Friday, 02 July 2010
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10 Simple Rules for Dating My Daughter
So, I saw Dan's post, "some people are evil", a very thoughtful post I might add. The thing that stood out to me most was what he had to say about how someone could tell what kind of employee someone would be based on how they treat a waitress. This reminded me of some of the things I taught my cousin.
So, here you have it, 10 simple rules to date my daughter, or cousin, or whatever.
1. When you are on a date pay attention to how he treats the waitress.
- If he respects her, that's good. He is more likely to respect you.
- If he flirts with her, that is definitely bad. He doesn't respect you, and may even cheat.
- If he disrespects her, run. He will never respect you if he can't respect the waitress.
- And he better tip her well, if he doesn't run. He doesn't respect her, is stingy or cheap, or isn't grateful for what he is given. Any of the three is bad. (Most guys will hide the tip, I know I do. Try to see it anyway, if he doesn't tip at least 20% you should probably run. More on tipping here.)
2. If he expects you to "go dutch" then this is a definite warning sign. If he asked you out he should be able to pay for the date. There can be exceptions to this however, especially after a few dates. Or if he is a broke college student. He should pay for the date, but don't break the guy either! He shouldn't be sponging money off of her, being broke is one thing, sponging off her is not right.
3. You should feel safe and protected around him, but not suffocated. He isn't your babysitter, but he should always have your best interest in mind. He should never put you in a situation that you feel unsafe in. He should also be more interested in protecting your purity than you are. This means that he shouldn't be willing to go somewhere that he would be alone with you.
4. He needs to respect your parents and anyone else in authority over you. For the sake of my cousin this includes respecting me. This would also include her church's pastor, if she attends, or other spiritual leaders or mentors. (All Christians should be under authority.) This is even more important if she lives with her parents. For the younger readers out there he needs to have her back by curfew and obey any other rules set down by her parents or others in authority in her life.
I know I'm more traditional than many, perhaps more than most, but for the ladies that live with their parents or are in college I think the man should ask her parent's permission to date her as well. (Clearly this isn't always a possibility)
5. This relates to rule #4. He needs to be under authority in his own life and have accountability. From what I've read 60% of males (and 30% of females) use porn on a regular basis. This is totally unacceptable and needs to be dealt with. If he doesn't have any accountability in his life he is likely given over to this or other things that will only serve to hurt him, her, or both of them. He should also have a mentor that his leading and teaching him.
6. He needs to respect his parents. His father figure should ideally be a man he looks up to and listens to. This goes along with rule #5 as well, his father should be an authority figure in his life, but based out of respect for him not fear of discipline or punishment. Also, how he treats his mother is crucial! How his father treats his mother is important as well.
If he doesn't treat his mother well, there is no reason to believe he will treat you any better than he does her. Does he help her out where he can? Does he ever speak ill of her? Would you want him to treat you the way he treats her?
7. He should have similar values and morals to what she has. If you have different beliefs you will constantly clash. As Paul the apostle said, we need to be equally yoked. For Christians this includes not only being Christian, but if possible being of non-clashing beliefs. A Catholic and a Southern Baptist are probably going to have issues. Or a Christian and an atheist will probably have serious issues. This would become even more important if the couple were to get married and have children. What would the children be taught?
8. He needs to respect her individuality. He shouldn't be trying to change her, and she shouldn't be trying to change him. That isn't saying both shouldn't be trying to better themselves, as we all should, but you shouldn't approach someone with the hope of changing them into what you want them to be. He should encourage her to be herself, not someone else.
9. He needs to have a plan for his future. If he is content to work at McDonald's for the rest of his life he probably isn't the one for my daughter. I can understand that some are not financially stable, and I'm not suggesting that everyone should wait until they are financially stable. But, he should have goals in mind, and a plan for the future. The future doesn't mean a career plan necessarily, but he needs a plan for the future.
He should also have marriage in mind. Not that he should know that he wants to marry her before the first date. But, dating isn't just for playing around, his intent should be finding a suitable mate. If he isn't serious enough for this, he isn't serious enough to be dating my daughter.
10. He should own a sword and carry it with him at all times. Okay, maybe that is a metaphor for a bible? Either that or I couldn't come up with number 10. But, having a sword and being prepared to slay anything that would harm her seems like a good thing.
Do you have different standards for dating? Why? How did you come up with your standards?
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Comments (87)
This seems more religious than dating...?
Bah... outdated dating rules and gender roles
1 and 2 - fine
3 - somehow i doubt a guy's going to be more interested in protecting your purity than you
4 - yes, except for the permission to date thing
5 - i'm not sure how accountability and porn go together
6 , 7, 8 - all good
9 - to me, dating is all about finding out what you want. if you're young, thinking about marriage before you know what you want is not good
10 - ......ok theni think some of these are over the top and even a little offensive for general dating rules.
#3: this one was going alright until we get to the end. he's not allowed to be alone with her? are we 13 still and have to have mommy around when the girlfriend/boyfriend is over?
#5: what if the guy's independent at a young age but responsible? i've basically been under no real authority since 15 but have been working hard, going to school, and achieving financial security.
#6: really with the father requirement? i can guarentee you a guy doesn't need to even be civil with his father to develop into a decent person. we still stuck in the 19th century with the patriarch-centered family?
#7: i agree with the first statement, but the rest is crap. your daughter couldn't date someone of another religion or spiritual belief system? way to keep the world a nice and closed-minded place.
#10: i dunno if you want this guy to carry a weapon, but if that's the case i think you're a little crazy. unless you're a drug dealer you don't need to carry weapons 24/7.
#6: I am not dating a guy's parents, I am dating him. I have dated several great guys whose fathers frankly weren't worth a lot of respect.
#4: "....and anyone else in authority over you": Sorry, I am in authority over myself. My parents and I have a great relationship, and while I respect them, I think they would agree that the "authority" phase passed along with my inability to vote or drink.
I love number 10, well the sword part at least. haha. Maybe just because I love swords. My husband collects them, so when I get to buy some for him it's a plus for me. :) Some of these are nice ideas but others are ridiculous imo. I completely disagree with number 7. You should love someone for who they are not because their religion is different than yours. I knew an atheist who was married to a very Christian woman and they were very happy. Plus if I went by this I would not talk to my parents (who are also very religious, while I believe in something vert different). Heck, even my husband and I aren't exactly on the same page with religion but I still love him.
People develop standards from watching the people around them and from dating. I learned a lot from my love interests in life (what I wanted, what I hated, etc.). This list seems to be mirrored off of religious, cultural, and surrounding influences. Not my cup of tea, but to each his own.This. I LIKE this. ALL of it.
Very good job.
@herdaddysgirl@xanga - Thanks. :)
I agree with almost nothing here. This is fine, for some people, I suppose, but you're obviously pretty heavily rooted in an antiquated, male-dominated, structured society that doesn't strike me as being particularly relevant today.
I am a Christian (and a waitress lol) so I agree with a lot of these, but not all.
I grew up in a very traditional family. Boys were expected to come knock on the door, shake my dad's hand, and get the rules. Trust me this was certainly enough to separate the losers from the good ones. The losers would freak out that they were meeting their 18 year old date's family that early in the game and the good one's took it all in stride willing to do whatever it took to get a chance to get to know me or one of my three sisters better. But I don't think that asking a girl's dad if he can date her is appropriate especially if she is in college (18+). I feel that it is taking the girl's right to choose her own future for herself and DISRESPECTING her by telling her she is incapable of making that decision. I understand that good ol' christian boys typically look at women's rights and gender inequality as a natural part of life that women just need to accept as right and normal, even biblical, but that just isn't the case. To tell a women that she will always belong to one man or another and never get to make an important decision concerning her own life because she is incapable and stupid (in only the most charming and feminine way of course) is wrong. It is a cultural tip of the hat for a guy to ask for a girl's hand in marriage, it is a symbol of an earlier, more chauvinistic time, but it is a part of our culture, no harm done. But to ask a girl's dad if you can date their adult daughter is not something anyone does or even expects. It is something a guy would only expect if they did not respect women as thinking individuals and I will agree that everyone needs accountability and authority, but that hardly means ownership and loss of free will.
Oh and respect your momma, but don't be a momma's boy. That isn't fair to your future wife.
And the other thing, a guy should be respectful to everyone they come into contact with, and I don't know your relationship with your cousin, but it is kind of weird that you are considering yourself an authority figure in her life.
go back to revelife.
Because it's true, you gotta have some plans for the future...if not for who you're dating but for yourself mostly. And I agree with only maybe that one statement..the rest I don't. They seem outdated thinking honestly. There are too many exceptions to the rules.
I somewhat agree with most of it but some are weird LOL and I am pretty traditional just not christian lol
i like all of those very nice
These are great rules, especially for younger girls. Maybe they seem outdated to some, but not everything that is old school is automatically a bad idea. If you're interested in cultivating respectful relationships with an eye toward marriage, then these are pretty helpful guidelines.
Even the sword.
I like, I like, I looove!
This makes me unbelievably happy. There are hardly ANY, if not zero, men, boys, girls, women, who have any morals and values. And not just religious morals, but dating morals. It seems like the population has decreased. A LOT.Also, I would just like to add, that if you had/have a daughter, she would end up very well!@Ballisticfutbol@xanga - I respect your opinions, we're all entitled to them; however, I think the point he was trying to make was that you have to be a good man to have a healthy relationship with anyone. With the father thing? What I got out of it is that.... a sane, healthy-minded person, wouldn't hold a grudge over anyone, especially their family. It shows love and forgiveness. You only get one set of people that you call your family. So why waste a rare relationship because they're human? It's simply stressful and pitiful. While I don't know your life, I do know what it's like for your father (and mother) to continue to disappoint you. After a while, you have to face reality. The reality that you choose is entirely up to you. But why make it resentful and pointless? Make it count.
Also, I do believe the last point was sarcasm.@Gorrific@xanga - I agree.
Your rules are based way too much on your religion. Not everyone is a Christian, so not everyone is going to follow these.
And really, how do accountability and porn fit together?
I disagree with the porn one and the morality one.
I am an atheist. My girlfriend is Mormon. We believe very different things and have different moral standards, but we make it work and we are very happy.
I thoroughly agree with everything else though.
John
ok, what do porn and accountability have to do with one another?
"He should also have marriage in mind. Not that he should know that he wants to marry her before the first date. But, dating isn't just for playing around, his intent should be finding a suitable mate. If he isn't serious enough for this, he isn't serious enough to be dating my daughter."
- Are you trying to SELL her?! Goodness!! Let her have some fun! Let her make mistakes!! Why would you want to think about marriage when you're just DATING someone at a fairly young age? That's not the time to be thinking about something THAT serious down the road. Really, I think that's kind of ridiculous.
7. --- This would become even more important if the couple were to get married and have children. What would the children be taught?
- They would probably taught to be WAY more open minded than you, that's for sure.
Having a daughter is such a scary idea, we were sooo relieved to find out we're having a boy, lol.
@needtobreathe22@xanga - very well indeed. i can just see her sitting in front of a psychiatrist when she's older talking about her opressive parents! =]
I'm sorry but if you are going to have all of these rules for your daughter's future boyfriend, all of them will probably run away... which would probably good, since your daughter will always be your "daddy's little girl" but your daughter has to grow up someday... let her make her own choices on what's good and what's bad in her future boyfriend.
Goodluck