Friday, 18 June 2010
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LA Gay Pride Parade

So, this was an interesting experience for me, especially since I've probably never met more than ten openly gay people before. Haha. Sad, I know. Well, I was marching in the parade for part of the time and didn't have that much time to take pictures. Plus, the parade consisted mostly of sponsors and such, so there wasn't really much to take pictures of anyways. But I think the best part of the parade was probably the shirtless gay guys dancing on the fire truck lol.
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I honestly don't know why I went to this. I guess I wanted some understanding about this whole thing that I've been so confused about, but I actually think it made me even more confused.
Why do lesbians date girls who look and act just like a guy? What's the difference between bisexuality and sexual fluidity? And I don't even understand transsexuals or transvestites. Please, someone enlighten me.
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"Why do lesbians date girls who look and act just like a guy?
What's the difference between bisexuality and sexual fluidity? And I
don't even understand transsexuals or transvestites. Please, someone
enlighten me."
I guess it's good you're asking questions, but I'm not sure exactly what you mean to ask. Surely you realize that not all lesbians date "butch" girls? I think a better question is, why do you think they are acting "like a guy?" Maybe they're just acting the way they feel is natural for them to act. What we are attracted to comes in many shapes and sizes and flavors; I am attracted to guys that have "feminine" attributes. That's just what I like. Lesbians dating "masculine" women doesn't mean they secretly want guys. Why do they date girls who "look and act just like a guy"? Well, I mean, very obviously, because they like and are attracted to them.
Sexual fluidity I guess would depend on who you ask, but a lot of people including myself tend to reject the label of "bisexual" for several reasons. One reason is that it enforces the concept of gender binary (labeling everything as either the masculine or feminine genders, leaving little room for people who find themselves outside of those labels, example, transgenders). A lot of people want to get away from the idea of gender binary and strict labeling. Bisexual also implies equal attraction to men and women, which is often not the case. Most often, sexual fluidity means that the individual has no set "type" they are attracted to as far as gender/sex/etc. For example, I am attracted to men more than women, but not exclusively, and I am attracted to transgender people; additionally, I go through cycles I guess. One month I might be more attracted to
To say you don't understand transgenders or transvestites is taking on a lot, really :p To be transgender (as opposed to cisgender, the "normative"), you are born into the body of the gender opposite which you are. Transgender individuals are not "acting" like women, in the case of trans m-to-f, they are women. It's a matter of identity.
I don't hear the word transvestite too often anymore, but I think it refers to cross-dressers? I think the word you are probably meaning to use here is
cross-dressers because transvestite is an outdated term. Cross-dressing is different from being transgender because it doesn't necessarily involve identifying as the gender you dress as. For example, males who crossdress usually identify as being of the male sex. I realize some people don't understand why people want to do this, but personally I find it very liberating to dress like a "guy" sometimes. It's a matter of exploring different aspects of your identity. It might not be for everyone, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.
It can get kind of complicated, the thing to keep in mind is that the idea of gender is largely a social construct, and if you decide to reject the traditional gender roles, there is a very large world of endless possibilities. I am not in any way an expert on any of this, and I'm not great at explaining gender issues, so don't take my word for it! I would start with wikipedia maybe for just general definitions, and go from there.
I think I know what you mean. I honestly get confused too, specifically when you throw "trans" into something, haha. The most important thing to know and understand though is that no one is wrong in their sexuality. As long as you got that down, you're good.
If your interested in learning more about transgender issues stop in to my blog
I do not like the idea of "pride." I think it is perfectly good and fine to be comfortable with yourself, but having pride in it makes no sense. If it is truly something that one is born with, and not a decision, it is not something to be proud of, but just to accept as a fact. Am I proud of having brown hair? No. I'm born with it. It's just the way I am. I accomplished nothing and am therefore proud of nothing.
Straight people don't have pride in their sexuality or flaunt it, etc. (or at least, I don't know any who do. O.o). It just feels... unnecessary and a little "in-your-face" to me, even if that's not the intent. I know the intent is just to gain equality but I feel like the method is incorrect.
my lebian friend told me she dates girls that look like guys becuase they have a vagina and boobs, plus its not always how u look lol :)
I'm glad you were open to enjoying yourself and didn't just stand awkwardly in the back with your arms crossed. I'm a little disappointed that I missed the parade in Pittsburgh on Sunday. Though I certainly support people's rights to express themselves with any sexuality or gender, I find that I still feel a little awkward sometimes, though I don't know why. Spending more time around people who aren't just heterosexuals would help me get more comfortable.
@ScarletMoth@xanga - Great answer. Thanks for sharing.
@Sirius_Fan_Girl@xanga - I remember reading in one of my sociology textbooks about the usual "steps" to "coming out" for people of same-sex orientation. Having pride in your sexual orientation comes after having shame about it, a sort of psychological pendulum swing back the other way to oppose the previous ideas and the keenly felt suppressive society. However, pride isn't the last step to accepting one's orientation. The last step. my book said, is basically assimilating and accepting one's "different" orientation as a fact of life, a normal thing, neither something to be trumpeted to everyone you meet like it's a big deal nor something to be hidden shamefully.
So I think you hit on something there.
I suppose the "in your face" stuff is important to them in their journey, as well as important to them in spreading the word about their cause.
@Sirius_Fan_Girl@xanga - I see this argument a lot so I just wanted to address it here in the comments for anyone else as well. People take pride in a lot of things, and it's not just about going "I have brown hair! Go me." The intent behind "pride" movements is to counteract the effects of cultures that more forcibly are against the minority group- which is why we have things like black pride as well. It's about feeling okay with who you are even when others tell you you're wrong to be that way. It's also important to remember that straight people do flaunt their sexuality everywhere, all the time- but because it is what our culture prefers, it becomes background noise to us. We don't see it as "pride," we see it as "normal." Next time you pick up a teen magazine, examine it through the lens of someone who isn't straight. Every tip for dating falls strictly into the "you will want to date someone of the opposite sex, and this is how you do it" category. It's actually pretty disconcerting how much "straight romance" is pushed on everyone without people even realizing. And no one will look twice at a straight couple holding hands and kissing on the street; but when a gay couple does it, they're "making a scene," shoving it in people's faces, etc.
I surfed the internet a little bit and found a decent explanation (it concerns a different parade, but similar concept):
"I’m not surprised you don’t understand what the parade is about. It’s
not about flaunting their gayness, or trying to make straights
uncomfortable. It’s about standing up with each other in solidarity.
It’s about making themselves seen and heard by a population that would
otherwise stamp their faces into the concrete, which you apparently have
no problem with, gay best friend or not. It’s about letting other gays
know that they exist and deserve to have the rights and freedoms that
other straight people so openly throw in their faces, especially along
the streets and in the parks of Belgrade."
someone also asked of another commenter, "Would you make the same comparison for, say, people who are disabled?
Would you ever write something as: “Why should those people in
wheelchair demonstrate when I have flu every year and I don’t take it to
the streets?”
I don't know how apt the comparison is, but I think it makes a good point in that it's an expression of "I am this way, and I am fine with who I am, I am proud to be me" rather than "Ha, you're not gay." In all reality our society as a whole can be pretty anti-gay. People will accept gays, but it's often that sort of "it's okay so long as it's not my son" kind of thing. Which isn't all that great.
soorry that was reaaaallly long, just kind of kept thinking about it and didn't want to leave anything out because that would really not be a good topic to misinform anyone about!
I think my city will have a Gay Pride Parade in July. I have to go because I am sure I will see my favorite comedian there.
Totally irrelevant to your question, just sharing. lol
Why do lesbians date girls who look and act just like a guy?
--Why do some girls prefer blue eyes over brown eyes? Why do some guys prefer blondes over brunettes? It's just attraction. I know what you mean, though. If they are into women, why aren't they into the femine women? It's just what they like. I am straight, and I like masculine men. Would I like a masculine woman? No. In a way, that's the same idea.
What's the difference between bisexuality and sexual fluidity?
--I have never even heard of sexual fluidity before in my life. But honestly [and I may cause some trouble with this one, so sorry in advance], I don't really believe in 'bisexuality.' I think people who are bisexual are still figuring out which sex they prefer. Since they are attracted to both, they are bisexual. However, I think that's more of a testing period than an actual 'sexual preference' if that makes sense.
Another reason I don't quite believe in bisexuality, is lately [at least when I was in high school only last year] it seemed like a trend. All of a sudden, everyone was bisexual. Girls on girls, guys on guys, and then all over eachother. So although I know people are actually 'bisexual' and testing out what they actually want, I really think most of them are just not turned-off by having sex with their own gender, so why shouldn't they go for it if everyone else is?
And I
don't even understand transsexuals or transvestites. Please, someone
enlighten me.
--That actually confuses me a bit, too. I can tell you how I see it, and no one's corrected me yet, so please someone correct me if I'm wrong. I'll use a guy for an example since I see more male transsexuals and transvestites than men. A man who just enjoy looking like a woman, is a transvestite. He doesn't want to BE a woman, but he loves the feel of it. At least temporarily. A man who WANTS to be a female permanently, is a transsexual. He feels he was supposed to be born a woman, but was given the wrong 'parts.'
What really confuses me...is when a male transsexual [a man who wants to be a woman] is interested in women. Or a male transvestite is interested in women.
For the record, I am pro-gay marriage. I am for anyone who makes any of these decisions, transvestite, transexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual, etc. It's not harming me any, and you aren't telling me I'm wrong for being straight, so go for it. I see nothing wrong with it. And kudos to you for going to this parade and taking part of it. =]
@ScarletMoth@xanga - You put a lot of effort into your comment, so in case no one else responds to it I wanted to make sure I did. You made some REALLY good points, and i hope everyone reads it. =]
As for the difference between bisexuality and fluid sexuality, for me, it has to do with how different one's relationships are with men vs. with women. I label myself as bisexual rather than pansexual or fluid sexuality because my relationships with men are very different than my relationships with women--usually I'm way too close friends with a girl to ever consider dating her, but when I'm interested in a guyfriend it's very easy to transition into being in a relationship with him.
Generally I see women as something to watch from a distance but with whom I can never be in a romantic relationship; I look at women and find them beautiful all the time, but I get so tongue-tied and confused around beautiful women. I find beautiful men much more accessible, approachable, and reachable. Therefore I usually date men, but if I ever felt that I could be in a romantic relationship with a girl who I considered my best friend (those are the only women I feel comfortable thinking about dating, usually), then I would.
That's why I personally don't consider myself fluid sexuality or pansexual--I feel very differently toward each gender, so it's not exactly a "love knows no genders" kind of thing. It's just that I happen to love each gender, but in very different ways. I could also see myself with someone who identified outside of the gender binary, if I ever fell in love with someone who did. This is my definition, though there may certainly be others.
I think shirtless gay guys dancing on a fire truck ought to be a part of every parade. ;)
Personally, I feel sexuality is on a spectrum. I think everyone falls somewhere, and that bi, straight and gay are just the only categories.
As far as who lesbians date, well, I guess that depends on what attracts you.
@x0SilentlyScreaming0x@xanga - As for the gay transsexual thing (at least this is how I understand it and I mean no offense to anyone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong,) to make it more easily understandable, just think of gender identification and sexual orientation as two completely different things. It's just the same as a woman being attracted to another woman, only she was born male. Again it's all about who you fancy. Maybe she's always fancied women, but she feels like her body doesn't match up with her sex. The trans part of it is more of an identification thing than a sexual attraction thing. I hope that makes sense... It's too early in the morning for my brain to work.
@Sirius_Fan_Girl@xanga - I understand where you're coming from, but straight people don't need to do the whole Pride thing because we're not discriminated against. Honestly, I think the whole thing is wonderful and hope it works for the GLBT community. They're not hurting anyone, they just want to have the same privileges and rights as straight people...and there's nothing wrong with that. I guess I don't understand why you think Gay Pride Parades are a bad thing. People hold events for awareness all the time...why are Gay Pride parades suddenly "the wrong way to go about it"? Would you call a Walk For Cancer the wrong way to raise awareness for that disease because it's too "in your face"?
-Katie
@Sirius_Fan_Girl@xanga - Agreed.
Not all lesbians date girls that look like guys..
Straight girls can date guys with long hair, or guys that wear makeup their still straight. I don't see what difference it makes, go out with who you wanna go out with.
@Sirius_Fan_Girl@xanga - Pride is just about accepting themselves in a society that degrades them. Straight people don't necessarily need to defend their sexuality because it's the norm. Its about getting together with other gays and saying, "Hey, I don't think there's anything wrong with me. So why do you? Let me have my rights." Its an issue they need to be loud about because the government isn't listening to them.
You should've gone to the Festival right after the Parade. There were lots of informative booths there to answer your questions. (Although a lot of people here in the comments seem to be answering you just fine!)
@jenigrins@xanga - Great answer
@Sirius_Fan_Girl@xanga -
The same way we have BET and gay pride websites/parades, when society looks down upon or calls a certain group less worthy, pride is kind of necessary to keep them from feeling insecure. It's actually natural thing for humans to do. I'm tired of hearing people say "why are African American heritage celebrations acceptable, but not White-American?" It's because of the stigma blacks had, well, being black! Even after the civil rights movement and laws to protect equality, it's obvious that African-Americans are still racially judged, and because of that, they have created a way to be proud of who you are instead of ashamed. The same goes for the LGBT community. But I do believe that the extent that pride can be taken is a bit dangerous (enter in the Nazi regime!). Anyways, that's all I have to say about that (-Forrest Gump :D).@ScarletMoth@xanga - Great response; well said (:
Not many people, that I know anyway, go to Pride for some deeper understanding of the gay community. It's about fun and visibility ...at least, that's what I thought. Why does it really matter if you understand it or not? Just accept it's there, respect people's differences, and move on. You probably do a whole lot of shit they don't understand either, but as long as it's not hurting anyone else, who gives a damn?
i wish my city had pride parades!!! :(
idk. i dont hate gay people ( ihave many friends who are gay ), but i dont like the act of gayness...... its pretty nasty, it really doesnt make any sense. especiality to your question, its makes no sense at all.
thanks for sharing your pictures! loved 'em