Monday, 14 December 2009
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"I Just Don't Think That's Rough Sex, Right?"
My friend Patrick recently came to me for girl advice, and because I can not stand to hear him whine, I was more than happy to help. He had been doing the nasty with Emily for a couple months when, one night, he decided to get a little adventurous. You know, a little spanking here, a little hair pulling there. Nothing most of us weren't doing with our gym teacher in high school, right? I mean, I personally, don't see anything wrong with a little slap and tickle, especially if you are in a loving and committed relationship (read: getting good presents).
Emily, however, was horrified. She informed Patrick that she wasn't into "rough sex" and felt "disrespected". Patrick was completely surprised by her reaction and added insult to injury by telling her that it wasn't anything he hadn't done before with previous girlfriends. Hm, not the brightest crayon in the box, but usually the one with the most money so he gets laid anyway. Emily left in tears, and Patrick, worried that he was a sexual deviant, (and that he would never see Emily's boobies again), called me. Should I be insulted or flattered?
"I just don't think that's 'rough' sex, right? It's not like I slapped her across the face, and it was all in good fun. Do you think I did something wrong? " He asks. Obviously, you don't want to do something in bed that would make your partner feel uncomfortable because you care about them, (and also, you want them to keep having sex with you), but at the same time, how exactly do you broach the topic in the heat of the moment? Do you casually ask "Hey, can I slap your ass?" while your plowing someone?
I tell Patrick that I'm really not sure. While I certainly think it's Emily's prerogative to draw the line, it kind of shocks me that she reacted so strongly to the situation. A simple "Hey, I don't like that" would have saficed, no? He begs me not to tell anyone, and I let him know I'll think the whole thing over (i.e. blog about it on here so that strangers can judge & dissect his sex life). So, readers, what do you think? Is this girl making a big deal over nothing, or am I just a slut?
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well, i dont like my hair pulled, and unless he is smaking my butt, i dont think I'd be appreciative. To her, that may have been rougher than she prefferred... so, "rough" sex is all opinion to me.
I dont think that was rough at all but everyone has a different definition for everything. Plus, we dont know this emily very well-was she abused when she was younger? Or was in a horrible relationship before patrick where the guy did the same thing? Either one of those could elicit a response such as the one she gave.
yeah i think it's all in regards to one's personal preferences. to her, that may have been way more rough than she would have liked. while we see it as not rough at all.
first off.. picture at the top: HOT
well.. he did make a (REALLY) bad move saying that it wasn't anything he hadn't done with his previous girlfriends. that's just going to make her feel like there's something wrong with her for not liking it (hair pulling and whatnot) like the other girls (i guess) did. but like you said, she could have just said hey i don't like that. either way he should just talk to her about it and tell her he didn't know what her reaction was going to be but he now understands that she doesn't like it and won't do it anymore.
I think when a couple is comfortable in being with each other, the Q&A of what is allowed in the sex department generally happens naturally. The more you think it's a difficult topic to bring up, you just assume what's okay for YOU is okay for your partner, and that's how you end up with a case like Patrick and Emily. I don't know how often they've been "doing it" or if they've been dating for long, but clearly she's not in a comfortable place in their "relationship" to have discussed how far she's willing to act out a fantasy.
For all you and Patrick know, Emily might be harboring a deep seated fantasy about tying up her greased up man with leather bindings, but they'll never know because Patrick decided to assume his definition of "rough sex" covers Emily's comfort zone as well. Making an ass of yourself by assuming what is OKAY for one is not the case for the other. And unless Emily comes first to admit that she might have acted over the top, Patrick is not going to see Emily's boobies for a while.
NEXT TIME, BRING IT UP...in a cuddle moment, watching a funny but crude movie, I don't recommend talking about it while eating though, and when TWO PEOPLE are comfortable being with each other. If it's just for the SEX, then bring it up in a matter of factly environment so they both understand the rules of hanky-panky. I hope this helped.
@wolvenchic@xanga - i agree. it's opinion. If it's something she didn't like, then obviously she is going to react towards it. If someone did something you don't like, no matter what it is, your going to react. So , maybe she did overreact , but then again , it was something that bugged her so she has a right to do so.. I think they should just talk it out, and set boundries BEFORE doing the deed that way this kind of thing can be avoided.
You NEVER strike someone (or pull on them) in ANY way without their consent. Bottom line. NO.
Patrick should have asked, preferably before anything started happening, but you can make the question sexy (i.e., what do you think talking dirty is about? "You want me to spank you, baby?" or something...don't want to get too NSFW...).
Emily WAS disrespected because Patrick didn't consider her feelings on the subject worth exploring before he acted. Emily could have been abused or raped in the past - or she could just really, really not like being touched that way. Her reasons don't matter: her consent does. She did not consent, and thus what he did was unacceptable.
No, he's not sexually deviant - but he is immature and insensitive. An apology is in order, and respect for Emily's (or any future partners') boundaries. Hopefully he'll learn his lesson.
just because his previous gfs didn't mind rough sex doesn't necessarily mean that she will like it and even if it was playful slapping or spanking, it might not be enjoyable for the other person. they should've talked about their sexual preferences before having sex. if she compromises, then he might advance to rougher things later like bondage or anal. who knows.
Maybe she brought it up that she wouldnt like that once before, but your friend wasn't paying attention, in that case obviously she's not overreacting or anything. I'd be pissed to.
But if it was never brought up he'd never know. In that case, she should calm down and sit and talk to him about it.
everyone's different. some people like to be insulted and thrown around, other people are afraid of the smallest spanks or pulls because it's a little loss of control. I personally don't think it was rough sex, and I do think she overreacted. she's allowed to have been upset, but when he hardly did anything to her, she shouldn't be so extreme about it. he didn't do much wrong, but what he DID do wrong was not ask her about it before they had sex that night. I mean, yeah, the whole heat of the moment thing can easily make things worse or better, and you have to make a decision quickly and under pressure. but if they've been fucking for a couple months and she never said anything was wrong with what they'd been doing, then he shouldn't just assume she would be okay with that. I guess now he knows that just because his past sex buddies have liked that stuff, doesn't mean his future ones will. communication is key to safe, comfortable, pleasurable, exciting sex.
Your friend is a prude or embarrassed to admit she would like to try that. If he doesn't beat her, then why not? Maybe she's a begginner terrified of what she's not familiar with.
hey if it hurts her it hurts her and there has to be something wrong.
What a weakling. Rough sex isn't rough sex unless someone is bashing the piss out of you. End of story.
that sucks. it's definitely not rough, but that's generally something you bring up in casual couply-conversation to get permission for before it happens.
wowwww. that was SO NOT rough sex. but I guess if that's how she feels he should just respect her wishes. although honestly I don't ever expect a guy to ask before he spanks or hair pulls. I would assume he would do it and then see what my reaction is.
ummm... I looked up "scat" porn once on google.
I saw images of two fully clothed gay men eating a pizza topped with poop.
She'll change her mind once she's seen that image.
That is really fucking rough...
Also, that partner sounds boring.
In and out gets boring after a while.
@envisionedlight@aol.com - I agree!!!
While I personally don't think it's rough (but that's just me), I agree that he should've talked to her about it. If they're having sex - and obviously, they have been for several months - it shouldn't be something they should be afraid to talk about. A simple, "hey, what do you think if I tried ____?" BEFORE he tries it would clear it up. Obviously, he was an idiot for his comment with other girls, but still. A good time to broach the subject would be during post-sex cuddling, I think (at least, it has been for me)... "mid-plow", as the OP put it, would be awkward haha.
personally, it sounds to me that she reacted more strongly to the fact that he seemed to dismiss her feelings, rather than his actions. I mean, if I were saying to someone, "I don't feel comfortable with that," the last thing I'd want to hear is, "Oh, it's not THAT rough," or "it wasn't anything I haven't done before with other girls." Had he just said, "Sorry, I should've asked, next time I'll see how you feel about it," I don't think she would've been so angry.
There are many different types of sex, and you definitely have to gauge a partner on what you would thing that they would like. Â If the sex up until then has been more loving and tender, then she may not even like a spanking. Â If it is more hot and animal style, then all is good. Â I suspect that the sex up until now has not really involved anything too spicy and that is why she was shocked. Â In any case, most of the times, girls will come around as they feel more comfortable and open to try new things.Â
Sounds like he and Emily didn't lay the ground rules before doing the nasty. Common mistake, but he should call and apologize. They should also have a good talk about what each considers acceptable (and not acceptable) in the bedroom. Or wherever else he (or she) may think about doing the deed. ;)
If Emily isn't comfortable with it, it shouldn't be a question. He shouldn't push her.
"Rough sex" is very subjective. But in this case, I think the girl just make a big deal over nothing. But, yeah, we need to particularly make it clear what Patrick means by 'a little spanking'.
Rough sex, always a +.
I'm married and my husband and I still make sure to talk about trying new things in the bedroom before we just go for it. And if he wanted to keep seeing Emily's boobies and to continue getting tasty treats from her, he certainly should have talked about it before giving himself a lifetime ban on boobtown.
looks like he just pulled out his ex-rulers...