Thursday, 19 May 2011

  • Ban Circumcision on Newborns: Now We're Making Progress!


    A number of months ago, I wrote an article debating the legality of neonatal circumcision. It was a particularly popular post (340 comments, whew!) which sparked numerous debates between users. Both sides brought up great and interesting points about the benefits and detriments of cutting the skin at birth, restoring the foreskin, and the pains of surgically removing it at an older age. Others chimed in about the aesthetics of penises and their personal encounters with a wide variety of dicks. To demonstrate, I hand-picked a couple of gems for your convenience.

    "Uncut Peni are disgusting. The end. That will be the first thing that gets done to my son." - Some random user.

    "When I have a daughter, you know, I'll make her labias and clitoral hood get removed. It's so much cleaner. Natural vaginas are disgusting."
    - A sarcastic user.

    "To any uncircumcised male adults out there: You would get 1000 times more blow jobs if you had it done. No woman likes to give an uncircumcised male head. We might fake it but sorry guys, we like the cleaner package." - An awful, awful woman.

    It was a non-stop parade of wit, stupidity and of course, intactivism.

    Upon reading the news that banning circumcision would be on the ballot in San Francisco this November, I couldn't help but grin. If this measure passes, it would be illegal to circumcise any male under the age of 18, and failure to abide by the law would result in up to 1 year in prison, or a fine as high as $1,000. Over 7,700 valid signatures were received from citizens. In order to qualify, an initiative must receive at least 7,160 signatures. One could say it made it on the ballot by the skin of its teeth!


    Cherubs were floating about in the nude, their wistful demeanor dissipating in an air of satisfaction. A choir of angelic phalluses filled the heavens with a rich, golden display, as they trumpeted onwards to victory. The omnipotent, all-knowing penile holy spirit had transformed a blessing into a stroke of luck, and a tug at the heartstrings. All seemed right in penis heaven.

    Then the music stopped.

    Suddenly, the baby Jesus began to cry, reflecting on his 8th day when brit milah ceremoniously claimed his foreskin. The heavens blackened, and a radio began to play "One Step Forward" by The Desert Rose Band. "One step forward and two steps back, nobody gets too far like that." The new sound took to the airwaves, and static began to defile my eardrums.

    There would be no religious exemptions. Are you kidding me?

    As much of an advocate as I am for the protection of male penises, this is a line I'm not willing to cut. First and foremost, I respect personal religious decisions, as insane as some of them may be. I don't condone childhood Baptism either, but it's a religious tradition followed by many Christians and I won't deny them their religious rights. Secondly, these religious exemptions would create a conflagration of legal battles in regards to First Amendment rights, many times larger than California wildfires. This would invalidate the measure, and all progress would be for naught.

    On the other hand, it may be a precaution to ensure that parents don't fake their religious identities to circumvent the circumcision ban. However, I value religious freedoms so the idea that Jewish parents for example, would be punished for daring to follow Halakha doesn't sit well with me.

    Intactivists might be fighting for the cause, but they're overstepping some boundaries. They're rightfully fighting a battle against genital mutilation which is very uncommon in most countries outside of the United States. It's unnecessary, unnatural, and males should not be denied the right to remain intact. At the same time, they're denying religious rights which every citizen should be allowed to exercise. It's a sticky situation, all in all.

    Many will claim that as legal guardians, parents have the authority to decide what's best for their child, even if it means snipping off Mr. Pee-Pee's garments. How insensitive! But what's a guy to do later on if they're unhappy with the way it looks? There are many males who are actively trying to restore their foreskin, but it will never match being naturally intact. Hair grows back and earlobes close, but you better believe the foreskin isn't coming back for an encore.

    Circumcision is on a steep decline in the U.S. which suggests that the message is being heard. Americans are finally starting to join the rest of the world, ditching barbaric rituals in favor of reason and a male's right to autonomy as well as physical integrity. The rate of circumcision has dropped about 23 percent since 2006, where incidence hovered at 56 percent.

    A colorful and funny chart.

    A less colorful, but more accurate chart.


    Politics aside, men should love their bodies as they are. If you're hooded, retract the negativity born out of American pornography and have fun. Be content. If you're a baldy, dry that eye and take comfort in the fact that you're in the majority within the States. Be content.

    Here are some points from the original article:

    • American-made pornography is littered with hairy, overweight men thrusting their skinless ding-dongs in various directions, so the average American female will consider cut penises to be the standard, accepted, and expected look. In Europe, women are exposed to uncircumcised penises far more often, and find circumcised penises to vary between looking "absolutely hideous" and being a "godless abomination."
    • The foreskin allows for a natural lubrication to form, most likely in place to prevent yourself from feeling like a dried up 84-year-old, dousing the 'ol rod in grape seed oil. In contrast, if a male's foreskin just doesn't do it for his masturbation sessions in front of the mirror, it can be removed through a procedure, which would avoid the chances of a sexual partner's gag reflexes violently spazzing out, resulting in projectile vomit from the sight of such ugly, smelly skin.
    • Foreskin preservation ranks up there along with curing cancer and rigging the Oscars as one of the most important topics of our time.

    In conclusion, I'm elated knowing that significant progress is being made. I hope it becomes a trend and spreads to other parts of the country. God bless you, future foreskin warriors.

    Where do you stand on the issue? Is foreskin the future?


    Make it illegal, refuse to spread-eagle!
    Skin removal is mutilation, demand emancipation!
    Give the child a choice, at 8 days old you have no voice!
    Genital rights, hear our plight!

    Indoctrination, what's the price?
    A life-long victim of this vice!

    Sincerely,
    Nuñez Love Doctor.

    Certified with a PhD in Circumisms and Skinheads.

     

    Addendum: Further Reading in Regards to Religious Rights

    When I was younger and angrier (thank you anarcho punk), I would agree with the restriction of religious rights in a case like this. Even while writing the article, a part of me wanted to say "Fuck it, circumcision is wrong and there really shouldn't be any religious exemptions." I've become a little more tolerant of religion over the past few years due to encounters with people whose very core revolves around their religious beliefs and freedoms. There are people who live to appease their God, and there are many interpretations of religious writings. While I do believe that newborns should be left intact, I also give thought to the lives of the aforementioned people.

    Just like the Jehovah's Witness who refuses blood transfusions or has to go knocking door-to-door spreading their word by Biblical law, religious practices can run so deep that the fear of God overtakes the follower (dictates their need to perform circumcision in this case) and an outright restriction on these beliefs would surely damage them emotionally and mentally. This could potentially transfer over to the child in the future.

    If I had to make an argument against religion, and I have on numerous occasions, I'd say that the negative psychological effects that children sometimes inherit from being exposed to religious ideas (such as the fear of death or impending doom because of the idea of a literal hell or Armageddon, for example) is far more harmful and abusive than the snipping of the foreskin. But at what point do we restrict people of their religious rights? At what age should a child be religiously independent? We would have to outlaw the spreading of religion in order to fix these problems. Now, who am I to say God doesn't exist? I'm agnostic and while I lean more towards atheism, I don't discount the idea of a God or a legitimate message for humanity to follow.

    In regards to a common example given about allowing Muslims to fly planes into buildings (or to add, allowing "suicide bombings"), the Qur'an does not condone these acts of violence, nor do actual followers practice Radical Islam. The Qur'an is simply distorted and used to justify martyrdom and war against non-believers by extremists. As a result, I don't think that point has any validity.

Comments (727)

  • CecilliaMarie@xanga

    My husband and I have chosen to circumcise our son when he's born in July. Although he's both our son, I left the decision ultimately up to my husband because I don't have that body part. My husband was not circumcised right after birth and at the age of 3 ended up getting a serious infection from it not being clean enough resulting in him getting circumcised at that age. He doesn't want our son to go through that (or to have the chance of going through that) so he's very firm in his decision :)

  • TiredSoVeryTired@xanga

    Circumcised penises scare me.  I like the normal skin an intact penis has.  "Shut up" to the awful, awful woman you quoted above.

    But I am against religious circumcision of newborns also.  I think every person (even children born into religions that circumcise) has a right to their own body when it comes to something not medically necessary.  I wouldn't make it illegal to travel for one though for religious purposes.

  • StatelessPilot@revelife

    It's about time the United States makes some progress in ridding itself of this "medical procedure" that is more akin to surgical rape. 



    I live in Merida, Mexico now. Do you know how many guys are circumcised around here? NEXT TO NONE. It's not done here or anywhere else in the developed world except for the United States of America (hey, yet another reason I get to hate my former home country). You know how many penis problems the men have around here? No more than anywhere else, including the US. There's just no medical reason to do this, as is demonstrated by other countries' general unwillingness to perform the procedure. 

    I stand by what I've always said. I believe parents who sign their kids up for this "procedure" should be strapped to a gurney with a needle stuck in their arm, along with the doctor performing the procedure. I have zero tolerance for this procedure, and further, I have absolutely zero respect for parents who put their sons through this kind of unnecessary physical and psychological torture (explanation of that to come later). Don't even pull the religious card either. What about the religious freedom of the child? A child is NOT born a given religion (and that includes yours, Jews and Muslims), so technically forcing circumcision on your kids is a violation of religious freedom - the kid's religious freedom. 

    I mentioned physical and psychological torture. Intact men enjoy three to four times more sensitivity than do those who are not intact. The sexual experience is more gratifying to an intact man, due to the insane number of highly sensitive nerve endings (roughly 20K) located on the underside of the foreskin. Further, it is psychological torture. After coming to the realization of what I'd lost, I felt like less of a man. I became angry, hurt, depressed. When it came time for me to decide whether or not to donate my kidney to my father who was suffering from severe kidney disease, I chose not too. The main reason? HE was the one that wanted me cut. There were other reasons, but that was the main one and the one that ultimately tipped me toward not donating it to him. He died as a result, and I don't really feel bad about that (haven't cried a single tear over his death). 

    In short, this procedure is disgusting, and ALL children should have the right to genital integrity (male, female, and intersexed). 
  • wildchildofthebluemoon@xanga

    I just read a post about pros and cons to circumcision, and it was talking about if your man is uncircumsized, you can nibble on the foreskin.  Sorry, but I don't think I could bring myself to do that.

  • StatelessPilot@revelife

    @TiredSoVeryTired@xanga - I'm a Christian and am opposed to religious circumcision as well. Read my reasoning above. 

  • momofjenmatt@xanga

    OMG I just wrote the longest comment and it got eaten.  The jist.  I am Jewish, my son's bris was very meaningful to me and my family and wasn't ridiculous at all.  I think it is healthy for medical reasons, and would do it again.  My son barley cried and it was done at home by someone who does them all the time.  I fed him right after and he fell asleep.  However i can see the other side too, and no one likes to think of a baby being mutilated.  So I think it needs to be an individual choice by parents until more is known.  I don't agree with it being against the law and I certainly don't want the government to say Jews can't do something they feel G-d commanded them to do since biblical times. Or like the woman above me said, they don't want their son o get an infection and have to do it at an older age.  It should be left up to the parents.

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  • Asinine_Dreams@xanga

    I like the look of circumcised penises, and I honestly think uncircumcised ones are ugly.

    Like I said on the other post, I don't really care about the issue. I'm quite neutral in my stance, and the circumcision of my baby will be left up to my husband. My current boyfriend says that he wants his sons circumcised so if we end up married and with children, then they will be circumcised.

  • Lordv16@xanga

    Kinda bummed about losing that extra sensitivity now....

  • Asinine_Dreams@xanga

    @momofjenmatt@xanga - I'm just curious. Why did you censor the word "God" in your post?

  • quasarglow@xanga
    I've only dated hispanic guys and apparently hispanics don't circumcise. Uncut is my preference. Not only because it's what I'm used to but because I feel like circumcision is pointless, cruel and ignorant. Leave the penises how nature intended!
  • Grtt@xanga

    I'm totally against routine infant circumcision for any reason. The religious rights of one should not impede on the rights to one's own body of another. I don't care if they're the kid's parents or not.

    And frankly, as many times as women have told me my opinion on abortion is irrelevant because I have no uterus, I really wish they would keep their opinions to themselves on circumcision and how 'ugly' a uncircumcised penis is. Sorry you feel that way, ladies! There's always vagina if you really can't stand the uncut peen.

    If someone is really pro-choice in that they believe every human being has a right to do with their body as they please, then 'just because it's ugly' isn't an argument that's going to fly, and makes a pro-choice woman who would chop off her hypothetical son's foreskin in the name of vanity nothing but a hypocrite.

  • quasarglow@xanga
    @Asinine_Dreams@xanga -  It's a Jewish custom. They believe it's wrong to write the word God on anything that can be deleted or erased or thrown away or something.
  • Asinine_Dreams@xanga

    @quasarglow@xanga - Ah, thank you for that clarification.

    Now I'm really embarrassed of how ignorant I am of Judaism. :[

  • quasarglow@xanga
    @wildchildofthebluemoon@xanga - Why? It's just a part of the penis. Being grossed out by the foreskin is like a guy being grossed out by your labia.
  • AsylumBlue

    To women saying that intact penises are ugly or disgusting:

    How would you feel if men openly ragged on women for having massive areolae eating up most of the tit like a pancake in milk? Oh, but you were born that way. It's natural. Those guys are scum!

    How would you feel if men routinely discussed how unattractive a vagina with extra skin or a larger clitoral hood is? Fucking assholes, those guys!

    Think about it.

  • glittershadow@xanga

    As my boyfriend said "I'm quite fine with my circumcised penis...I have no trouble reaching climax" I'm still on the fence about whether or not I'll circumcise my baby but I have at least another 10 years to decide that...

    No one here better try to sway me one way or another because IT'S NOT YOUR FUCKING CHOICE. It's not the government's either. You can't ban something that's the parent's choice. There are people that will go great miles to go get a dangerous, underground circumcision if doctors aren't preforming it. Hell, there will be some crazy people preforming it on their own baby if it's banned. Look at what happened when abortions were banned. I much rather see doctors preforming it than untrained professionals because that may just be worse for the baby's penis...

  • Asinine_Dreams@xanga

    @AsylumBlue - It's just a preference. It's just like guys who say that flat tits on a girl are ugly and make her look like a man while other men dig smaller breasts.

    Again, I don't think uncircumcised penises look good, but that doesn't mean if I found out a guy had an uncircumcised penis, I'd scream out, "OH HELL NO. I'm not fucking that!". If my boyfriend had an uncircumcised penis, I'd still make love him to like I do now, because I love him because of who he is and not because of what his penis looks like.

  • AsylumBlue

    @glittershadow@xanga - Any parent who's willing to put the care of their child's penis in the hands of a shady or untrained individual should have their kid revoked by a child protection agency. Would a sane parent really go to great, unsafe lengths to perform an unnecessary procedure?

  • hallentine@xanga

    @StatelessPilot@revelife - people like you are the reason i no longer have hope for humanity

  • glittershadow@xanga

    @AsylumBlue - No but those insane parents wouldn't have a doctor if it weren't available. It was the same went with abortions and there were surprising amounts of dangerous illegal abortions preformed during the time they weren't allowed.

  • glittershadow@xanga

    @hallentine@xanga - Believe me, there are more crazies just like him. There was a special about them on Sunday night...they're called "Foreskin Restorers" 

  • AsylumBlue

    @glittershadow@xanga - You can't compare an abortion to snipping a piece of skin, though. They're on two completely different levels. What's stopping a parent from physically abusing or putting their child in harm's way as things are now? It's a crime, but it's still being done. Sad, but true. We try to find these worthless shits to confine to a cell.

    Circumcision as it stands, is a procedure which violates a male's natural penile form, except the legality of it allows parents to have it mutilated at their beck and call. Of course banning circumcision would bring out some crazies, but those very people are around whether the ban is enforced or not. People are afraid of change, even if it's in the interest of progress. With time, as it becomes accepted, the incidence rate would lower significantly.

    As I mentioned in my post, circumcision is on a decline so there will be less resistance with time as parents realize how unnecessary and cruel circumcision is.

  • SweetNGuilty@xanga

    @quasarglow@xanga - Isn't this the reason they started doing labia plastic surgery?

  • glittershadow@xanga

    @AsylumBlue - IT'S NOT YOUR DECISION THOUGH NOR IS IT THE GOVERNMENTS. Why don't you understand that? It's a parent's choice and it's nothing dangerous. So who the fuck cares. 

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