Wednesday, 03 August 2011

  • When Did Datingish Become a Popularity Contest?

    I'm sure you're all well aware (if not, maybe it's time you moved out from under that rock) of the drama that has been playing out between Datingish intern Jenn and, well, nearly everybody. Jenn's articles are controversial, we all know that. People find her to be "vapid," an "attention hog," "narcissistic," and more. While she does have her supporters, they're definitely not as vocal as the massive group of "haters" behind her.

    Now, my question is: when did it become okay for us to become such bullies? 

    The level of hatred for Jenn by our community is unlike anything I've ever seen before (although I'm not the oldest Xangan ever, and I'm curious if this is part of a pattern). Instead of politely, or even not-so-politely, critiquing Jenn's articles, people feel the need to take it to the next level. I've read comments calling her "ugly," "stupid," a "pig," and plenty more adjectives most people would cringe to hear themselves called. None of these comments have anything to do with Jenn's writing. And this is okay? 

    I admit, I haven't always been a Jenn supporter. At first, I found her writing to be childish, and her topics and comments to be inane. I too posted rude comments about how awful she was and how we'd all like to see her off the site. 

    But when I saw how mean some of these comments were getting, I took a step back and thought about my actions. Anonymity is occasionally one of the advantages of having an online profile. The disadvantage can be that we forget that those other online profiles have feelings.

    I'm sure Jenn has feelings, feelings that are probably hurt when she has to read the comments of strangers bashing her online. If I had so many people calling me stupid, ugly, childish, etc. every day, I would probably cry like a baby every night - and I'm not the super-sensitive type. 

    Xanga and its -ish sites were created to be communities where people could share their thoughts, opinions, and ideas with people. Unless you live under the aforementioned rock, you should be well aware that people have all kinds of different thoughts, opinions, and ideas - it's part of being an individual. If you're looking for homogeneity in that department, you are not on the right website. 

    Jenn doesn't necessarily have the same thoughts, opinions, and ideas as all of us. Does that mean it's okay to treat her like crap and demand that she leave our community? She has as much of a right to be here as any one of us, and being cruel to her to make her go away is really no less than cyber bullying. 

    Our parents raised us right, so why are we incapable of showing basic decency? There's no need to critique Jenn for anything other than her posts; that's just mean. There's no reason to write multiple comments on her posts about how much you hate her and want her to be fired; somehow, I think she's gotten the idea. If you don't like her posts, don't read them/obsessively stalk them. If you disagree with something she says, you can respectfully tell her so, and explain why. 

    At the end of the day, a post that you don't like isn't going to ruin your day/week/month/life. I say let Jenn write what Jenn/Datingish wants to write, and move on with your lives.

Comments (144)

  • i_r_keiko@xanga

    Never having commented on a Jenn article myself, (though I always tune in to see what is said) I will say that the comments started getting more insensitive with time.  When her articles didn't improve in tone or theme, the comments got worse.  That seemed to be the result of the audience feeling "unheard."

    Also, it is easy to be unabashedly rude when you're safely tucked behind your own screen...a problem which I don't think is going to be fixed any time soon, unfortunately.

  • betterdesigned@xanga

    They can write/publish whatever they choose, of course. But, along with that comes our right to rebut with whatever we wish. At the end of the day, Datingish is supposed to be about dealing with relationships, not half of the irrelevant posts they toss in by Jenn and, to be fair, some others. They aren't living up to what they're supposed to be and we should be able to tell them what we think would improve the site.

    What would, in my opinion? Getting rid of a writer that is horribly selfish, doesn't provide any kind of useable advice and cannot be related to by the majority of their readership. That counts for all the writers employed by Datingish, not just the one people are speaking of the most.

    Remember, without readership, Datingish would cease to exist. Maybe if more people just stopped visiting, stopped commenting and stopped submitting posts, they'd be forced to change the way they operate.

    Of course, though, this is just my opinion.

  • TheNotoriousGOD@xanga

    are we seriously still talking about this?  i'm sure you're a sweet girl and everything, but i think you're the one who needs to move on with her life.

  • thisxemergencyx@xanga

    dree people are gonna eat you alive just for writing this

  • too_pretty_to_die@xanga

    @betterdesigned@xanga - this


    sorry, but we want her gone.  what i find appalling is that datingish cares so little about the community's opinion.  i've been a member of a lot of blog communities... if a contributor's material was as disliked as Jenn's is, they would have been gone months ago.   
    bottom line: if datingish doesn't care about our opinions on the material it publishes, why should we care if we hurt someone's feelings?  
  • shimmers

    Really, you're gonna call out the commentors but not what Jenn writes about?  Jenn's always talking about people being ugly in every article she writes about bashing how people look in different scenarios in Italy, on a date at a restaurant or a stripper's club or wherever the hell she goes.  She's always bashing people for looking ugly and you're gonna get on people for calling her ugly back? It's sad how datingish is try to get comments by drama, not a well-written intelligent article.  You know the saying she made her bed and now she's laying (lying) in it.  If she wants to insult people for being ugly and giving them a 3 out of 10.  I do not see what is so wrong in people doing the same to her.

    Like others said, maybe you should move on as well...Jenn's articles haven't thank God been published lately and you're still talking about it.

  • AsylumBlue

    I like these posts because I get to see where certain members of the site stand.

    Are Jenn's posts detrimental to the other articles that go up daily on Datingish? I've recently been trying to put up more content for you guys so there isn't a lack of variety or user-submitted content up on the site.

    Of course, there are only so many articles to choose from, so I always encourage you guys to submit as many pieces as you like. It doesn't have to be as long and boring as my own articles. I mean, you could write a couple of sentences. If the content is interesting, it'll get posted.

    I still have about three or four pages of user-submitted articles to go through, though you have to understand that not everything will get posted. On top of that, I have about six or seven interns submitting content regularly which I need to schedule in somewhere.

    I'm always listening, I don't turn a blind eye on everything. Always feel free to send me a PM about anything ranging from how much you hate my face to complaints about specific users harassing you.

    Thanks,
    -Kenny "Justin" Nunez aka AsylumBlue

  • shimmers

    Furthermore if all those pointless articles of Jenn's and other people's are all datingish is going to ever publish people have the RIGHT to say what they please on it, including the comments that Jenn's defenders get their panties in a twist over.

    I don't see what this has to do with datingish?! I don't see what Jenn has to do with dating either.

  • shimmers

    By the way, seriously...another one of these drama articles? Wasn't chibi's pathetic attempt in being "witty" last week enough?  Maybe if people stop commenting on YOUR articles at all less and less hopefully that'll make the editors open their eyes on what type of articles not to publish.

  • laytexduckie@xanga

    Everyone has a right to express their opinion, regardless of how vulgar it can be. When you submit a post, you accept the risks of being attacked for it and you learn to deal with it. Don't try to censor how people really feel about her articles. 

  • shimmers

    @laytexduckie@xanga - Exactly if people can worship Jenn, people have every right to hate her as well.  I wonder when people will get that concept through their thick skulls.  THe same exact thing could be said for those who worship Jenn: why do you take the time to worship her using the OP's logics?

    A post that you do like isn't going to ruin your day either so I don't see why you should comment on it.

  • adrieell@xanga
  • let_the_right_one_in@xanga

    Jenn, if you're reading this, I just want you to know that I support you <3

  • shimmers

    @let_the_right_one_in@xanga - If you can support her then people can dislike her why publish these pointless articles? LOL.  Stop trying to censor people who dislike her.  If you want her articles to be published be prepared for the criticism and insults that come with it. Otherwise don't be a "writer" because clearly that's not her profession though she tries to make it out to be.  Can't handle the insults? The internet isn't for you.

    You aren't going to accomplish anything productive with these types of articles.

    Also if the writer is insulting most of the readers, the readers have every right to insult the writer. ;)

  • Hinase@xanga

    @laytexduckie@xanga - Yeah but a lot of it does go beyond that. People are being nasty for the hell of it and just personally attacking her and not the article itself. There's a way to express your opinions without going to the realm of personal attacks and people just refuse to do that. They get too emotionally involved to the point it's frightening..like a mob. I don't think everyone here is as perfect as they seem to be either and that kinds of bugs me about how people comment here. It seems like bullying for the worst kind of way, whether or not you believe they deserve it or not. It's still wrong. No one deserves to be bullied. No one should. 

    @shimmers - Two wrongs don't make a right. Just because they insult someone doesn't mean you should. And if they rob a bank, will you do it too? If you know it's wrong and hurtful, will you do it too? Will you be a follower or a leader? There is no justification for any of that behavior even if they do it first. 

  • EpsilonCassiopeiae@xanga

    It's just common courtesy not to say mean things like she's ugly or stupid. You can critique her writing, but don't make it personal. Sure, call the article stupid and whatever you wish. Just don't attack her as a person. It's called cyber-bullying. I don't like her posts at all and don't really care for her myself, but I don't make rude and awful comments aimed at demeaning her.

  • MissPixieGlitter@xanga
    As much as she feels entitled to her worthless drivel, we are entitled to our oinions about it. Why should we ignore content on a community forum when we, the community (and what seems to be a majority), find such content tasteless and inappropriate? Nothing would change anywhere if people simply ignored things they didn't like and silently allowed those things to exist.
  • RazielV@xanga

    I like how anyone who WAS constructively critical, (including myself who was also supportive of Jenn at first) is completely glossed over. Instead you focus on bashing and devaluing those who couldn't argue their points without punctuating them with "fuck" and "cunt". Furthermore, I really love how anyone with ANY negative opinion, regardless of how it was presented, is immediately labeled a "bully".

    I'm sorry but if people can't take being criticised, positively or negatively, then they're the ones with the issue, not the critics. Plenty of people tried to provide mature dialogue and discussion about her posts and nothing changed. We still all got called "bullies" and dismissed because we didn't collectively ram our noses up her bum and laugh at her "wit". Hell, she's never once replied to a comment on her articles. Many of us felt as if she was ignoring the community and by not responding she only wanted attention. It's really not an unrealistic correlation and could've easily been cleared up if she'd actually participate in discussion.

    I find it far more insulting that we've been expected to be monotone "Yes Men" and should we dare to raise an opposing voice (I've tried my hardest to be one of the few voices of maturity and reason on the subject) we get slammed and called ridiculous names. Criticism, when done right, is not now nor is it ever going to be bullying. 

    Some of the people on this network have ridiculously thin skins and cannot take criticism, and it baffles me. Yes, there have been plenty of douchenozzles who went way too far with their comments to Jenn. This is something we can all agree on, but at the end of the day we DON'T have to look away and accept things as they are if we want a change. 

    That's an ignorant mindset to promote. And what makes it more annoying is when we said, "Okay, we WON'T read her work or write on it anymore." people STILL called us "bullies". So what is it you guys want from this community? Some of us will NOT like her work; deal with it. We're going to voice our opinions in one of three ways:

    1: Vitriolic condemnation
    2: Mature, polite discourse
    3: By saying nothing

    and it is the responsibility of you, the interns, writers, editors, what-have-you to learn to deal with it all maturely and appropriately. It's also your responsibility to remain consistent, which means drop the hypocritical responses to people's comments and take some of what we say to heart. Seriously. 

  • xxx_MYLiFE@xanga

    well it's because jen is not seeing things that everyone else is seeing. and we're doing her a favor by telling her where she went wrong, because if we don't tell her, she will never change her ways! (and yes, they should be changed to make her a better person) 

  • FIREExATxWILL@xanga

    I don't understand how her articles are ~controversial. They're just shallow, meaningless, and offer the community absolutely nothing. I'm sure she's a stellar person, but obviously not cut out for the sort of blogging that Datingish does here. If the community has been fed up with these articles, obviously they're going to get more aggressive if they're not being listened to. I haven't seen any of the comments that personally attack Jenn, but I doubt that I'd agree with those eithers. But I'm sure every writer has experienced that at some point. Maybe, just maybeeeeee, you should take all this drama as a hint?

  • Hinase@xanga
  • RazielV@xanga

    @Hinase@xanga - $20 says my comment goes ignored, or gets twisted around. Double down on the latter. I'm in a betting mood today.

  • Hinase@xanga

    @RazielV@xanga - I hope not, it's a very good comment on the entire subject. 

  • bmillerssailor@xanga

    I agree with this post. Childish is the best word to describe those who leave comments on her posts with nothing but name calling. I'm not a fan of her writing, it's very superficial sounding. BUT, I don't personally attack her. She's just doing her job. Thanks for posting this! Though I'm sure you will get hated on for posting this.

  • sugar_mama@xanga

    okay, seriously? BLOGS get feedback and comments, whether its the good bad or ugly. jen so happens to just get a lot of ugly comments. what's the point of having a blog when you have to sugar coat how you feel about something?

    you say let jen write the things she writes... i say let us say what we wanna say.

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