Thursday, 27 May 2010

  • The L Dating Chronicles: I Ended Up In Jersey And Made Out With A Murse


    Normally this is the kind of story I would plead the 5th on, but I've got a dating chronicle to upkeep... so let's dig in.

    My friend Ramona just got her degree from NYU and scored her dream job in the music biz. I thought this called for a trip to Vegas. She booked us a room in Atlantic City. That's right: I spent the weekend in Jersey.
     

    So, the first night in AC our group of girlfriends hits the Tropicana and takes enough shots to forget the smells that leaked into the car through the air conditioning on the way in from New York. While I was still looking good (aka before the sweat from this Shore-worthy club led to a ponytail and runny mascara) I caught the eye of the sexiest guy I have seen in a long time. I gave him a glance, then the cold shoulder, and before I knew it there was a silky smooth voice asking, "Want a drink?"

    Maybe it was because my head was in "pimp mode" or just because it was one of those nights when I wanted time to dance with my girls, but I was looking for an excuse to end the flirting. 

    "What's your name?"

    "Dan." (Okay, nothing wrong there.)

    "Where are you from?"

    "Jersey." (Fine. I'm not a hater.)

    "What do you do?"

    "I'm a nurse." BINGO!

    The grinding stopped and the kissing ceased, but when the dreaded attack of "What are you thinking? He's so hot!" came from my friends I knew exactly what to say. "I wasn't so into him. He was a male nurse." And when I relayed the story to friends at home who wanted NJ details, they too completely understood. The fact that he was a male nurse was funny to us all. After all, it got a few good laughs for Ben Stiller's character in Meet The Parents. Maybe I wouldn't have noticed the reaction that all my girlfriends had to his occupation if I wasn't deliberately using it as an excuse to shun a drool-worthy guy (calling myself an idiot in retrospect), but suddenly it seemed bizarre that his job was understood to be a total deal breaker.

    I did a mental inventory of all of my exes' occupations. Most ended up in the finance column, while others fell under law student or trust fund baby. And then it hit me: How much weight do we put on what a guy does for a living? At 21 you'd think I would be willing to take a chance on a suvlaki vendor, but it seems like my generation of 20-somethings has put j-o-b at the top of our checklists.

    Remember the scene in Sex and the City where Carrie and Big find that amazing apartment, and while she's drooling over the New York space she suddenly realizes, "Can we afford this?" Mr. Big takes one look at her, utters, "I got it," and every woman's heart in the theater melted. This guy had sent her over the emotional edge for six consecutive seasons and we got wet for him all over again when he picked up the rent check.

    I consulted Jess, my friend of nearly a decade who is dating a fully employed, nearly thirty Cornell grad. She was freaking because after two years of going without a single "I love you," her boyfriend was talking about moving in together.

    "He just switched jobs," she said. "How can I move in with you when you make an entry-level salary, my dad still pays my phone bill, and we live in the most expensive city in the world?"

    There it was again: his job was a major reason their relationship couldn't move forward. Suddenly it seemed so relevant. She was talking about renting a home together. Certainly she had the right to be concerned with his salary... even though it's a new job... and she's only twenty one... right?

    And then there is my roommate Grace, who is dating a guy who just turned thirty. She loves him desperately but he never went to college, collected unemployment for a year, and still plays in the shit-spattered sandbox of seasonal employment. Every time she tells me about the latest job-related problem in their relationship, my advice is the same. He's a loser; dump him. But if I take a step back, he is probably the most caring, devoted guy in any of my friends' lives. So which is it? Dump, or no dump?

    Do we judge men based on their jobs? It seems to me like this might be a lingering afterthought of the old school mentality that a man has to provide for a woman. I never planned on staying home with a gaggle of kids behind my white picket fence, but I think that the power-suit career might make a man more attractive in my eyes. We all ooh and ahh at the boys with briefcases, and red convertibles, but if we want to make the argument that a job is a legitimate relationship concern, then a woman's job should be just as big of an issue when it doesn't seem to be. I've never heard a guy talk about the car his girlfriend drives or get on a woman's case about her career. Is this a way for us to bring a 1950's mentality into the 21st century, or should a guy's occupation factor into his dateablility?

     

Comments (22)

  • radicalsounds@xanga

    So...you rule people out because of their jobs? Pretty dumb. Would you dump a guy because he lost his good job, say a lay-off, and he had to work a stint as a Mickey D's manager? Well..sounds like you would. 


    If you can pay your bills, I don't care. That's my only rule of thumb. I don't care what you do, as long as you either a) enjoy it or b) are working your way to a job you enjoy. 
  • tokyoexpressman@xanga

    I'm a product of this school of thought. I went to college and picked a different major than the one I originally wanted to do because the second one offered more stability and had a higher potential earnings ceiling. I did this because I realized that not only was my future lifestyle tied to my career, but my marriage prospects probably were as well, since men are generally expected in one way or another to be providers.

    I have the reverse issue as a man. I don't expect a woman to stay home in the kitchen, barefoot, and pregnant by any means, but I still find women who are heavily nurturing and more into taking care of children than working to be attractive.

  • Jessica@lovelyish

    Lauren, you are my new favorite writer!!

  • cryholy@xanga

    I don't see what's wrong with male nurses.

  • girlinthehighlands@xanga

    I think it's kind of like that old school of though where men are supposed to be the providers. You kind of get brought up being bombarded with this image of men who come riding into save the damsel in distress and provide her with the best of everything. Since I'm only 19, the whole job thing doesn't really bother me so much, since most guys I know are still in university. But even then, there's a stigma about which degree you're studying. It goes something like med school = good, law = good, sports science = not good, arts degree = why bother?. I think at the end of the day, we just want someone to take care of us and we see money as a way of doing that.

  • Lordv16@xanga

    Yeah male nurses are totally not worth your time. I mean, who wants a guy who enjoys helping others. Helping people is so overrated.

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  • xXDC_luyouXx

    I use to think that only men were really, really shallow by comparing beauty between women but...  when I was young, my mother use to have her friends over for female bonding times.  I would often listen in on their gossip sessions; they would compare wedding rings, the sizes of their homes, their cars, even accomplishments of their children.


    What drove me insane is the fact that those mothers never, ever compared their own accomplishments -- since they were housewives -- but instead of what they procured by benefiting society's tradition of "men are the breadwinners".


    When you state, "I've never heard a guy talk about the car his girlfriend drives or get on a woman's case about her career." I think it's true that men are less likely to criticise a woman that way.  In society, men *must* have a career.  As a woman, if you're too incompetent or too lazy to have a career of your own.... it's OK because you can just get married and have a man take care of you.  The term golddigger is generally associated with women. 


    What's odd is the fact that -- in current times -- women can have high-powered jobs too.  I'm not sure why women should take a guy's occupation into account -- unless you want to admit you're selfish by wanting a guy to make your life for you.


    I hate to say it but men are NOT more shallow than women.

  • Twin_Blades@xanga

    Sorry, but a woman who would reject me just because of what my job was would automatically say to me that she wasn't worth going after to begin with. Now, if you said that it was because of his ambition, or lack thereof, or something that might -cause- him to have the job he has, then I could maybe understand, but an outright rejection seems very . . . shallow. Of course in your case, you were looking for an excuse, so that's a bit more understandable.

  • anonymous

    @radicalsounds@xanga - What if your SO is a prostitute? ;)

  • Asianrockgurl@xanga

    @Lordv16@xanga - i totally agree with you. helping people is overrated. it is such a turn off. 


    and i have to say...this is a hell of a post. 
  • Hinase@xanga

    @Lordv16@xanga - Love the sarcasm xD


    Really? You're going to judge men based on their jobs? That is extremely shallow.If they try then they try. That's the best way to put it. Not every man is going to have some kind of college degree nor be a award willing lawyer..you have to remember that. Actually I don't mind a guy taking care of me. I've did a hell of a lot in my life and need the extra break..of course that is by choice and nothing more..
    but yeah..that's really shallow..
  • xpika1x@xanga

    Wow... I think it's time to stop the gender discrimination both ways. If women can break barriers and have "male" jobs, why can't men do the same? I think a nursing degree is one of the best degrees to have. It's a constant job no matter what economy, there such a variety in what you can do, not all nurses work in geriatrics and wipe peoples poop. Plus the demand for male nurses is so high it's crazy.


    I think it's bullocks to discriminate against someones job. The fact that they are doing something to provide for themselves and/or loved ones is definitely applausable.

  • lcf@revelife

    I think male nurses are hot.  <

  • TheRealMelanie@xanga

    The only reason I'd care about what a guy does for a living is if it were making him unhappy.
    Think of how shitty a relationship would be with some corporate, rich asshole who hates his life.
    I'd rather be with a volunteer worker than with someone who is miserable at work, but only goes because he think he has to for me.

  • lapis_lazuli917@xanga

    Well, I'm not generally a person who thinks about money too much. I'm sort of in the same boat, where I'm interested in a guy who doesn't seem to have much direction in his life and may not end up in college, or at least not right away. He knows more or less what he wants to do but isn't sure how to get there.


    This is way jumping the boat for us as a specific example, but my concern would be, how would a relationship work if there was no money in the pool, as opposed to the individual wallet? After all, if you're in a relationship, it takes two people to make it work. I don't want a caretaker, someone I have to financially depend on, but I also don't want to be in the position of paying all the bills by myself. IMO, if you're intending to build a life together, there has to contribution on both ends.


    @xXDC_luyouXx - I don't think men or women are "shallower" than the other, I think it's more that societal gender roles dictate us to be shallow about different things. XD

  • meowmeow

    It is a psychological fact that women are drawn to men who are secure and can provide from them. This is seen throughout all periods in history. Even with women having more opportunities to earn for themselves nowadays we continue to have this mindset. It's an evolutionary pattern... Men want the attractive, young girls who have good genes and can produce decent offspring and women want men who can provide for themselves and these offspring. It's just how we're programmed to think.

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  • Kiwi7534@xanga

    I'm not sure why everyone is dissing the author. She is admitting what she thinks (or used to think). You can tell she had a change of heart by the way she spoke about her friends and they're boyfriends/job situations. Don't bash the author for simply pointing out the fact that people DO indeed judge people based on they're salary. 

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  • darkblinds@xanga

    I always dreamed about being with an accomplished man- Business ceo, doctor, lawyer...something that screamed status. Not so much about money,  but something on the lines of when he walked into the room all the head would turn and look at him. And there I was at his right, taking in part of his glory. But in those dreams I think I always made myself, a secretary or a nanny(ok don't judge). I think the highest status I gave myself was a business rival, never truly beating him either. I always wanted to be swept off my feet by him. I always wanted to be the princess...

    That was years ago. I've lived in the real world and I've realized...that the world does not work like that. Yet, I completely understand why I thought like this. My mother was the breadwinner in the house. She practically slaved away, just to let my family have what we have. My father not such much. He always seemed so passive and self centered, about everything. I love my dad, but he was never the true provider for the household. I didn't want to slave away like my mom. I wanted someone who would take care of me as well.
    Since coming to college, I've gotten into the engineering majors. I don't know where they stand in status. I think the most I owe my ex in terms of cash is $5. I don't want a lawyer, doctor, or business person anymore. I'll be perfectly happy with a teacher like me or well another engineer ;) These days, I want to invest more into myself, and make me the most valuable me there can be.

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