I had a conversation with a guy yesterday. We both found it extremely interesting for opposite reasons. Which I then, naturally, found interesting.
He was referring to an instance where our mutual friend was told she looked like a "Stripper from Paper" (I didn't know what this meant, but "Paper" is a little boys' club if ya know what I mean). This started a conversation about how it was a degrading comment to make, yet that it was amusing that they should frequent a strip club while so young.
Which turned the conversation to how sad it was that these boys were (we suspect soberly!) throwing their hard-earned money from working at fast food restaurants (realistically about a day's pay in one fistful, from what I know as an ex-Friendly's waitress) at these women who just..well..take off their clothes.
What I found surprising about what happened next was that he was surprised. What he found surprising was what I said.
Which is why I now share it with you, as something I hope will be commonsense in future years.
It's funny to me that strip clubs somehow got twisted into something degrading to women. Why, because we're material-obsessed consumers who get sickened by the idea of nakedness, by openly having less than someone else? Clothes do not protect you from SHIT, the whole "vulnerability" thing associated with nakedness has got to go.
A strip club is an extremely manipulative and genius operation, wherein women simply take off clothing, abusing the sexual nature (I'll argue it's natural, hormones and whatever) of men for their own gain. They slowly drain the blood of male heads towards their other ends, so that precious bills from 8-hour laboring and the pride that builds with corporate composure is tossed as carelessly as one another towards an insatiable desire for sex....which they actually won't end up having. (Usually, usually.)
So women who work a few hours every other night (or every night - hell, I would if I'm doing it anyway) with little to no labor make about 8-16 times as much as all the idiot audience members they reel in, scooping up cash and smiling as they sinisterly acknowledge that not one paying, hormonally brainwashed customer will be happy they did so in the morning.
Much as I and really every existent female disagrees with the once-stereotypical impression of the seductress as an evil witch, I must say that there appears to be some circuits in the male anatomy that do enable spell-like processes to take masterly effect.
Furthermore, let's talk about prostitution for a second. How "degrading" is it that two people are engaging in the same dirty act, but one gets paid for it?
What if I walked into a dance club and started bumpin' and grindin' with every male in there? I look like I'm having a grand old time, they're all respectively beginning to think we're onto a good thing here, when suddenly - I turn around and demand that every single one of my dance partners pays me.
Would they not think me absurd? Would they not exclaim - "Well hell! We were both dancing, weren't we?" They would. To which I would reply: "Yes we were, now pay up." And they would.
You must all agree, this would be extremely degrading.....to me.
What do you think?
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sex isnt the same to a prostitue as it is for others. to them, sex is buisness, not an act of love.
Interesting view on this.
I find nothing wrong with the concept of strippers and prostitutes. If that's what they like to do, and they're taking precautions, more power to them.
But a lot of strippers and prostitutes are women who have no where else to turn, who didn't envision their life to be like that. That's sad.
Stripping, from what I heard, is not actually easy work. My mom was friends with one when I was younger. It's a workout, and actually pretty dangerous. I give them kudos. I would love to be able to do that.
Personally, I value respect over money, which is why I could never do stripping, prostitution, or even certain photoshoots (I do fashion modeling but never lingerie or nude photos). Doing that kind of work just makes it seem like I'm giving myself a monetary value, when I should be seeing myself as priceless.
But everyone sees things differently. One person might see stripping as empowerment, but someone else might see money as a means of getting people to do what they want.
I've got a stripper friend and it makes me sick the amount of money she brings home. SICK! If I had boobs, you bet I'd be up there showing some skin. Boob hypnosis...
Good Post!
I never thought I'd say this but I kinda have more respect for strippers/prostitutes who are getting more benefits from their services than people who have one night stands or those sex buddies where they use each other like a sex toy business transaction except nobody gets paid. to each their own. I think the men should feel degraded that they pay their hard earned cash to see a naked woman instead of getting an actual gf or maybe some of them do have gfs who just won't strip for him like these women would.
I'm seriously considering stripping to put myself through school. My mother gave me permission to become a cage dancer . . . my mom is awesome.
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I like your view on the topic. Good post!
I have much respect for hookers, escorts, pornstars, and strippers. You sacrifice a lot for the business. You grow up a lot faster.I personally have considered these occupations and there's a chance I would accept an offer, if given the opportunity. The money would be great for business school, which is about to cost a fortune.@my_horizon@xanga - i completely agree with both of your sentiments.
Money is money and that's their business. I mean people could say that they lack pride and dignity for them to be doing that and others say that they have guts and confidence to even go through with it. We'll never really know. Some of them love their body and want to share their body and some have no choice. I think I'd rather be stripper than a prostitute though.
i don't really have a problem with strippers and hookers. the only thing i fear is their safety since their occupation will attract some psychos and they could be in a vulnerable position....
when i turned 21, i jokingly asked my dad for permission to start stripping. very seriously, he said that if HE could get paid hundreds a night just to get up on stage and dance around naked in heels, he would have switched careers long ago.
the only pathetic people in strip clubs are the guys who are there spending money on something they could be getting at home for free (if they're even capable of getting girlfriends). the strippers are laughing all the way to the bank.
first, i have to say i have no judgment toward their occupation. you do what you have to. so
second, the problem is not their occupation. the problem with your post is that you do not address why some women are driven to do those things.
if you are stripping to pay for college, i commend you. if you like showing off your body, go for it.
but lots of women are forced to do these things because there is nothing left for them to do. they feel trapped into it. some of them probably have no choice.
and prostituting isn't about women enjoying sex. lots of these guys are married or can't get laid. it's about male pleasure, not an act of primal passion.
this isn't even getting into the psychosocial aspect of the whole thing, which can be pretty fucked up.
i wish these occupations were glorified stances from women about being in control of their body and enjoying sex. but they really aren't.
Are you defending strippers and hookers, or slanting them to be the villain of the story? Although I really like this post, it's good.
You make some pretty interesting points. When you think about it though, is being a stripper really that degrading if you're chosing to do it...and making a helluva lot more cash than you would working a 9 to 5 office gig? And I think the whole money for sex thing just goes to show how dumb guys are that they feel they need to get a 'quick fix' rather than be in an ACTUAL relationship with a woman...in which said guys could have sexual relations FOR FREE! I guess they're just too lazy, desparate, or lack the confidence...
Seriously! Strippers must make some good money. I wouldn't ever do it, but I bet they're all laughing their way to the bank. Next time you think about a stripper being trashy, you should think about how she's actually being kind of smart with it.
@TheCatInTheCradle@xanga - Ive been a stripper for several years and I personally know several escorts. I've also done the "research" on the kinds of backward feminism that blames these kinds of jobs for repressing and damaging the psyche of women. For the majority of sex workers this is just not the case (I'm talking legal age consensual. Don't straw-man me with that "but what about the 12 year old whores in NYC!!!" I know about them and I'm not talking about them). This is a common view people have because there is a minority of women who "force" themselves into the business for whatever physiologically fucked up reason. Men (and women alike) who know nothing about the business have the AUDACITY to tell me and my comrades that we are not really in control- we are not empowered, and you feel sad for us. Maybe it's because you've never done it-seducing an entire room of people with the motion of your body, the look in your eyes and absolutely no words can be one of the most self-empowering beautiful things you can ever do in your life.
Really.
So unless you spend some real time in the business... I mean... as many years as I have getting to know all the players (porn stars, DJs, managers, strippers, escorts, street whores so on ect) don't make yourself look like a fucking idiot by touting pity for people who don't need it.
@pulchravalida1988@xanga - "And I think the whole money for sex thing just goes to show how dumb guys are that they feel they need to get a 'quick fix' rather than be in an ACTUAL relationship with a woman...in which said guys could have sexual relations FOR FREE!"
As opposed to buying dinners and movies -- in addition to -- spending weeks of dating in order to get a woman to feel a certain way before they sleep with you....
A.) It's not free. B.) Hookers are cheaper than girlfriends and wives.
Just figured I point out the irony as well as speak the truth about how wrong your statement is.
You may now get off your high horse.
Touche! ....But the question is which scenario would you prefer? Spending MORE money on a woman who has a great personality and actually cares for you....or paying money to have sex with a dirty whore who probably has slept with at least 100 other guys....
Maybe paying THAT much is worth it?
@Salivarysatisfaction - Cool. That's exactly the point I was trying to make with this post. That attitude that people are "driven" to these low, oh-ever-so-low-and-shameful occupations is just offensive. You put it better than I did.
My major problem with the sex industry is that not all participants are there of their own free will.