Friday, 29 January 2010

  • Full-time Boyfriend, Part-time Dr. Phil?

    My friend could use a little advice right now, and after giving her my own two cents, I knew just who else I would turn to for some fresh perspectives--you guys!

    Basically, my friend is going through a bit of a tough time right now; she's not sure anymore as to what she wants to do after college and we're graduating in May, lately she's completely unorganized and is almost always late for everything, and feels suffocated by the never-ending to-do lists that life seems to throw at us all.  It's been taking a toll on her sleeping and eating habits, not to mention her overall happiness. 

     A few days ago, when she vented to her extremely considerate, loving boyfriend about how she was feeling, he told her (in addition to giving standard helpful advice that anyone would give) that they would work on it together, that he would help her create a plan to get her feeling back on track with her life again. 

    After telling me this she smiled and recognized how lucky she is to have a supportive man like this in her life, "but," she said, "if I let him help me get out of this slump I'm in, will that make me too dependent on him?"

    Hmm.  My first reaction was, "Absolutely not."  After all, isn't one of the greatest things about being in a relationship having someone who actually gives a damn and wants you to be happy?   But another side of me wonders if we should be able to get through our problems on our own, and if just knowing that her boyfriend is there for her should be enough.  Maybe it's not healthy for her boyfriend to also play the role of her therapist (although I must say it's too bad he's not a psych major because he is awfully good at it).

    Furthermore, even though her boyfriend is more loyal than a golden retriever and clearly loves her, she's worried that by telling him about her problems too much--even if it's just "ugh, my class was so boring" type stuff--that she will drive him crazy to the point where he doesn't want to put up with it anymore.  Keep in mind that my friend is really not a complainer or a negative person, but she doesn't like keeping emotions bottled up.  "It's comfortable knowing that when we talk on the phone at night that I have him to let out my frustrations to," my friend told me.  "And I don't want to act like everything is fine when it's not.  But how much is too much?  I'm just waiting for him to go, 'UGH, ENOUGH ALREADY!'"

    What do you all think?  Does allowing people to help us with our problems take away from our independence and individual growth?  And should she be letting her frustrations out on a punching bag or a diary instead?  Are there certain stories and feelings we should just save for our girlfriends?  Or should she be able to tell her boyfriend whatever is on her mind, good or bad, if he really loves her?

Comments (22)

  • dear__Konstantine@xanga

    as long as her complaints to her boyfriend even out with the positives, then there's nothing wrong with this arrangement. Working through her struggles together will strengthen the relationship, as long as she makes sure that they still have fun together, and the relationship doesn't become too much work.

  • mynameisblueskye@xanga

    "Does allowing people to help us with our problems take away from our independence and individual growth?" That's a good response to any session of giving advice.

  • wideopenskies@xanga

    She should definitely share what's on her mind with her boyfriend. If he sees that it helps her, wouldn't that be strengthening the relationship, because he knows he's assisting in making her happy?

    I don't think she should worry about it. It's a mutual support system, and we silly humans DO need each other. Venting and showing him that he's needed now is okay. It won't make her a totally dependent person, especially if she's worried about that happening. Also, I bet if he were in her shoes, she'd want to know what's on his mind, good or bad.

    A little help from others can inspire us to keep going - which does show us what we're really made of.

  • perfectionSeeker@xanga

    it's not wrong if she let's her boyfriend help her and it's not wrong when she talk to him about her problems, because it's just a matter of time then she wll go back to the normal her, and if my boyfriend what support me when im through those kinda of stuff, then  what is his part ? ?
    people should be able to share the sadness moment with people as much as being able to share the happy moments !

  • tryingtofind_me@xanga

    Part of being in a relationship is accepting, loving, and supporting people despite their crazies. He'll help her, she'll find her footing again and it will help everything including the relationship. And unless he's perfect (which he isn't) there will come the day when she has to help him out with something similar.

  • Shy___Away@xanga

    Um... Yes, we should let others help us when we're having problems.

  • Katja88@xanga

    Great post.  I've thought about this, too, and I know he has as well.  It's another step closer together, emotional intimacy, that's for sure.  But I'm glad that I can come to him and he helps me out.  More than that, I'm glad I can reciprocate.  Certainly there needs to be a line somewhere, and I try not to turn my anger on to him, but we're glad to share both the good and the bad.

  • Insomnia_Pickles_XtraTomato@xanga

    i dont know, i wonder the same things sometimes. because....

    i was in a car accident 4 months ago, and my boyfriend has been just completely wonderful the whole time, i can't drive (i had serious head trauma and a seizure afterwards) and we live an hour apart, he still makes it down here at least once a week. i don't really have any other friends around anymore, they're all away at school, i graduated early, and my part-time job is kinda crappy and i'm just not close to anyone there yet. he takes me out when i so really ... i was thinking today. if i wasnt dating him, my life would suck SO HARD. its like i barely realize how amazing he has been. but at the same time, am i dependent on him? idk. i've told him before he doesnt need to come see me every week, its a lot of miles on his old car. i know i could GET BY if he wasnt around, life would just be that much more bleak. but, he said he needs to.


    i still don't like to talk to him too much about my problems, which seem to be exloding all over the place in my wreckage of a family right now, i usually just try to fill him in and move on. (unless i visit my dad at my old house where i used to live up until last summer, and i see what a mess its become with him living there all alone and i can't help but cry.)

    maybe JUST a little bit of needing each other evens everything out in the end?
  • shillykins

    Oh man, I'm always talking about random crap so if I had a boyfriend who I can't talk to, then I'd have a big problem.


    To have someone THAT close to her, (who also seems pretty mother effin sweet) and someone who she CAN depend on, then why not depend on him?


    At least she KNOWS that she might come off as annoying but how can she become more comfortable around a boyfriend without... being comfortable around a boyfriend? Telling him random things, going to him for advice.


    And he seems like the kind of guy who will help out instead of complain. (I think.)

  • kuro_kokoro@xanga

    hahas shes just gotta go through it and figure out where the details become too much. and when that happens, of course there will possibly be some annoyances and fights. btu thats what makes the relationship stronger right? and she will also become stronger too as she learns to deal with the "details" herself.


    but of course.... theres ALWAYS gonna be dependency in a relationship. but when that becomes a problem. deal with it then. one problem at a time xD
  • sadesecret@xanga

    I'm actually going through the same issue myself. Although my boyfriend doesn't really want to hear about my problems. He just suggests I work on them and he'll work on his. So needless to say I'm rethinking this relationship. We are both experiencing financial and work issues (we don't live together). I understand working on oneself but not being able to share these things is upsetting me. It's hard to understand how much is too much or what is enough.

  • jasonwl@xanga

    All stressful issues should be shared by both people in a relationship; without lashing out at each other however.  Working out every issue together lightens the overall burden on both.  There are multiple (possibly many) benefits:

    1.  Less stress for the main bearer of the issue.
    2.  Peace of mind knowing you always have full support of your partner.
    3.  Added strength and greater love to the relationship by showing of support.
    4.  Less stress by not worrying about how your issues will burden the other.
    ...
    n.  Everything is much easier because stress is relatively almost nil.

    Relieving stress is important because, whether mental/emotional/physical(which could all affect each other significantly) effectively are, to varying degrees, breaks to your cognitive abilities.

    Add more to your mental list and you can gain more appreciation for your "supportive" SO.

  • softaswater@xanga

    if he really loves her, he wont go "enough already"

    but to avoid being that whiney girlfriend just tell her not to just whine, whine constructively! try to delve into why there are problems and what to do about them
  • SpiritedTangent@xanga

    We are too much of an individualized society. If a person is lucky enough to have regular people in their lives (non-therapists) that are willing and capable of helping them sort things out, I think that is even better than a therapist. However, I mean that for the short term and the not-too-terrible. There are many things that a person should go to a therapist for, partially because even though it's great having someone you love help you, and so validating, you need to give that person a rest, too. You -don't- want it to become -only- a Dr. Phil relationship, and if you're having serious problems that you really should see a third party about, it might be better to do that. I'm a huge advocate of counseling, being that I've been in it for 8 years and it has drastically changed my life, but I'm also an advocate of talking with people who love and care about you, if you can. Not everyone is lucky enough to have anyone in their lives who can listen and offer GOOD advice.

    I think she should talk with her boyfriend about the basics, and she can even talk to her boyfriend about whether or not either of them thinks she should take it to a counselor.

    Good luck to her.

  • anonymous

    I've tried keeping everything to myself and not letting anyone help me with anything. I was independent, but I was miserable. If a person cares enough to ask what's wrong when you say you're "okay", tell him/her. And reciprocate.

  • cherryluva7@xanga

    I was just thinking about this last week with my boyfriend.  I went to a funeral without him.  In the past my sisters have always been there go with me.  Now they are married, so I was alone.  I had never wanted my boyfriend by my side so much in my life.  I thought to my self, "Oh no!  You're attached again!  This is how bad things happen!"  But then as I was reading this I thought, "Hmm...perhaps since I did get through it by myself I am not dependent on him." I made it through without him there by my side.  I would have much preferred for him to be there, but the fact that I still could make it through without him shows that I still do have some form of independence.  Did that make sense?

  • tracezilla@lovelyish

    She should always be able to be honest with her boyfriend about her thoughts and feelings.

    There is nothing wrong with asking for and/or accepting help when you really need it. SOs are supposed to lean on each other a bit. You don't have to surrender your independence in order to accept help once in a while. Sometimes we genuinely need the help. There should be nothing shameful about it and it doesn't mean that you're becoming co-dependent on anyone or anything. Its just how you deal with things in the future. EVERY time you have the SLIGHTEST issue, are you coming to your SO or friend or family member and expecting them to fix it FOR you? If so, that's a definite problem. But, the way to stop that lies within yourself.

    But, this is not a slight issue. She has changed her mind about what she wants to go to college for, and she has yet to make up her mind about what her new career goal is going to be. This is a problem, because this determines her future and you are graduating in May. She doesn't have to go to college right after high school, but there are a lot of opportunities that could definitely be lost if she doesn't. These are life decisions that largely determine her future. This is important. She is bogged down and overwhelmed with everything she has to do, and with the necessity to figure out what she wants to do with her life in just a few short months. Accepting help right now from her SO would be a very GOOD thing to do.

    Also, if what he seems to be saying in this recount is true, then he is not saying he is going to fix everything for her. He is saying that he will help her to figure things out, get organized and everything else. This does not equate to doing it for her, this is doing it with her and really in a case like this she is going to be making the major decisions because these are life altering decisions and only she can decide what she wants to do and what is right for her.

  • JennyGee@xanga

    @sadesecret@xanga - yeah, i had a relationship like that.  i didn't realize how badly it sucked until i was out of it.  i'm glad to hear you're rethinking.

    i think it really depends on the nature of the relationship.  how long have they been dating?  is the relationship healthy?  is he in a helping profession and feels like he needs to "save" everybody all the time?  has she helped him in the past?  is she depressed?

    these are all important questions to ask when examining whether or not depending on him in this way is the most beneficial thing for her or the relationship.  if they've been going out for a while and support each other, that's awesome.  if they've been going out only a few months and he's trying to get her to depend on him for everything- that might not be healthy.

    either way, i think it's important to be able to share both good and bad things.  if she feels like she's getting whiny, she can make sure to remember to include positive and funny things to try to balance it out.  that's helped me when i feel like too much of a Debbie Downer, haha

  • KittySolntsova@xanga

    A while ago, I was just discussing this issue with my man.  I was afraid to become dependent on him and would quite often just struggle and tussle my way with some things.  He said, he doesn't expect me to ever become completely reliant on him, it's nice to know I can be independent too but it's even nicer to know that sometimes I need him to be there, be the man and let me just depend on him a little while.

    When he comes home from a long day at work, tired and frustrated.  I'm just glad he would complain about his day to me, because while there isn't much I can do to change the crappy sequence of events, at least I'm there to listen and to provide some encouragement so he still is motivated to go back and go at 'em the next day.  A good loving partner such as the one your friend has got here probably doesn't mind listening if it makes her feel better.  Just as long as it's not an everyday long speech of grievances thing!

    I get hung up with my university projects sometimes and worried about where I'm going to be later in life.  I worry that everyone tells me I've got all sorts of abilities and capabilities to go up a good length of the corporate ladder, and that my career will in reality come and go without a single glorious moment or even living up to the high expectations people have of me.  And I'm glad I talk to my man about these hang-ups, because he'll sit me down and give me a good talk that inspires me and gives me the renewed belief in myself.  If I had to do it alone, I'd probably have a heart attack already from all the stress.

    Sometimes by allowing people to help us with our problems introduces new perspectives and attitudes that inspire our own personal growth.  Keeping a diary or punching the woohoo out of a punching bag could be good for immediate venting too.  It helps talking to girlfriends, but we girls have more a tendency to show empathy, b***h about it with you a bit, make long lengthy conversations with you, but we're not that good at ultimately making practical advice.  She should be able to tell her boyfriend anything that's on her mind, just bearing in mind that it's probably a better way to start off by letting him know she's about to say what's something that may be lengthy, and she'd just like him to listen and maybe give her some good wisdom at the end of it.

  • jzrocker@xanga

    wow, your friend sounds just like me! I can't help it. It's so comfortable to depend on someone and at the same time, fear that at any moment, something's gonna be the last straw.

  • another_diamond_in_the_rough@xanga

    I'm the same way. I struggle with anxiety and depression and it can really suck at times. I vent a little to the bf and he said he doesn't mind as long as it helps but I get worried that I'll do it too much and drive him crazy. Maybe that's just the low self-esteem talking...

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