Saturday, 12 December 2009
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WYD a Much Less Attractive Person than Yourself?
Last year I wrote several self-reflective notes on facebook on a range of topics. I received a lot of feedback on many of my posts and many were well received by my 'facebook' friends. Sometime in March 2008 I also formed a facebook group which sought to inspire debate and discussion on issues related with existing power struggles and inequalities between men and women in my country. At some point I posted an excerpt of an article entitled "Why is Beauty on Parade" by De Clarke (1983) (see below) that I found while browsing on the net, and waited for people to comment.
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"What is femininity?"
Beauty in women is provably equal to femininity. To be unfeminine is almost always the same as to be un-beautiful…What is feminine? Smallness is feminine; cleanness is feminine; a high voice is feminine; helplessness and cowa...rdice, and correspondingly dependency and admiration for others, are feminine. Femininity is learned; girls are "brought up" to be "ladies," or they "run wild" (getting dangerous ideas about self-sufficiency and courage). Femininity also requires vanity--a preoccupation with one's appearance (an acceptance of the idea that one's worth depends on being attractive).
Beauty takes time; it is also learned ("Her First Barbie," says the ad; "Long hair is easy for little hands to style." Along with Suzy Homemaker domestic training for preschoolers goes indoctrination into the necessity of female beauty.)--as well-trained mothers train their daughters in turn to pluck, to shave, to pain...t, to be judged, never to be satisfied.
An "attractive man" on the other hand is not small, nor does he have a high voice. His is resourceful, modest, and independent (to the point of becoming robotic); he is not afraid to get his hands dirty. He should be embarrassed if caught worrying unduly about his appearance or clothes; it would betray an unmasculine insecurity and vanity. (People may call him a faggot if he dresses too neatly and prettily.) He should appear natural (not made-up); mascara and face powder are definitely damning evidence of unmanliness. He can choose to shave his beard or not, and still be dashing; even a "healthy sweat" is charming in the right masculine context.
An attractive woman, then, is insecure, immature, vain, short, timid (quiet and fearful except when protected by her man), and dependent. She should also be young. An attractive man should be tall, mature, reasonably hairy, self-assured (even aggressive) and outgoing. Is it really coincidence that the m...an ends up with the powerful, impressive personality--and the woman ends up (by psychiatric standards) close to the borderline of neurotic?
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This article spurred a lot of discussion. For me, 'who' and 'what' is considered "hot", "attractive" or "beautiful" is entirely subjective. It depends on one's standards, likes and preferences, for instance. So I fully agree with the idiom that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Besides, while attractiveness and beauty are important and have an initial bearing on whom we decide to couple with, it's pointless marrying a fantastic looking guy or girl with whom you have no mental connection. A mental connection lasts but beauty - outer beauty that is - fades. Of course, it would be fantastic to find and couple with a guy or girl whom you find attractive, hot or what not and with whom you also connect with...that is perhaps the ultimate. Who doesn't want that?
Anyhow, most people agreed with my point of view. However, as all discussions do, the focus started to shift. I argued that today middle-aged married women, generally speaking stay attractive and are more 'fit' than their married male counterparts. Think beer belly, receding hairlines and love handles - think middle-aged married men. You may think that this statement is highly debatable and would depend on the context of that observation. And you are right. Yet, based on my observations, and the many women I meet in my own country, women today are making more effort to look good even after they marry (especially in a society, mine included, which rewards beauty). Women are expected to stay youthful and beautiful. If they don't, than their man is likely to stray.
However, and again this is based on my observations and not on empirical research, when men reach a certain age (especially if they're married) many let themselves go. This kind of sucks because if you're a middle-aged female (especially in your 40s), separated (we have no divorce here) and eligible for dating, than the probability of finding an attractive, 'fit' (and intelligent) man your age is rather slim. Since the male-to-female attractiveness ratio is rather skewed, eligible middle-aged men have it really good because there is an ample supply of attractive women in each age cohort. Women, on the other hand, would have to look for younger guys - if attractiveness is an essential criterion of what they seek in a date or mate. Some of my female friends actually do opt for younger guys.
The discussion then turned to another observation. One of my male friends argued that women would in fact go out with a much less attractive man than themselves. Some even date "ugly" guys. However, he said that you'd never see an attractive guy date a "minger." Because, and he said this not me, "men are more shallow than women are" in this regard. They have something to prove. To that I say...huh, like what? And for whom?
So what are your thoughts on these issues? And would you date a much less attractive person than yourself?
Now for today's song post. Well I can think of no better song than Beautiful by Christina Aguilera. This is a song that I've often listened to and is one of my favourites. And as we say in Maltese - il messag jinstab fid-diska meaning "The message is in the song" http://www.clipland.com/Summary/701007081
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Yes, I would.
Yeah but it wouldn't be to make myself look better like many of the immature airheads out there.
If I was attracted to him and he was what I wanted as a person.
i didn't read the post. too long, but i would.
I'd date anyone as long as I had feelings for them. To me, appearances are trivial.
@XoAsianBabioX@xanga - haha same here. It seems like all datingish posts are super long o_O
Yeah. Hafta have someone around to make me look better, right? =P
Totally kidding btw.
this seems shallow if you don't
it's all about trust, personality, chemistry, etc. etc. looks is just a plus.
Have before. Matter of fact all my boyfriends have been less attractive than me. In my eyes it doesn't really matter. Ok well to an extent it does. But personality always wins me over.
@ChelseaSmilesMore@xanga - @XoAsianBabioX@xanga - Why not read the whole thing?
I mean, a longer post, when it stays on topic, is often more well-written and thought provoking.
I'm just saying, if you're going to comment on someone's post, that they took the time to write, why not at least take the time to read it all?
In response to the post, I don't know if it's my place to judge if someone is more or less attractive than me. And, really, I think my boyfriend's hot, I don't care if anyone else agrees or not. I think it's more what's inside that counts - Thoughts, opinion, personality. At least, that's what I go for. :]
i probably wouldn't, but that's because i'm super super fugly.
too lazy to read that, but in the opinions of alot of people i know... I've been dating someone much less attractive than me for over a year now. but i dont care. he's everything i want so i look past his looks.
my only issue is i weigh 100 pounds and hes nearing 200 (although he's 6ft tall)...
honestly, as terrible as this sounds, the only thing i can see breaking us up ever would be if he became obese. beauty is skin deep, but weight is health and since i'm a nursing major i'm a health freak.
@blackspiders@xanga - because WYD is supposed to be short and sweet.
Maybe if he was really nice and sweet;but other than that Idon't think I would.
where I am, they make fun of you for dating someone who's not attractive. It's okay if they're average, but if they're kinda ugly then you will get teased for who you're dating.
lets be honest, usually, its the chick who dates down. Because guys always go for the hottest girl they can get, and woman are more emotionally attracted rather than physically. Soooo a lotta the ladies here are gonna say yes theyd date down, but the men on the other hand...
ive seen goodlooking guys date less attractrive girls
Attractiveness is subjective. I've found some guys cute while others disagreed. If someone loves me and treats me with respect, those are the most important traits I seek in a SO.
Yup, I have dated men I weren't that attracted to. The good-looking population is not a big pool to choose from...so whatevs...
Nope. People may want to neglect the importance of appearances, but from your other post where you described your move to Malta, we know that they do indeed play a part (especially when you're just looking to date someone). Frankly, I think it would be hard to date someone who is much less attractive than you. The less attractive person would most likely worry about their more attractive partner cheating. I've seen it happen. And the more attractive partner, while probably mentally and emotionally filled by their partner, may find their eyes wandering frequently. Plus, c'mon, is anyone really going to tell me that physical/sexual attraction isn't really important.
I guess there are two ways to take the phrase "less attractive" though. I'm interpreting it as meaning "someone you find less attractive than others" as opposed to "someone who everyone else thinks is less attractive than you". I don't care if other people think a person isn't attractive enough for me. If I'm attracted to her, that's what matters. But if she isn't that attractive on my own scale, than there is no way things could click and stay that way.
Yes, looks aren't high up on the list for me.
No. Looks are part of the package for me and while it's not all I focus on, it's a big enough deal for me to where I wouldn't really consider dating far below my standards/own level of attractiveness. If I'm not attracted to the person I'm dating on some physical level, then what's the point?
No.
if he isn't a bore and decent looking, I'd date him. if he is hot but boring, I'd dump him.
Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. However, us guys do feel we need an attractive girl as well as personality. It's almost a must. Really, everyone is looking for the same thing which is someone they really connect with and want to be with. I haven't found that in anyone since my last girlfriend yet. Looks sometimes may be a "for the time being" kind of relationship.