heard The Five Love Languages by Gary Chapman is good, but I haven't read that book yet.
I can't vouch for other PUA's. In fact, I don't think I could ever follow anything Mystery does, but I think what David DeAngelo does is for a good cause. Many guys are raised to believe that if they act like pushovers with women they like that they will get said women to fall in love with them. His material also encourages guys to go out and meet women instead of believing they don't have a chance because they don't look like Brad Pitt, don't make enough money, don't drive a nice car, etc. An amazing guy by the name of Sean Stephenson (http://www.timetostand.com) got his dating life together by reading and listening to David DeAngelo and other PUA's, and he even had his own dating program for a while. I don't care what anyone says about PUA's; what I've read has made me feel better and has encouraged me to get this part of my life handled. Right now I'm attending a dating group every Friday night.
@Guteman91 - I'm glad your book emphasizes NLP's potential as a self-help mechanism. In my opinion, this is definitely how it's best used.
As for an example of a negative effect NLP can produce, it's a bit of an extreme (albeit common) case, but false memory syndrome is a serious concern. I first learned about it in the aforementioned NLP for Beginners series. You know how as time flies by, your memories of the past become more broad and the details become foggy? False memory syndrome occurs when those the details of those memories are fabricated from an outside source. Essentially, it's when someone transforms your uncertainty of the past into a false memory that your subconscious accepts. It is commonly inflicted unintentionally by psychotherapeutic professionals such as hypnotists. For instance, if you have someone recall a memory of their childhood and ask them "is your father there with you?", they may imagine the father there and accept that as truth, even if he wasn't there in the actual memory. A better question would be to ask "Is anyone there with you, or are you alone?"
While most cases of false memories are implanted accidentally, it is actually a common practice by unethical lawyers to attempt to implant false memories in witnesses or defendants. Using NLP, this is normally done by "badgering the witness", which is why such behavior is frowned upon in court rooms. You can find a bit more information here.
I don't think false memories are a concern in PUA, but it is an example of how NLP can be used unethically. Like you mentioned in your recent article, even the gurus themselves have admitted that some aspects of PUA can be complicated enough to be psychologically damaging, which is why they have to be careful in deciding how much to teach a student.
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