Wednesday, 27 July 2011

  • Flirting in a Relationship


    Normally I am the girl who is never in a relationship, however for the past two months I have been dating a wonderful boy from my college.  He makes me smile and laugh, he makes me feel young and yet we can still hold very serious conversation. There is no problem with chemistry, we are very physically attracted to each other. We're taking it slow and not over thinking too much since it has been only two months. Overall, it is a very satisfying relationship.

    Yet despite my happiness, I can't help but notice other guys still. Not that I am looking for a potential mate but it seems that I can not turn off that part of my brains that find multiple guys attractive. Harmless flirtation does exist, a subtle smile or a casual hello to a stranger helps boost self esteem and should not be considered cheating.

    Today I was watching a documentary detailing the science of physical attraction. At one point in the film, they surveyed several women at a night club, finding that those in relationships were more flirtatious and baring more skin. They also brought up the fact that women find masculine and feminine faces more and less attractive depending on where in their reproductive cycle they are. This brought up the question: are humans destined to cheat?

    This also has to do with biological development. Assuming that the goal of humans is to reproduce and pass on their genes, having multiple partners would be beneficial to that goal. Thinking about how opposed to settling down some people are, this also makes sense. After all, if you are paired up with one person there is a smaller chance that your genes will be passed down.

    While all this does make sense, I'm not sure it applies to every day life. When I notice other guys, that's all I do: notice. I may exchange a flirtatious smile, I never go beyond that. Even if I knew I could get away with it, I'm not sure I can bring myself to cheat.

    While we are separated for the summer, I am happy in this relationship. Every time my phone beeps with a text message from my boyfriend, I can't help but smile like an idiot. If I am happy with my relationship, what reason would I have to stray?

    Obviously I can't apply my personal experiences to everyone in the world. Plenty of people in perfectly happy relationships stray away for various reasons.  Sometimes it's for no reason at all really. No matter how happy you are in a relationship, it is nearly impossible to completely turn of that attraction part of the brain.

    What are your thoughts?  Are humans naturally monogamous or does it go against our very biological nature?

Comments (23)

  • RazorBladeParade@xanga

    Maybe it's just me, but I don't even notice people when I'm in a relationship where I'm happy. 

  • lorelei@xanga

    I've found the more free I am to be flirtatious in a relationship the happier I am. I think that's probably because my idea of "flirty" is really just "nice person" to everyone else. My boyfriend and I are both naturally flirty people but we both know that there is a big difference between flirty and actively pursing someone else outside of the relationship. Sometimes it's just fun to remember that you've got appeal outside of your relationship. It can be uplifting.

  • vicdaily@xanga

    Sorry, science only supports men being more prone to find multiple partners. It does not benefit women to find multiple partners because you are looking for your offspring's caretaker also, not just a place to spread your seed. I think what you're noticing is an increase in self-esteem from being in a relationship.

  • thisiswhereItellyoueverything@xanga

    I'm bisexual and people always seem to assume that means I'm nonmonogamous. I'm a monogamous DATER. I don't even understand how people can go on a few dates with multiple partners over the course of a month or something...if I'm dating someone to see if I want to be with them, I'm only dating them, even if it's not "official." It's weird, I guess, but it's just how I operate.

    I'd never cheat on my boyfriend...I love him like crazy. He's away on deployment with the Navy right now and you hear so much about people cheating on their partners in the military but we're both ridiculously faithful and don't even worry about it.


    I don't think noticing other people or being nice or smiling at them even counts as flirting, I guess unless you intend it that way. I certainly don't.
  • beanything37@xanga

    I don't think that humans are monogamous. Well, biologically anyways. It's not socially accepted to not be though. If you really are interested in this, I would suggest studying native americans. I remember hearing about a society that hasn't had human interaction at all for thousands of years that were recently discovered in Africa. Maybe look into that and see how their relationships ran because the results would answer your questions

  • ohforrealson@xanga

    Ah, the old debate...


    @vicdaily@xanga - good comment.  Perhaps it's just the way we're made - if we could "spread our seed" we'd probably have the same sexual mentality that many men do.  Or, all men, if some are just better at suppressing it.  Over time, we change, too... conform to social rules and regulations without realizing because that's "just the way things are."


    I think that harmless flirting is fine, but I'm a bit hypocritical.  I like joking around with other guys, even a compliment here and there (though I don't seek it out), but if another girl acts the same way with my fiance, I feel like I want to rip her face off.  Oddly enough, I feel I have decent self-esteem and I'm usually quite self-assured in general.  So... what? ha
  • Lost_Muse@xanga

    Doesn't bother me at all when my wife flirts.  It makes her feel good about herself when other guys find her attractive, and I know when she flirts back that's all it is.  I see nothing wrong with a little mild flirtation.  It only becomes a problem if it is repeated with someone you know.  One-shot flirtation with a stranger at the bus stop, or a customer in your store is nothing.  But when you flirt with your co-worker every shift, or something similar, then it becomes a problem, because feelings of attachment develop that will create issues in your primary relationship.

  • Lost_Muse@xanga

    @vicdaily@xanga - I actually read a xanga post recently that detailed recent scholarship suggesting female incentive to have multiple partners also.  I wish I could remember it, because it was fascinating.  Maybe one of the Xanga Sciencists will propound on it.

  • bmillerssailor@xanga

    Harmless flirting wouldn't bother me and it wouldn't bother my husband. However, neither one of us flirt with anyone. Why? Well, I can't speak for him but I know that I don't flirt with other men because I don't want to. I don't feel any desire flirt with a man other than my husband. Sure, if I'm being noticed by another man I may smile but that isn't flirting, that is just me being polite. I'm very happy and satisfied in my relationship so flirting with other men sounds... unappealing and actually quite uncomfortable.

  • tips@hardestlevel

    I don't really notice other guys when I'm happy in my relationship. My guy friends and I go back and forth with funny innuendos when the opportunity arises, but it's not really flirting. I always thought it weird that most guys that have approached me, and I'm nice to, take that as flirting or a sign of interest. But I'm only being polite and not in a giggly or flirtatious way at all. If a girl flirts with my boyfriend, deep down I want to punch her, but I also find it rather comical because he will blatantly express no interest in her. So he and I are on the same page really. Neither of us would consider flirting cheating, but we also have no interest in flirting with anyone else. We're both monogamous, neither of us could ever not be. I don't care if people are polygamous. I have a lot of friends who are. The only thing that makes me hate a person is when they are a lying and cheating scum bag of a person. There really is no excuse for it. Grow a pair and either be honest about it or end the relationship and go sleep around. But don't be a sorry excuse for a person and lie through your teeth and cheat on someone you can somehow manage to still look in the eyes and say, "I love you" to. That's seriously messed up and I think people like that are scum.

  • haltija@xanga

    humans may not be monogamous by nature but if my man doesn't want to end up single, he sure as hell will be. does that answer the question? (:

  • Hinase@xanga
  • ShirleyD@xanga

    Even in relationships I still look. I mean, it's hard not to appreciate an attractive looking specimen. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't disrespect your partner while doing it. So no obvious gawking while with him ok? Otherwise look all you want, play dj to these guys during solo time. It's all good.

  • wildchildofthebluemoon@xanga

    Monogamous animals are scarce, so it makes sense that humans would not have been monogamous originally.  Either way, men are more likely to spread their genes farther than women are anyway, because women carry the child and put their efforts into bringing that child to age, so it would make sense that women would want "someone to bring the bacon" [to feed the offspring] and men would want "a good child-bearing woman" [to spread their genes].  I really think that despite what our original mating strategy was, we are monogamous now and acknowledge that, so one should maintain self-control to not cheat on their loved one.

  • cru3lkindness@xanga

    i find myself flirting or texting old flings here & there when things with my boyfriend get rocky or i feel as though i'm not getting enough attention. i know it seems shallow but i never go any farther than a text message(s). i've  been cheated on before & i know how it feels so no matter how many times the thought cross my mind, i know i could never actually go through with it. i've been with my boyfriend for two years now & i think i just become to content with being with the same person that an occasional text behind his back helps boost my self esteem.. like " yeahhh, i still got it" (: anybody else feel this way?

  • xxthatsmexx@xanga

    Natural...eh, that's a difficult topic to argue.  Some base our inclinations on species from which we're descended, some are vehement supporters of monogamy...it's just a controversial topic, and I doubt we'll ever really get to the bottom of it.  I think the actual question should focus on the individual himself/herself: am I in the right relationship?  We're a curious species, and we look, explore, and analyze things because, well, we can.  So there's no harm in noticing other people, but if someone has a significant other who isn't keeping his/her interest, I doubt it's because he/she is programmed for promiscuity, but because he/she is not interested enough.

  • Liquid_Pain_523@xanga

    It's okay to flirt in a relationship if you and your SO have mutually determined that it's okay. That's the way it is with anything in a relationship. If it makes your SO uncomfortable, you don't do it. If it doesn't, go with it. And most of all, be consistent. If you're flirting, don't get mad at him for flirting.


    Yes, I didn't answer the question you asked at the end of the post. It's been brought up way too many times, and I'm sort of sick of it at this point. Maybe on another post when I'm less tired.
  • Guteman91

    I'd highly recommend to anyone interested in going into greater detail about the topic of this post that they read "The Red Queen" by Matt Ridley. He discusses these two questions in great depth with numerous accounts and examples of each throughout history.

    By the end of the book I simply came to the conclusion that promiscuity and monogamy were just two different strategies for reproduction and people can choose whatever it is that works best for the them. From a male perspective the first one ensures that my seed will be passed around on numerous occasions but it doesn't necessarily ensure that it will take (due to competition from other men) or that if that child will even survive long enough to pass on my genes again. The second option will more than likely ensure that my seed takes root and I will then be able to raise the child or children with my partner, ensuring their survival, success, and the continual passing of my genes on to the next generation. However, I likely wouldn't have as many potential children in that instance.

    Although another interesting bit that I found was that men tend to have one partner they are loyal to, above all, however, they will seek out other opportunities as time goes on. It's like Mormons and polygamy (yes I know this is outdated and applies to a small percentage of that religion). The first wife is 2nd in line for power in the house behind the husband, after that comes all the subsequent wives who take on a lesser role. However, everyone works together to ensure the safety and success of the children and the resources of everyone are pooled. Essentially it's a better choice for the younger wives than risking dating a single man whom they would be taking a chance on. Off point.

    In the end it's likely a crap-shoot. I'm the monogamous type, it's what I prefer and choose. However, though I would never cheat on my SO, I wouldn't be averse to her introducing another woman into the bedroom. Of course, my future wife would always win over the other woman.

    Hah and I'm not sure if this answered any of the questions. In the end just choose what works for you and what makes you happy.

  • Murphy_Rants@xanga

    I think some humans are monogamous and that others are polygamous. I don't think is has to ALL be one way.

  • Statuess

    Although some people intend on straying, I think a lot of the flirting is simply a way of 'spreading the love' that comes from being in a happy relationship. :) You feel good so you want to make others feel good too. 


    As for what vicdaily said, what about getting your genes from one man and your resources from another who more suited? :P
  • kor_girl@xanga

    after 2 yrs of being with my SO, I notice that sometimes, it's not even sheer attractiveness that draws his eye to check out another woman while with me. Sometimes, his attention is drawn to those that are odd with the environment; either very short but with a heavy set booty, or extremely tall with some heightened accessory, a faux hawk on a woman who otherwise look like a mom, or a really, stunning model-esque woman in a crowd of sweaty construction workers, etc...


    And my eye never stopped "noticing" people I found attractive. I don't act on it. We are both deliriously happy in our current status: engaged, but it doesn't mean our eyes will just stop checking out the scene and notice. I don't expect him to; after many hard lessons learned, I don't expect men to act different because of a relationship or is married. It's just how he seems to be and it's how I seem to be. Sometimes, he'll point them out and I'll point out the guy that got my attention. Then we'd make fun of each other because we were RIGHT with each other when this happend. HAHA we laugh it off and move on.  Just because I noticed a pair of beeeeautiful heels on a window, it doesn't mean I'll fall in love with it, steal it and run away with these shoes. Just like that, I love my fiance and I would never lie, cheat or hurt him (neither would he to me) by actually ACT on something simply because I noticed a person.

  • x__RainOnHerParade@xanga

    It's foolish to act like when you're happy in a relationship, everyone in the world that you could potentially find attractive suddenly isn't. This always bugged my about my ex-roommate and her boyfriend; she would get so incredibly upset if he said anything about anyone but her looking "nice", "pretty", or "good". She expected him to see her as the most beautiful person in the world. I think that's a little ridiculous. I love my boyfriend, I think he's handsome and gorgeous, but I'm not going to lie to you and say that I don't still think Gerard Butler is drop-dead sexy. At any rate, if I met a Gerry lookalike, I'd probably flirt with him, but I wouldn't be aggressive and it probably wouldn't go beyond playful banter. I'm loyal to my boyfriend; I would never do anything to jeopardize our relationship, but I'm also a human being.

  • heart__ofglass@xanga

    Ironically, I was reading a men's health magazine the other day, and a reader wrote in "My fiance and I have incredible sex, but I'm still lusting over women in the office - whats up?" .. And the writer from Men's Health replied with the same thing I'm about to tell you.

    You're human. It is normal for you to notice other guys. It's the fact that you don't act on your fantasies is what counts. You need to remember your boyfriend and keep him in your mind. Remind yourself of the times he texts you and "you can't help but smiling like an idiot". If he makes you that happy, and everything is satisfying and incredible, then why would you act on your observations of hot guys, when you know it would only mess things up with this mister wonderful?

    Good guys are hard to come by, and if you have a keeper - then KEEP him! :)

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