Monday, 12 April 2010

  • Emotional Abuse: How to Get a Friend to See It?

    My best friend Amanda*  has been on and off with this major jerk Justin* for about 5 months now.  She is constantly breaking up with him because he treats her like crap but then she just goes right back to him because she is "so in love with him" when really she is just afraid to be alone.  She is 20 years old and she fails to see that she has her whole life ahead of her to be with someone.  But this is beside the point.

    Justin is an emotional abuser. He pulls her away from her friends, telling her that they are b*tches and that he doesn't want her hanging out with them because they just talk crap about him.  When she does what she wants, he is constantly texting her, giving her crap for hanging out with the girls and accusing her of cheating on him.  It gets to the point that she wont hang out with any of her friends because she doesn't want to deal with him freaking out.  She is not allowed to talk to any other men.  Anytime she does, he freaks out on her.  He constantly tells her that she doesn't love him. He convinces her that he doesn't do anything wrong. 

    When she comes to her senses and realizes that he is too controlling and breaks up with him, he cries, tells her that he loves her and accuses her of never loving him.  He calls her obscene names, tells her she is worthless and then begs for her to take him back.  While he is doing this, she goes back to her previous ex, leading him on, and then she blows off the ex for Justin.  This time that she broke up with him, she signed a promise to herself saying she wouldn't take him back or talk to him and would remain single for a little while.  She didn't even keep the promise for more than a day. 

    Today, when I tried to remind her of one of our alumni who was in a similar situation, (married a guy her friends said was horrid, pulled away from her friends, ended up with a baby, a divorce and a restraining order because he was so emotionally abusive and eventually would stalk her to make sure she wasn't with anyone else) she completely blew off my comments with a "whatever".

    My question to you all:  How to I get my friend to see that this guy is bad news before it gets too bad?  I want her to see how emotionally abusive he really is to her.

Comments (25)

  • Super_Andy@xanga

    I had a friend who was dating this real jackass guy. It killed me that she stayed with him and our friendship suffered because of my inability to let it go. There wasn't anything anybody could say to make her see sense and we just had to watch it play out. Keep on being that friend and letting her know where you stand and hopefully, like my friend, she comes to her senses.

  • JusticeCho@xanga

    Sounds like me and my ex, cept my ex would be Justin in this case.  Yet when we broke up, everyone got her side of the story and calls me the emotional abusive jerk.  It's really hard to get people to see they are in abusive relationships, especially if they think they are in love.  Usually it takes until the infatuation fades, or the abuse just gets too far.  Just telling your friend her bf is a jerk will probably never work, she'll just feel bad for him and start defending him.  It's a pretty horrible situation to be in.

    Though I'm not happy that you used the name Justin to portray a jerk here hehe.

  • harrisal2

    Sad part? You can't MAKE her see it. She knows it's not a good relationship since she breaks it off with him. But coming from someone who was in that exact relationship (except that we didn't do the whole breaking up and making up again) believe me, hearing about it from her friends may not make the difference. She's going to have to stand up to him and really be strong for herself.


    My friends and family (and complete strangers who saw us together) all told me that I needed to be out of that relationship but I continued on for a year and a half because, to me, they didn't see the real him. And yea, he hurt me and yea I cried every night but I didn't stop it.


    It took one big moment for me to finally take the step and break up with him. And it was hard, and I wanted to get back together with him (there are moments when I wonder if I made the right decision...eep) but if I hadn't decided to finally end everything with him, I may have done the same thing as your friend is.


    The best thing you can do is just keep being her friend. It's hard but that's what she's gonna need if/when she finally breaks up with him.

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  • sumtymesiwonder@xanga

    i dated a guy just. like. him. and my aunt, a licensed counselor, told me he was abusive within a month. we dated for six months before i went home for a couple weeks and saw that half a world a way, with friends i had before i ever met him, he was STILL trying to control me and my vacation...he flipped out on me via e-mail and i started to go back to how i acted when i was with him...but within a few hours i realized he was being ridiculous and i was missing out on so much. my entire personality had changed. when i came back, i dumped him. (he had dumped me something like twenty times in 6 months.) he also begged for me to take him back, called me names, insulted me, said i never loved him. it took two months of me quarantining myself before he finally left me alone.

    you can't make her see it. she has to find out for herself or find someone who comes into her life who shows her she doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

    emotional abuse can be just as damaging as physical.

  • aznsista2envy@xanga

    trust me.. dont even bother..


    they wont see it, they will juz fink ur annoying

  • brickmelinda@xanga

    I have a friend with the SAME problem....She's engaged, but the problems only happen every once in awhile. She still never hangs out with her friends though. She seems very happy though...she tries to convince herself and us. The more I talk about it the more I realize I should talk to her about it. Hard to when they live together though. A very tough situation.

  • lovelesskisses@xanga

    It's like trying to get an anorexic to eat. 
    You can try, but until THEY WANT TO, it's not going to happen.
    It's quite unfortunate.

    I have a friend that's pretty much the exact same, except she and this guy (whose name happens to be Justin, actually <___< ) hang around, and she hangs off of him, and he just uses her.  It KILLS me to see this, and he's all cuddly with her (even though apparently he has a girlfriend?).  She buys things for him, and will do anything he asks, and she can be talking to you, but as soon as he shows up, she will completely ignore you.  *siiiiiiiigh* UGH.

  • JennyGee@xanga

    you can't.  so stop trying.  no one will ever "make" her realize she has to leave- she'll eventually figure that out on her own, and only she can make that decision.

    what you CAN do is make sure that she knows you support her no matter what she decides.  one of abuers' main tactics is to isolate the victim, and if she's embarrassed to tell you she's staying because she knows you disapprove, that will only make it worse.  tell her that you are concerned for her safety and well-being, but that you love her and are there for her no matter what.  educate yourself about domestic violence, because this sounds like a textbook case.  it will only get worse.  soon he will probably begin to abuse her physically (if he isn't already). the "cycle of violence" you describe is quite common- when the woman finally leaves, the guy begs for her forgiveness, and a honeymoon stage develops where she is so in love with him and he is so so sorry...but this is only temporary, and soon he becomes abusive again.

    i know it's hard to have a friend in this situation.  i'm a domestic violence counselor; i understand how badly you want to tell her to just get the hell out!!  but the best you can do for her is keep hanging out with her and SUPPORTING her.  you have to try to respect her decision to stay.  it's her life, and she has to live with the consequences of her actions, whether she stays or leaves, so she has to make the decision on her own.

    if you're trying to figure out why she would stay, learn more about trauma bonds.  good luck with your friend. 

  • Neko_Akuryou@xanga

    It would be so much easier if it was physical abuse because then there is at least a bruise.

    At least you're a good enough friend to notice the emotional abuse. However, how do you know it's because she doesn't want to be alone? The line between affection and actual emotional abuse can easily be skewed.

    Your friend's story reminds me of my bathmate's boyfriend. They've been dating on and off for a year and they always argue, when together. I have not heard his side (she's naturally very sexy looking, not just naturally beautiful, so she attracts a lot of guys, without even flirting with them), but he's very jealous, and always thinks she is cheating when she just just says hi or shares notes with another guy. What's worse is that they are engaged. They recently broke up because he shook her and then they got back together a week later and retained that engaged status, because they are so sure they are soul-mates!

    Of course, the thing with abuse is this whole circle. The abuser does/says something terrible to you, the victim feels down, the victim becomes suspicious of the relationship (and may take action), the abuser pulls back and turns the tables/shows affection, the victim remembers the good times and gets back with the abuser, where the cycle starts again. If anything, your friend is caught up in this cycle, which is so hard to get out of.

  • Eternal_Nocturne@xanga

    My best friend was caught up in this. It's not going to be easy to pry her away from him. What you're seeing however, is perfectly normal. She's going to go back to him a few times. What's got to happen is that she has to see it for herself. You're doing the right thing, but it's all you can really do. Don't just mindlessly call him a jerk-off, give some proper facts and dialect to back up your suspicions and pierce through his lies. I hate to say it, but in the case of my friend, it had to escalate to physical harm to get her to see what was what and I think that may have to happen to your friend as well.

    Emotional abuse is hard to see on a woman's behalf because it's difficult to properly detect and show to a woman. The good times tend to overshadow the bad, and Neko_Akuryou's comment about the vicious cycle of abuse is spot-on. I think that the problem is that we're used to thinking relationships have their good and bad points and they think that all the abuse and whatnot are all the bad points. The only thing you can really do is continue to be a supportive friend and continue to stand by her side while it all happens.

    Take it from me, when a woman wants to get rid of a jerk-off, she can and she will without a second thought.

  • IKOlivia@xanga

    @Neko_Akuryou@xanga - I know its because she doesnt want to be alone because shes told me she is scared she is going to end up a crazy cat lady.  She doesnt like sleeping alone at night (I end up sleeping on the futon with her when they are in their "off" stage) and she fails to see the multitude of GOOD guys out there that are attracted to her.  

  • babixk1umzy@xanga

    Do we have the same friend?


    My friend has been in this situation for 5 years now and out of those 5 years, he's been an asshole for 4. So, if she hasn't gotten the idea that he's not planning on changing anytime soon, good chances are he doesn't have a good enough reason to change. I've put my two cents in countless number of times because no friend wants to see their friend go through that but after awhile you just begin to realize that maybe she's not the victim anymore. She puts herself in that situation not because she's forced, no one is forced to be with anyone, but because she wants to be and that's how she wants to live her life.


    I've tried to stop talking to her altogether because I don't need that kind of drama in my life. But she's been apart of my life for so long now, I couldn't just cut off the kind of friendship we had. She still complains about him and I just sit there and nod and change the subject. It's her life. Her drama. Just be supportive even if you're not because it won't make much of a difference anyways.

  • Erika_Steele@xanga

    You don't.
    Trust me she already knows.  She'll end the relationship when she has had enough, but it is something she has to do on her own.

  • twentyounces@xanga

    This sounds pretty similar to a situation I was in.  Except I was that girl who couldn't bear to leave even though I knew I wasn't being treated the way I should.  My friends did not like him at all because of this (although they never came out and said I should break up with him, they made sure they got their point across about now liking him) and that wasn't even enough for me to end things.  Even an outsider, a girl I met on another blog site who read all about my relationship, couldn't convince me to end things despite her blunt comments.  I couldn't take time for myself or go out with my friends without him thinking it was an insult to our relationship because I wasn't spending that time with him.  Basically, I could see how he was treating me yet I didn't have the guts to end things completely.  He ended up breaking up with me because he decided I didn't fit his standards anymore. 

    I don't think you're going to be able to convince your friend.  She's going to have to see it for herself and who knows when that will happen.  But, I wouldn't shut her out completely, as hard as that may be.  When that day does come and she finally stands up for herself, she's going to need her friends again.

  • eclipselost@xanga

    you need to pray for your friend because the bondage she is in is more than emotional, it's spiritual and mental. She has bought into the lie that the only person that will love her is the douchebag she is with and that she will never find someone who would love her right. you see a lot of times what makes people stay in relationships like that is because they think they have invested too much to just walk away especially if they have slept with the person. The abuser knowing that there is attachment, constantly throws in their face the idea that the victim is throwing away what they have built together and then blames the victim for the destruction of the relationship. when the victim comes back, they go through the same cycle of abuse again. I was in a relationship with this guy on and off for about four years and it was constant drama. and to make it worse, there was always some stupid ex available to make him feel better about what he was doing. He rotated among his exes like we were a buffet and like a bunch of dumb girls, we would hate on each other and fight over someone who was blatantly abusing all of us. we were too proud and foolish, trying to prove to one another that we were the girl that he really cared for. we didn't understand that he didn't really care for either of us. we didn't understand that the issue was his character not who can be ok with the most amount of abuse and lies, we didn't understand that we were encouraging the cycle of abuse and betrayal he was doing to each of us. so when i finally stopped talking to this dude i changed my number and everything to make sure he didn't get in touch with me....lo and behold, he got my number and in late fall started calling me under a restricted number leaving creepy music voice messages on my phone, songs that we liked together and i was like WTH?! so i changed my number again. abusive people don't get the message until you are consistent in staying away from them. but that dude was mad manipulative and emotionally draining. i stopped trying to be the girl that "claims" him because i finally realized that i deserved better and I COULD DO BETTER. i had so many people praying for me and it was by the grace of God that i healed from that relationship because four years of that kinda crap will make you an abusive person as well. a lot of girls who keep finding themselves in unhealthy relationships over and over and over again do so because they don't give themselves enough time to heal so they keep making the same mistake. when you have a history of unhealthy relationships you start to exhibit the patterns and abuse done to you to other people and other relationships you enter. when your friend gets out of that relationship, she going to need you and other people to help her stay away from him because of the pull of familiarity and the lie that maybe he will change if she shows herself committed. nah, if you let someone who treats you like trash know that you will stay no matter what, they will never treat you any different.

  • shurvays@xanga

    im in the same situation.. but its harder for me because its 3 years now.. its not that easy. girls like her (and me) probably just want to see the best in people. she thinks that by him wanting her to just be with him and not see friends is because he doesnt want to lose her. it is very controlling, but it doesnt seem wrong because he doesnt let her think its wrong. hes got her brainwashed and theres nothing you can do.


    everything happens for a reason. hes probably just in her life to teach her the kind of man she shouldnt be with. you cant make her see, she has to open her eyes herself.

  • FrostedElegance@xanga

    Yup, hate to say it, but there is nothing you really CAN do. Until she is ready to finally open her eyes and walk away, you can talk until your face is blue and it's not going to have any effect. Been there, done that. My "friend" (and I say "friend" because I'm not really sure that we are anymore) has horrible taste in men. Her current boyfriend who she's been with for...about 3 years (off and on) is a TOTAL moocher and nothing but a lazy bum. This guy has nothing going for him. He is ugly inside and out. Long story short, when they broke up and I found out she was still allowing him to mooch off her, I flipped out and called her a doormat (among other things). And you know what? They still got back together.


    What you do next is up to you, as people have conflicting feelings. Some will tell you to stick by her side, as she will need emotional support--especially if it does get really bad and she needs someone to turn to. Others, like myself, will decide that enough is enough, and pretty much cut her out of their life. You reach a point where you can't deal with the bullshit anymore, and you don't want to hear about it anymore. When you watch a very close friend do the same stupid thing over and over, it's just emotionally draining. I have stuck to my guns thus far--when our group of friends have get togethers and they invite *her* and her boyfriend, I refuse to come. It may sound childish to some people, but I refuse to be around her boyfriend. I feel that when my friends allow him to come around, they only encourage her behavior (even though they all agree this guy is a douchebag).


    Sorry to say there is no easy answer for this one. If you think you can hang in there and continue to support her, I would. Otherwise, go your separate ways. It's only going to end when she wants it to. Good luck!

  • Callisto23314@xanga

    We all go through that situation; and some of us just recently stepped out. My soon to be ex husband was emotionally abusive and, no matter what anyone says, a person does not accept it until something clicks inside them. They really do need to figure it out on their own. Constantly telling someone that they made a poor relationship choice only draws them closer to the abuser because she feels the need to prove you wrong and most women don't want to accept that they are abused; it can't possibly happen to them. All you really can do is step back and say "look, you are my friend and I will be here for you, but I don't like Justin and don't want to hear about it. if you constantly choose to be with him, then that is your choice, but don't involve everyone else." It's harsh, but when all of her friends step back a bit and not aid her in her need to constantly go back to him, she may realize how bad the situation really is and it might be the wake up call that she needs.

  • xONat_x3@xanga

    Wow this sounds exactly like something my best friend would say about me & my boyfriend. It's so much easier to sit there & think of how stupid us girls are for staying with a guy who treats us like complete shit & yet we go back every single time expecting him to change & stay changed, but they always go back to their old ways. I used to be that strong, independent girl who didn't need a man in her life. I was perfectly happy with where i was at, & with the people I had in my life. I was always to go to friend when my friends had any problems because according to them I always gave the best advice. I never could understand why the hell a girl would put up with an asshole when all he did was cause her pain, why wouldn't she just move on and find someone better the worlds full of guys! All these thoughts ran through my head & yet i still couldn't find the answer, until it happened to me.

    Ive been on & off with my current boyfriend for about a year now. Looking back on our relationship the first few months were amazing but the middle was strictly HELL. What i went through with him & how much i put on the line just for him blows my mind thinking of it now. I was the happy, outgoing, friendly, hyper girl who everyone loved and had a fun time with until i met him, & i lost half of who i was. I pushed my family away for him as well as my friends. Everything that was once important to me slowly I started to push away, because all my attention was focusing on him. He played so many mind games with me, & emotionally abused me. I knew all of this. I finally had the courage to break it off, the first time I ever ended it. & i was perfectly fine after i did it, it felt like a relief. I felt happy, once again. That was until he started texting me & saying how he was sorry he knew he messed up & he was going to change. I eventually caved in, but told him i needed him to prove it to me. After a couple of weeks we were dating again. All had been good the first few months & then we were right back to square one. I was even more emotionally into him this time, & i knew had that hope that he would change because he easily did it for a couple of months. I broke it off two more times after this, & the last & final straw was when he lied to me & went to a party with some girl & in the morning i wake up to pictures on facebook of him all over her. & then i find out hes also been hanging out with some other girl. This is was it for me. I bawled my eyes out & after i was done i hated him. I blocked his number & that was it. We both started dating different people, but i just wasnt able to be emotionally into my relationship with the guy i was with because honestly it was more of a rebound & it wasnt fair to either of us, so i ended that. After my abusive boyfriend heard that i was single again, he got a new number & called me that night. He had talked to one of my friends about this & she convinced me he was changed & to give it another try. We talked for 4 hours &  we both realized that we were both still in love with each other. & i knew he was capable of changing so i was ready to give it another shot. This is what keeps the girls like me, & all the other girls in abusive relationships in them. We feel like that we put so much time and effort into this & we don't want it all to go to waste, its that hope that they will change that will always keep us hanging on to them. They also manipulate us by playing mind games, making us think that they are the only ones for us.

    Like i said in the year that we have been together i have gone through so much with him that would take me hours to write. But i can honestly say that once i stopped caring so much, & no longer keep things in me that bother me, he has finally changed his ways. It took a whole year to him to do it, but right now our relationship is better than ever before. We've been together for the longest ever without breaking up. We continue to have some problems, but its nothing serious & nothing that can't easily be resolved, after all no relationship is perfect. Knock on wood it stays this way. After going through all the things i went through i've grown a lot stronger & learned so much not only about relationships but also about myself. Another thing is, us girls aren't perfect either. We do things that drive guys crazy, & that we also need to change. There is always room for improvement on both parts. I made an agreement with myself with this relationship & i told myself that if it doesn't improve by this summer he would be completely out of my life, but it has.

    I know it doesn't sound right for people to stay in abusive relationships, but i can't say it will never get better because i have seen both sides. My friends experiences as well as my own. It all depends on the person, & how willing they are to change & how long they can stick to it. Honestly i've made soo many people dislike him because i always go & vent to them about any problems we are having & quite frankly they're sick of having to hear the same thing over & over again & giving me advice on what to do & me completely ignoring it. & i don't blame them for feeling this way. The best thing you can do is continue to be there for her. Maybe show her this, let her read all the comments & have her decide what is best for her. But remember no matter what the decision will be all her. If she decides to stay in this, & continues to get hurt, its her own fault. But if she gets out of it, you will need to be there for her even more than ever before. I hope everything works out for the best!

  • HelenYun@xanga

    I went through it. The one in the relationship is pretty much blind to everything.
    I had friends, family.. coworkers.. warn me about him, told me to break it off asap.. etc.
    But I never bothered to because I thought I was doing the right thing, and thinking that he would eventually treat me better. But I was wrong anyways haha. Just let her be. She'll walk into a wall soon enough when it reaches a certain limit and that is when she'll know it's time to walk away. That's how I did it at least. Now I look back and see how blind and stupid I once was.

  • materialactress@xanga

    I was in an emotionally abusive relationship for a few months. It wasn't the controlling kind; it was more the kind where I didn't really matter to him but he continued to string me along even when I would try to tell him that maybe we shouldn't be together. I spent the last six months of that relationship hating myself, and being told that I was annoying and being treated like a child. Did I realize this? No, because I wanted it to work so badly. The worst part was, a lot of my friends didn't even see it, but the friends that did could tell how miserable I was. I wish that more people had told me to end it because when he ended up breaking up with me, I had become so ridiculously attached that it was the worst breakup ever. Friends don't like to interfere because it makes them feel like it's not their place but if it's an obviously unhealthy relationship, someone needs to step up and say something, even if the friend won't listen.

  • TomTea

    The man in question seems to be narcissist. Go and google narcissism. You'll find a wealth of information about narcissists, how to spot them, and how to deal with them. It's a real personality disorder and it has devastating effects on the person who is on the receiving end, namely, your friend. Show your friend this information and hope that she realizes that this dude has serious issues and that it is best to avoid him like the plague.

    If she doesn't come to her senses with the presented info, don't worry. She'll eventually turn around once she hits rock bottom and she will hit rock bottom with this dude. In that moment, you must be there for her. Be supportive and caring because that's what she will need once she breaks free of the narcissist "spell." Be ready for many hours of non-stop ranting and crying that may carry on for months or even years depending on how emotional involved she is with him.

  • anonymous

    I have a friend going through the same thing right now. The sad thing is she's always been here helping ME deal with the damage from my abuser!!!!

    But her story is actually worse than mine was, the difference is she is married and they have several kids together and one on the way. To make this worse she is only 18!Some of their babies are twins and she takes care of them by herself most of the time, even when she's on bedrest. She's had multiple miscarriages from the fact that his emotional and verbal (and not verbal) abuse upsets her so much that she goes into labor early.Believe me we've all tried, even her counselors, therapists, and everyone else. When she was a minor her parents even tried, only to be met with "well then I'l just go back to X" (X raped and abused her for years when she was very young, even beat her and allowed his friends to do the same to her.. She never had a willing part with X.)Only one person's ever gotten through to her, and unfortunately said entirely the wrong thing, years before this relationship. He told her no matter what you never give up on someone you love.So while he ignores her, verbally abuses her, drops her cold for stupid things like the internet, because it's more exciting. Then hurts her repeatedly. We all have to watch.We love her dearly, pick up the pieces and try to comfort her, but before long he calls her, or she calls him and they're back together again.There's more than a few times that he just wants the sex and is back to ignoring her soon as he gets what she wants. Or back to telling her that she's responsible for all their issues.God knows we all try to help, but till she's ready there's nothing we can do.I just always tell her I love her, and am here no matter what. It's painful to see her go through all the breakup-makeup-get hurt again. But I don't want her to ever feel alone.She tells us all the time, I can't find anyone better, no one will want my kids, he's their daddy, and a multitude of excuses. She has been to the point of dying (literally has bled to where she's unconscious from miscarriages) but still he hasn't changed, and she won't give up.It's hard, but what do you do? Just love them... sometimes it's all they really need. 
    I'll stay at her side, praying for her to see it someday. 
  • elfinhaven_kisses@xanga

    nothing u can do. trust me, she knows what the hell is going on. will wake up one day, she will..

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