Friday, 20 May 2011

  • When Does A Racial Preference Become A Fetish?

     
    My best friend is of Korean descent - she was adopted when she was a few months old and has been raised on the East Coast in very western culture ever since. Ever since I've known her, she has mostly dated and been attracted to caucasian men.  When we were in high school, she found out a guy that she had dated for a brief period of time had a self professed "Asian fetish". Naturally, this kind of disturbed her, as it seemed to demean all the other aspects about her, and made her feel as though he had only been interested in her because of her race.

    A few years later, she was seeing a guy when she found out that he had dated mostly Asian girls before her.  There was no mention of a "fetish", and there didn't seem to be anything weird about it.  But for some reason it turned her off, and they eventually stopped seeing each other.

    Now I'm not sure I completely understand this. She has a clear preference for lighter haired caucasian men, and I'm sure she would think it ridiculous if any of them ever insinuated that she might only be interested in them because they are white.  It's not a "thing", it's simply who she usually finds herself attracted to.  So why does it seem hard for her to understand that some guys might genuinely find themselves more attracted to Asian women?

    For me, I personally tend to be attracted to dark hair and slightly darker skinned men, usually of Meditteranian descent.  This isn't a formula, nor has it stopped me from meeting or dating other people, but its simply a pattern that has emerged over time. It's not a "fetish", as neither of us directly associate the race or physical appearance of the men we've dated, as something that in itself turns us on.

    It seems there are more people sensitive to these issues than I had previously thought. Are men ever sensitive to this?  Is it because "Asian fetishes" are something that we're slightly more familiar with? What about "black guys who like white girls"/"girls who like black guys"?  The assumption in all of these is that it is not the individual person, their thoughts or personality that is attractive, but only their physical appearance.

    Naturally, there ARE some people who have a real "fetish" for one look or race, but where exactly is that line drawn?  I'm trying to imagine how I would feel if I dated someone of another race who "only" dated women of my race. I honestly don't think it would bother me at all because I'm confident that I would be able to tell through our interactions whether it was truly ME they were interested in, or the way I looked.  But then again, I don't know.

    I'm really curious to know if anyone else has experienced this or if it bothers them.  Do you find yourself being generally attracted to a certain race (either the same or different from your own)?  Would you be offended if you found out someone you were dating only tended to be attracted to women/men of your race?

Comments (124)

  • MangoWOW@xanga

    I tend to be more attracted to white guys. They're just sooo good looking. But I've dated hispanics, blacks, jewish... and I've done all different types.

  • P0RCELA1N_D0LL@xanga

    I mostly liked latino men when I was younger. they mostly resembled sean paul even though sean is a mixture of many races. nowadays, this is the typical facial features that I'm attracted to, so if I see an asian, caucasian or black man, who resembles this, I'm drawn to this look. I like the defined high arch nose in his profile, devious sexy eyes, medium lips, subtle stubble, and a cute smile often wins:) johnny depp is a caucasian example. I had the biggest crush on the old school bball player, anfernee hardaway-damn he's cute


    http://www.imagesnewsletter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/Sean_Paul_-_Ever_Blazin.jpg

  • mynameisblueskye@xanga

    Confessions of a Black Man wrote about this in their blog from their point of view. It's more of a fear of simply being that, from the point of view of those dating simply for love and interest.Anytime someone would say to me that they mostly date black men for the curiosity of that, I am inclined to say, "I'm not really that brotha" or any variation of that.

  • TheNotoriousGOD@xanga

    let me generalize the question:  "when does [something deemed okay] become [creepy]?"  and the answer, whether or not any girl wants to admit it, is "it's okay if he's cute, and creepy if he's not".  i've never understood why white guys all have yellow fever. 


    i agree with you that your friend is a hypocrite, by the way. 

  • ScaredNLovely@xanga

    I don't think anything is wrong with having a prefrence I just think it is a little closed minded. I sure don't have one I love everyone and I don't look at their color I go off their presence and personality. A great smile always drags me in I don't know what it is just so invitng I guess. If someone did say they had a prefrence and it was me I wouldn't mind as long as we had an actual connection.

  • katethoughts@xanga
    im not offended when a white guy exclusively date asian women, but i have to say im alarmed, simply because there are men who date asian/eastern bloc women because they think these women are submissive and tame. 
  • NeoSoul20@xanga

    I dated guys who were hispanic and black. I don't really have a preference when it comes to them. But I do like my men with some color on them.

    However, many guys I've dated were never attracted to me. They perferred asian and lighter skin latinas, and I was the least one they would have ever dated.

    I ended up breaking it off with some of the guys because they never saw me as their type so I thought "why should I stay around if they were truly not attracted to me?" So I BOUNCED!!!

  • starcrossedloversdivine@xanga

    I don't have a "type", I know an attractive man when I see one, but I don't really date outside of my own race.

  • anonymous

    good question. I have noticed that guys who date asian girls seem to have "asian fetishes". if it is just a preference I guess it isn't a big deal, we all have our type, but i guess it just seems creepy when it doesn't seem to be about a looks preference it seems to be more of an assumption that they will be docile sex kittens. Just seems like a weird control freak thing for a lot of guys.

  • Nana_O9@xanga

    A wise man once told me:
    'Everyone wants to date an asian girl, but asian guys? No one wants to date an asian guy, not even asian girls!'
     - Ronny Chieng

    There is truth to that.......

  • ionekoa@xanga

    @TheNotoriousGOD@xanga - exactly. of course, the cute factor can be overcome by an excessive wallet weight. 

  • Day923@xanga

    This one time I was hooking up with someone who had, and these are his words not mine: "Jungle fever". Now, where I am now, I'm not really attracted to a race or color or anything, there are just little instances that make me attracted to a man/woman.


    I was kind of offended, though. Not because he had a preference, just because it seemed like there was something about me that he didn't like, that I had no ability to change. 
  • Spectrophile@xanga

    I think you've answered your own question. It becomes a fetish when their race is more important than who they are as a person. The last few women I've dated have been people of other races, but I have not dated them because of their race, but because I relate to them as a person. We were all travellers .

  • plain_jane21@xanga

    i am really disturbed by asian fetishes. i think a fetish can be defined when the guy has dated three asian girls in a row and is weirdly obsessed with all aspects of asian culture such as the language and martial arts etc.


    it is definitely a turn off for me if the guy i date(whos not asian) has dated a lot of asian girls before me. 
  • aphelps28@xanga

    My best friend is asian so I believe your friend is being weird. Unless she looked in these guy's houses and say a hidden box of 100 asian porn video's then and only then could she make this assumption. It sounds more to me like she has a self hate complex. Where she is asian and only attracted to white men, she likes white men, but not white men who only date asians. She wants to prove to herself (and perhaps other white or asian women) she might be an asian girl who likes white guys but she is better then white girls because he choose me over a white girl.


    My friend Thao has only dated a few asian guys and mostly white men and has only slept with white me. The guys she dates all have ex asian girlfriends and she doesn't think it's weird. Her boyfriend now even told me he prefer's asian women because he finds them beautiful.


    It is not a sex thing, I know he loves her beyond the physical things. However, we determine our mates first by their apperace. If someone isn't physically attractive to us we won't even consider them.


    This whole asian girls only liking white guys must be growing because my friend and all her friends back in texas are all only dating white guys. Poor asian guys... lol.

  • hopethatitglows@xanga

    I'd say it becomes a fetish when you ask your partner who is not of that race to dress/act/become the person of the desired race...

  • bogoshipo@xanga

    so is it still considered a fetish if u're only attracted to ur own race? 

  • Just_AJ@xanga

    "So why does it seem hard for her to understand that some guys might genuinely find themselves more attracted to Asian women?"

    Maybe your friend finds that it's easier to place the "burden" of the fetish tag on someone else rather than herself. Some people get insulted when told that they have "____ fever", and others embrace it unabashedly. 

    I think it's a fetish when you see a person less for who they are,but for what they are; When you're attracted to someone in a crowd because of their race moreso than their actual looks.

  • SweetNGuilty@xanga

    I think it's a fetish if you find think 7 out of 10 women/men of a race are soooooo beautiful (looks-wise). Especially when there are not many people of that race in your town xD. No race has so many beautiful people, I would think every race has a normal distribution with many people being decent looking and a few that are stunning, unless you live in Hollywood.

    I think it's a preference if you prefer some race/looks (dark hair/dark eyes) but don't call almost every person of that race/with those looks you see "oh so beautiful". Though you have a preference, you don't think every person with that hair color stunning.

  • KasumiCelesta@xanga

    I think it becomes a fetish when their race is the most important aspect about them. That person would rather take an okay-looking and/or incompatible person of their preferred race rather than a stunningly attractive and/or totally compatible person of a different race. Or they might have an expectation for that person to act according to racial stereotypes.

    I'm half-Black and half-Korean. I admit that I'm known by my friends to have a liking for good-looking Japanese guys, but this is definitely not a requirement and it's partially out of curiosity to date one (I live in semi-rural Japan so I don't get a lot of choices here). I'll also admit that I'm not really attracted to Black guys, despite being raised mostly around Black people all my life.

    In the end, as long as the guy is compatible and cute, it doesn't matter what his race(s) is/are. ^_^

  • robasauruss@xanga

    @plain_jane21@xanga - agreed. I actually find it really gross when they watch anime & manga 24/7 and listen to c/k/j-pop.


    A lot of white boys also like asian girls because they are submissive. Another stereotype that I despise. (what pisses me off even more are the asian girls who endorse this stereotype)
  • AsylumBlue

    For some reason, I've mostly attracted white girls throughout my life, and I'm Hispanic with a tan, not a "white hispanic" as some would put it. I'm assuming that a lot of this has to do with the way I compose myself, what I do for a living, how I act, and most importantly, the way I dress.

    My point? I'm physically more attracted to white girls, but in general, all the characteristics mentioned above hold some proper weight. I would never be opposed to dating a diverse selection of women. If a woman is attractive, she's attractive. That simple.

  • ShirleyD@xanga

    dont we all have preferences? you will only date someoneif they are extremely intelligent. or if they are a certain height. there are those who only like people of a certain body type. skinny? a little chub? a whole lotta chub? this person will only date after a certain age group, no one younger... maybe no one older. someone will only date someone rumored to have a big penis. maybe this other person will only date someone with great looking feet. this other one may only like people with green eyes, no one else. and then maybe another is only attraced to paler skin, the other maybe darker skinned. or this one has yellow fever, as someone called it. lol. point is, if we all call our preferences fetishes... then suddenly there are a lot of fetishes out there. but we arent making a big deal out of people who only like others with cute feet. or about guys who like small girls or women, tall men. so who cares? i guess my real point is that. whatevs. lol

  • TomTea@xanga

    "Now I'm not sure I completely understand this. She has a clear preference for lighter haired caucasian men, and I'm sure she would think it ridiculous if any of them ever insinuated that she might only be interested in them because they are white.  It's not a "thing", it's simply who she usually finds herself attracted to.  So why does it seem hard for her to understand that some guys might genuinely find themselves more attracted to Asian women"

    Media plays a role in what and how your female friend sees men and which of the racial groups are considered "desirable." In American TV and movies, you'll rarely, if ever, see Asian male leads who plays the primary character and "gets the girl at the end." It doesn't matter what genre the movie or show is: drama, horror, action, adventure, romantic comedy, etc. Think Rush Hour (with Jackie Chan), Kiss of the Dragon and Lethal Weapon 4 (with Jet Li), Bullet Proof Monk (with Chow-Yun Fat)--these films portray Asian males as mainly kung fu masters, an expert in weaponry/killing arts, or some stoic leader who teaches a "white" pupil to become a master of sorts, who in turn, will get the girl, usually of Asian descent, at the end of the movie. In Nora's Playlist (with Michael Cera), there's the Asian male character who was characterized as simply gay with long hair and chopstick-like skinny body just to stamp down that point that he is not a desirable character. Cera's character, which is just like the Asian male character in every aspect--personality, body type, looks--(except the color of his skin and short crop hair)--is 'somehow' portrayed as desirable in the film. He gets Nora at the end of the film. What does he do that makes him different? Supposedly despite all his flaws, he still has the balls to go out and get what he wants--but when you think about it, this is a universal human trait. Anyone can go out and get what he or she wants, if you have the desire, passion, and drive for it. It doesn't make him special that he 'happens' to be able to do that. 

    Even in TV shows like Smallville where Kristin Kreuk who is a mixture of Chinese and Canadian/Dutch heritage, "falls in love" with a white male lead character, namely Clark Kent (Tom Welling). She looks Asian enough to play an Asian character but you can clearly tell that she has those "European" features too (even though she isn't really European), namely high cheek bones, broad forehead, round eyes, full, round lips, etc. She even played Chun-Li in that recent Street Fighter film. The director could have chosen a more appropriate Asian female lead character, like a real Chinese woman to play a Chinese female lead character for instance, but no, they chose a half Chinese, half Canadian Dutch woman to play that role instead. Chun-Li, in the realm of gaming and comics, is a Chinese woman. They chose Kristin Kreuk, in my humble opinion, not because she's well known in the filming industry but because she has Asian enough features but not so Asian that the catered audience--mainly White folks--won't feel estranged by her looks or feel like they can't relate. Plus, it's not like there's a 'shortage' of Asian female stars in American TV/films. There's Maggie Cheung who starred in "Hero" with Jet Li, Tony Leung, Donnie Yen, and Zhang Ziyi (the same girl who played in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon). Both of them are Chinese and both of them would have made great Asian female leads. Michelle Yeow could have done it too. Hell! Even the picture of Lucy Liu that you posted could have played Chun-Li.  



    Anyway, it's very little wonder, in my humble opinion, that your friend has this strong desire for White men but have absolutely no idea why she is attracted to mainly White men with light colored hair. In other words, the classic blonde hair with blue eyes kind of White men--the typical Aryan racial characteristics. 

    This is a pandemic in Southern California, especially in all the white-dominated or white majority towns and cities like San Diego, Santa Monica, Santa Cruz, Beverly Hills, Long Beach, Claremont, Fontana, Lancaster, San Bernardino, etc. Don't get me wrong though. I know I make it sound like it is a catastrophe but it's not. It's just more common here in these particular regions of California than it is anywhere else in all of the other 49 states of the USA. 
  • handsthatforget@xanga

    I'm African-American, and even before I was exposed much to the media, I preferred white males. This is before I'd seen TV or movies. It's natural for me. In fact, the little bit of media that I was exposed to when I was very little was black magazines, with handsome black men on the covers and throughout the pages of the periodical. My preference for white males is just that: a preference. It does happen that way for some people. It's not something I can fight.

    Oh, I like Asian males, too.

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