Thursday, 02 June 2011

  • Same-Sex Marriage: "Near Equality is No Equality"

    So, I know that everyone has their own theories and thoughts on same-sex marriage. We all know this because we've seen our politicians struggle to defend their own opinions and what they think is right for the people. Just last week, Mayor Bloomberg addressed the issue in defense of same-sex marriage rights. This is what got me thinking. When I think about a married couple, I generally think about whether or not they have children. Note: I do not think about whether or not they have the ability to conceive children.

    This is where my mind started really churning. What's the real issue here? Is it straight up homophobia? Is it because same-sex couples can't naturally reproduce? 

    Let's get real. A lot of heterosexual couples can't naturally reproduce. In Friends, Monica has an inhospitable environment and Chandler has slow swimmers. They adopt and remain a happily married couple. Monica and Chandler stand out to me as one of my favorite television/movie couples even though their children are not their biological offspring. 

    So far, I'm not finding the differences then between same-sex couples and heterosexual couples. If it's love, who cares? The bottom line is, no one is asking you to marry someone of the same sex. 

    This is a topic that really and truly puzzles me. If conservatives and republicans are the ones who are typically so against same-sex marriage, then it really makes no sense to me. Politically, these parties are considered "laissez-faire" which means "hands off." This means that they expect a more loose government with less power. So, lay off the people who want to marry who they want to marry! 

    I would understand if this was some sort of sanction to the holiness that is the success of heterosexual marriages. Again, let's be real. Today in the U.S. divorce rates are nearly 50% total of all married couples. Yes, you read that right. Approximately 50% of married couples get divorced. So, chill out people. Maybe same-sex couples know something the rest of us don't: how to be in love and maintain a relationship unconditionally. 

    Instead of acting so self-righteous as if everyone else has something to learn from us, maybe it's time we all open our eyes. We have a lot to learn from each other. Mayor Bloomberg definitely has the right idea and, if he gets what he's after, same-sex marriage will soon be legal in New York. Those of you with your minds sealed shut, you're going to see it more and more. No one is asking you to accept it and to embrace it, but tolerance is necessary to a happy life. 

    I'm sure many of you have your own opinions that conflict with mine. How do you feel about same-sex marriage rights? Does everyone deserve equality in this category?

Comments (30)

  • Pink_TeaCups@xanga
  • Grtt@xanga

    I don't think the government should be in charge of handing out marriages to anyone. Actually, most people (that I've talked to personally) only take issue with the use of the word 'marriage' being applied to anyone but one man and one woman, which isn't really addressed here. In that case, if they want to decide who to hand out the word to, they should take it upon themselves to remove the institution from the hands of the government instead of deciding who gets the word and who doesn't.

    All that said, I think consenting adults should be able to enter into any contract they want to without the government checking in on what goes on their bedroom. 

  • DoRi_dOrI@xanga

    this is going to get a lotttt of comments. 

  • thepsychoticraccoon@xanga

    @Grtt@xanga - My thing is, the word we have for that partnership is "marriage" whether anyone likes it or not. Marriage isn't exclusively religious anymore. A word's a word, right? So just call it marriage. 

  • Grtt@xanga

    @thepsychoticraccoon@xanga - You're right; a word is just a word. That same argument could be just as easily used to 'just call it something else.' Personally, I don't care about the word, but it seems to be a major roadblock for some and a rather simple solution to that problem would be to rename the government contract.

  • anonymous

    Really...who the hell cares if a man marries a man and a woman marries a woman?  We're all of the same human species.   I'd start to worry if a man wanted to marry his dog or a tree.

  • thepsychoticraccoon@xanga

    @Grtt@xanga - Sure it could, but why bother coming up with a new term for marriage when marriage is already part of the language? What people commonly call something isn't decided by some committee, especially when we have word for it already. To me it's also the principle of the thing -- if you're going to treat them the same as everyone else, why call their "marriage" by a different name? Just seems silly to me. Then again, I didn't grow up being taught that marriage was between a man and a woman because "God said so." :P

  • Grtt@xanga

    @thepsychoticraccoon@xanga - Because partnership is already part of the language too (you used it yourself). So is union, so is contract. These words already exist. I'm not advocating adding a word to the English language, lol, and there are plenty of others that would apply.

    Also not advocating a union/partnership for gay people and a marriage for straight people. Everyone (insofar as the government is concerned) should have the same name attached to their little signed paper. After that, if you can find a willing priest to 'marry' you and your partner, have at it, if that's what you want.

    I wasn't taught absolutely anything about God growing up, but I was taught you can't expect something for nothing, and as a gay man (who is for all intents and purposes 'married'), I would love to have my government recognise me and my husfriend (my own little term) as equals to all the other 'married' people. I'm perfectly willing to compromise over something so insignificant as a word if it will lead to progress.

  • thepsychoticraccoon@xanga

    @Grtt@xanga - Haha I knew you weren't necessarily for those things, was just stating my thoughts. Should've made it more clear. And I totally get using different words just for the sake of compromise -- if the word "marriage" were the largest piece of the issue, I'd be for that too. But from what I understand, what's keeping gay marriage from happening are people who think gays are an abomination, not just that they don't want them to "marry". If that were the case though, calling the religious practice "marriage" and the legal practice a "union" or a "partnership" would be an excellent compromise. The problem here is that I -- and many other people I'm sure -- will always think of the legal joining of two people as a marriage.


    Or maybe that's just my stubbornness talking. WE CANNOT LET THEM WIN DAMN IT! WE SHALL HAVE GAY "MARRIAGE"! haha


  • thepsychoticraccoon@xanga

    @Grtt@xanga - I feel the need to clarify. I meant in my above comment that many people will still think of the legal practice as a marriage since the definition has evolved for so long to include both the religious and legal parts. Giving the legal practice a new word does make sense, I just don't think we should HAVE to. 

  • PervyPenguin@xanga

    Women: Maybe you'd be just as happy in your marriage as any gay couple if you'd let your husband stick it up your pooper every once in a while.

  • love_and_blackberries@xanga

    @Grtt@xanga - I completely agree. Every marriage should be a civil union in the government's eyes. The problem I have religious ceremonies combining with politics. That shouldn't be legal. Let the individual churches decide who they allow marriages to.

    Furthermore, I've heard the argument that allowing people who are homosexual to get married would take away from the sanctity of marriage. Riiiiight. Because marriage today in America is so sacred. There are tons of heterosexual people out in the world who make a joke of marriage. Surely we don't want the gays to get married to ruin that. *insert eye roll here*

  • Grtt@xanga

    @thepsychoticraccoon@xanga - True. I call my marriage a marriage despite it not being one, and honestly, I don't see a problem with that. My issue is with what the government calls it, not people engaging in it. Because that one name change destroys a lot of arguments I've heard against gay 'marriage'. Sacred institution (delusional, but an argument used often), defined as a union of one man and one woman (dumb, but also used often). Taking out that one word removes a lot of, in fact most, arguments that aren't based solely on prejudice. And since when has the government had a problem making legislation that flies in the face of prejudice? Civil Rights acts, hate crime legislation, harassment laws, etc.

    Also, OP: 'Conservative' isn't a political party. It is not interchangeable with 'Republican'. There are actually some fairly conservative people who are not Republicans, and would be offended at the idea.

  • Grtt@xanga

    @love_and_blackberries@xanga - I wish religion and politics were more like oil and water, but that rascally religion keeps hanging in there!

  • StatelessPilot@revelife

    I agree. That's why marriage licensing should be thrown out altogether, and everyone should be given all the rights that married couples currently have. They are your rights after all, why any government entity snatches them away and only bestows them upon married individuals is beyond me. 

  • TheDeadWhale@xanga

    The problem lies in that the government is giving benefits to a religious union when the government should be separate from the church.

    Though even atheist couples get these benefits– well– as long as they're straight (oh the hypocrisy! it never dies.)

  • krystal_keepsake@xanga

    Ah don't you just love cultural marxists?!

  • TheNotoriousGOD@xanga

    i think i've come up with a good compromise for this.  we'll give gays all the same rights as straights, except we'll just call them "butt buddies". 


    op:  i think you misunderstand the conservative viewpoint.  they are fiscally hands-off, but with everything else, they're very much into telling you how to live your life.  liberals have the opposite viewpoint:  they want people to devise their own sets of morals, but believe the government should exercise more fiscal control.

  • lemons_to_lemonade@xanga

    I agree. The government should let people marry who they want to. It's a personal decision that is their own private business. Besides there are always ways around rules...hasn't our government learned that by now? They should just go ahead and legalize gay marriage. I think there's a lot more way BIGGER issues they should be worried about instead of telling people who they can't marry.

  • anonymous

    @anonymous - We are all humans but there is differences between us, like between men and women. If it didn't matter then we would all be the same in every way! But we aren't! 

  • anonymous

    @TheDeadWhale@xanga - This country was founded on biblical standards which is why it is the way it is. Just like most other countries.

  • anonymous

    @lemons_to_lemonade@xanga - If the government just let people do whatever they wanted to do, this country would be in even more chaos then it already is. There is a government in place for a reason, just like children need parents to actually "parent" them.

  • lemons_to_lemonade@xanga

    @Amanda - I never said that the government should let people do what they want. I said the government should let people MARRY who they want...big difference! the government shouldn't be concerned about who is marrying who...it should be concerned about our debt problem, the terrorists, starving and jobless families, war, etc. It should embrace those that love each other so much they are willing to fight to make it legal for them to marry! And that should be an example to our society: base things on love and not hate. Where has hate gotten us?

  • StatelessPilot@revelife

    @Amanda - You know, I'm a Christian, and I can't stand when Christians try to legislate Christianity. It is a myth that the United States of America was founded on Biblical standards - a myth perpetrated by American Christianity. The Treaty of Tripoli very clearly indicates that the United States of America is a secular state, as does the Constitution. 



    Since when have homosexuals hurt you in any way? Oh I forgot, they DON'T. They DON'T hurt you in any way, shape, or form. What consenting adults do is none of your damn business, and you need to butt out. 

    This is why despite being Christian, I can't stand American Christianity. American Christianity is one of the many reasons I left America and renounced my US citizenship (LGBTs receiving unequal treatment is another reason, for that matter). 
  • WaitingToShrug@xanga

    This is because BOTH parties seek to control the people's lives, just in different areas.


    This is why every gay person or other person who doesn't care for government interference in those arenas should vote Libertarian and check out Ayn Rand's philosophy.


    The government should not be involved in marriage at all. Why is marriage considered to be in the government's power in the first place?

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