Tuesday, 31 May 2011
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What's Wrong With Having Preferences?

I've seen a couple of posts here and there about looks. For example, the post about the guy who doesn't like short hair on girls and the girl that wont date guys that are shorter than her. I've been seeing a lot of comments where people say something like "Oh, you're so shallow, personality should matter more than looks, bla bla bla." I personally do agree with that statement, but people shouldn't judge others for having preferences. I can't deny that looks do matter to a point. I want to be with someone that I personally find attractive, it doesn't matter what other people say. I want to think highly of my partner in both personality and looks.Here's my deal breaker list for when it comes to looks on guys:
- Big and wide noses
- Being a little more than chubby
- Having a big beer belly type of stomach
- Long hair (shoulder length or longer)
- Being shorter than me(5' 4" - 5' 5")
- Being too tall (over 6 feet of so)
- Does having unfavorable body odor count??
Now, before you start attacking me, I want to disclose a few things. For me, personality has to be a 9/10 and for looks, around 7/10. Of course, these figures are really subjective to my opinion. A guy who's a 7 to me might be a 5 to someone else. And a guy with a nasty attitude is out the door no matter how hot he is. So I stand by my claim that personality matters much, much more than looks, but it doesn't mean that looks don't matter at all.
Why is it okay to have personality preferences but not for looks? Sounds hypocritical to me. Maybe people should go around telling others that they're too "unforgiving" and "harsh" to people who have strict personality preferences for their partner. There is also biological basis to our physical preferences. We're attracted to good looking people because good looks is a signal to good genes. This may not be true all the time, but that's how our brains are wired to think. I don't want kids, but if I were to have a kid, I would want it to have a decent looking father so the kid can be good looking because life tends to be easier for good looking people.
Just for fun, the following is my deal breaker list for personality:
- Unfaithfulness
- Dishonesty
- Being some sort of porn addict
- Assholes
- Guys who put women down
- Someone that doesn't make me feel like the only one
- Being a lazy bum that doesn't want to work hard to be financially stable
Well, there you have it. The point I was trying to make is: Don't judge others for having preferences!!! Whether it has to do with looks or personality. We ALL have preferences. If we didn't, we would just going wildly about dating anyone that showed interest in us and getting married to the first person we date! I don't know about you, but I sure am glad I didn't marry my first serious boyfriend.
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Everyone has preferences. It's natural to like X over Y, and to appreciate the importance of physical attraction. Nothing shallow about it. It becomes shallow when those preferences become unmoving requirements that stop someone from getting to know another.
I don't see any issues with preferences. I'm sure everyone has their own preferences when looking for a partner, be it looks for personality. The true shallow people are the one who judge others for having preferences because they themselves refused to admit that they have their own preferences too.
Great argument!!
One of my favorite relationship quotes goes something like, "There's a name for people who have wonderful personalities but we don't find physically attractive: friends." So true.
Everyone has something that attracts them. Maybe some people are attracted to all sorts of different people, but even those people want to be with someone they consider attractive. I sometimes think I'd rather be attracted to someone that other people thought was a 5 and I thought was a 10. That way, I totally win: I'm with someone I think is totally hot, but everyone else thinks he's average and then they don't hit on him. I think my crush is a perfect 10. Apparently so does every other woman in the city. If I'm honest with myself, I have to admit that bothers me a bit sometimes, knowing that he can choose from a very large number of women and I'm just one more girl that's hot for him. He's also in a band, very charismatic onstage, and I notice how other women drool over him when he plays. I'm happy for his success, but at the same time, knowing I have that much competition and a lot of them are younger and hotter than me can be a bit discouraging. So if I ever do crush on anyone else, I think I'll pic someone who's a bit more of a "hidden gem."
"Why is it okay to have personality preferences but not for looks?"
is this a serious question? that's because people have control over their personality, but not their looks. i thought that was obvious.
anyway. i think, as a generality, that unattractive people will be the ones who resent preferences (in looks), and attractive people will be the ones who say there's nothing wrong with it.
i think it becomes shallow when you link a physical characteristic with a personality trait. such as, saying that all guys who wear glasses must be nerdy.
I think it's perfectly reasonable to have preferences. I'm not even mad at a person for being shallow; people like what they like, it has nothing to do with me, so it doesn't offend me. My only thing is, if you post something that blatantly bashes people who fall outside of your preferences, don't be shocked when you get comments bashing you in return. (OP: I'm not talking about you, I realize you're not bashing anyone.
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NOTHING is wrong with having preferences. And I don't see people getting upset with dudes who exclusively like fat women; it seems that it's only okay to have preferences if they favor people who are perceived to be less attractive mates. Like, it's fine for all the people who say that they love pale, skinny, nerdy men, but if I say that I want a man who's tall and athletic, that's shallow.
Love and sex are ultimately selfish in nature- the relationship is based on the value and pleasure they bring to your life. Therefore, you would think that it would be acceptable, even rational, to base your requirements for a romantic interest on traits that you value, not traits that you have to look past and "rise above".
Lol. But once you start bringing things in that can relate to plastic surgery or race, it's suddenly not okay for whatever reason.
Sure, it's totally okay if I prefer the looks of men within my race (asian), it's kind of okay if I prefer caucasian men, but it's completely wrong if I say I prefer asian, caucasian, and hispanic men over black men. I'm not even talking about anything BUT looks.
I fondly remember the one time that I found a black guy extremely attractive, but other than that I've never found myself physically attracted to another one. So my overly sensitive friend bitched at me for being kind of "racist."
I don't even care when I hear people say they think asian girls are unattractive - I attract guys just fine, and I don't mind that some aren't into my particular facial features or skin color or hair color or body shape.
Okay and I'm done with my slight tangent.
The girl who wrote the article about shorter guys... mostly had people who agreed with her or at least understood her point. There were a few people who pulled an issue with her, but it was minimal.
The guy who wrote about preferring long hair on women didn't get attacked because of his preference. He got attacked because of the way he presented his preference and the assumptions he made (ie, that women with shorter hair are lazier than women with longer hair).
Very few people have a problem with preferences in and of themselves.
There isn't anything wrong with it but I think people shouldn't stick with it so much. It's like making lists with what qualities they want in their partner. Honestly, I think people stick to it too much and actually don't get a chance to experience much more than that. So if the guy had a big nose and a great personality and you guys clicked, would you really make that a deal breaker?
I think people limit themselves in the dating pool by making lists and having preferences they stick to. If you want to find and date other people, it's best not to stick too many preferences.
So I agree with @Katseye4pirates@xanga - with. If the preferences themselves don't limit you, then you're doing fine or it doesn't stop you from getting to know a person...then it is fine. But if it does, then something is wrong.
i don't see anything wrong with preferences as long as someone isn't being a jerk about it. one guy said he prefers thinner girls and that you're desperate if you date a fat girl. now, i have no problem with him wanting to date a small girl, but he didn't have to make it rude. THAT is what makes someone shallow and jerkish.
im 6'2" so count me out of your list lol
My last GF was asian, 5'4 and she loved tall men.
Go figure
@Hinase@xanga - A lot of people wold rather stay single in the hopes of landing that prize prospect than settle for something less. While I don't necessarily agree with being that picky, some people just have to have all the boxes ticked off. I have a good friend like that and she literally cannot settle for less than her ideal guy because if she does, she ends up picking out and magnifying all the things she doesn't like about him, and they're broken up in a week. She lucks out because she's attractive, intelligent, and well-spoken, so there's never a shortage of suitors, but sometimes it makes me want to bang my head against the wall when she asks for advice.
It's fine to have a few preferences. It's when people have long, drawn out checklists, or deeply specific preferences that it becomes shallow and superficial.
@TheNotoriousGOD@xanga - Truer words never spoken.
@tokyoexpressman@xanga - Dude, you and I are nearly always on the same page. I don't drink, but I'd love to have a beer with you.
People love to say that looks have absolutely nothing to do with a relationship or whatever you want to call it, but the truth and reality is that they absolutely do! Maybe they don't have everything to do with it but they play a big role. The first thing you see when you look at someone is their looks, and if they aren't nice to look at, then chances are, you won't give them a second glance.
But what is ugly to me, may be attractive to you. That's where our individual preferences come in. You might like guys with blonde hair and blue eyes, while I am not attracted to that look at all.
But when looks is the only thing you consider on that person, then you've got a problem. Because a relationship starts with attraction, but it should grow into something more. There are lots of other informative articles and inspirational books written about this. But a lot of it is also just common sense.
@Kazydai@mancouch - When you have numeric measurements in your preferences (aka "My girl needs a 32 B cup size" or "My boyfriend had to be exactly 215 pounds and 50% of it has to be muscle mass.") then you know your standards have become ludicrous.
@tokyoexpressman@xanga - Exactly. And it's one thing to maybe prefer a certain cup size or something like that, but when she absolutely has to have that or the deal is off, that's when someone comes off as picky. I mean, I prefer long hair on girls, and I'd love to have a lady with that feature, but if I met an awesome chick who had shorter hair, I wouldn't shut her down, I'd just focus on everything else I dug about her.
In high school, I had one class that the teacher would gather up some of the papers and things that we have written and promised to send it out to us in five years. Well it has been five years, and I recently have gotten that stuff back. One of the papers we did focused in on our ideal mate and what we would want that person to be like. I read it and laughed because I realized that the guy I am currently dating and head over heels for is everything I said I would not date in that paper.
It's funny how flexible preferences can be. Really, it's about the person as a whole, and I try to avoid to state my preferences because every time I have my next boyfriend included traits I previously viewed as undesired.
I've posted this on that post with the shorter men, so I guess I'm going to sound like a broken record.
I don't know why people have a hard time grasping this. No one is criticizing people's preferences. I think the majority of people here accept that some people prefer some characteristics over others. The person who posted about women with shorter hair didn't get criticized because of his preference for short hair. REREAD THE POST/COMMENTS. He got criticized because he insulted women who do have short hair and labeled them all as lazy people who didn't care about their hair.
You can express your preferences without degrading those who fall outside your preferences.
I didn't mind the post about her preferring to date taller men, because if you look at the reasons she provides for doing so, they mostly revolve around herself. She gives reasons like, "It makes me feel taller," or "I'm self-conscious." Nowhere in her post does she ever degrade shorter men and say things like "Shorter men obviously didn't get enough calcium when they were younger so they must all be lazy and they don't care about what they look like."
I am so sick of all these people coddling those who are ignorant and demeaning.
@RestlessPhoenix@xanga - Thank you for this. <3
I think the problem with those posts was the insulting way they came across, like saying that girls with short hair are just too lazy to take care of their long hair. It goes beyond a preference when it gets insulting.
There's nothing wrong with having preferences. Everyone has them, even people who don't want to admit it. We're all a little bit shallow on some level.
There is nothing wrong with preferences and it sure as hell doesn't make you shallow. People need to get over themselves and realize what is attractive to you could be repulsive to someone else.
I would never judge people for having a preference, but yes, I might critique it, and with reason. If your preference is clearly rooted in cultural bias, I think it's worth examining, if not necessarily changing. And sometimes examination can lead us either to the discovery that
A) we have subconsciously absorbed troubling cultural myths about what "is" attractive, or
B) we might be more open to people who previously didn't suit our preferences.
So is it okay that a white guy adamantly doesn't want to date a black girl? Sure, it's his preference. But examining the why of why it is a preference is useful here, because it will force us to realize that
A) we are brought up in a culture where white skin is considered the most beautiful through a constant parade of advertisements, tv shows, and cultural dialogue
B) many people associate certain traits with skin color that is rooted in cultural bias (like assuming black women are "less intelligent")
He may always date white women, but being aware of his bias (and privilege) might help him to make less biased decisions in life and think less biased thoughts (or at least they will be accompanied by a bit more reflection)
additionally, the annoying thing I found about those posts was that they sought to justify their preferences as something larger than themselves and logical, rather than just... individual. With the guy who liked short hair, shorted haired women (me!) were universally "lazy" and "unkempt" and "not as sexy." With the woman who preferred tall guys, it wasn't as bad but she still made a comment about how "girls like feeling smaller so they prefer cuddling with tall guys" (not me, and I don't think "feeling big" is necessarily a bad thing).
Have your preferences all you like, but when you try to justify why the other type is bad, that's when I will get a bit defensive.
I guess my issue with females is that their preferences tend to limit them more than it should.
Hence the reason why I think many of them end up with shitty boyfriends.
It's FINE to have preferences when it comes to looks... Hygiene? Sure. That's a reasonable preference. But when the preferences are as ticky tacky as something like height or hair length... Then you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
What I think the smartest thing to do is... Have strong preferences for personality (as it DOES matter A LOT more)... And try to limit the 'look' preferences as much as possible, because often times they fuck you over.
It's not even really a difficult thing for me to do... So I don't see what the problem is with most girls... They just seem unwilling to budge on their irrational preferences.
Good riddance if they don't find a good guy.. All I have to say about it.