i hate it when feminists say women aren't dependent on men or don't need men. yes, we are, and yes, we do. the relationship between women and men is a codependent one. if women didn't need men and vice versa, there wouldn't be two of us.

and women are not as physically strong as men. i absolutely hate it when women call that a stereotype. no, it's not a stereotype, it's a fact. take a man and a woman, give them the same weightlifting routine with the same weighted equipment, i guarantee you the man will be stronger. men have more testosterone, they are going to be stronger.

as far as emotionally stronger? well, i think that varies from person to person. women in general though are the weaker sex. do i think being weaker means that we're inferior? no, it just means that we're different. and we're supposed to be; we have different roles.

i have to be honest, i kind of just skipped around in this post and only got the majority, but i agree.

yeah i like girls kthnx. save yo preachin'.

It's important to acknowledge that there are real differences between men and women, beyond the obvious. Muscle mass is one. Aggression is another; though both males and females express aggression, usually males use physical violence and females use deception and subtlety. (Men are to war as women are to espionage.)

Yet... I think that you have walked onto a slippery slope here. It's one thing to say that men are physically stronger and more likely to be physically aggressive... it's quite another to suggest that women should accept being inherently "weaker" and that feminism is fundamentally wrong.

Feminism has done wonderful things for our world: the mere fact that women can vote, own property, wear the clothes they want to wear---these are the achievements of feminism. Surely some feminists have gone too far (those who reject heterosexuality, for instance); perhaps the feminist movement in general has overstepped its bounds. But you cannot plausibly deny that feminism has done good things for the world.

Unfortunately, this will probably always be an issue in human society, because Homo sapiens is a just-barely dimorphic species. If we were radically dimorphic, like many insects, there would be no debate because males and females would be incorrigibly different. If instead we were virtually non-dimorphic, like hyenas, equality might well be obvious to anyone. But in our current state, there are real differences, yet they are mild and often overcome by individual variation; as such, feminism is at once necessary and problematic.

I would like nothing more than to be given the opportunity to be the woman in a relationship and have him be the man...but I seem unable to find a man who wants to be a man such that you describe or who truly values a woman, such that you describe. It takes both to play their roles to fully allow the other to be all they can be.

@salvatruca_stalking_havok13@xanga - I agree 100% with what you're saying. I think what she wrote  belittles females, but in a sly, watered-down way. It's not okay to generalize females as weak damsels in distress. I'm fed up that people still think that way.

@godofthelost@xanga - Exactly. I dont believe in "roles" for either side to be fair. Feminism got started because women wanted to be equal with men, not better. There's nothing wrong with that.

*eyeroll*

Feminism does not mean "guys getting whipped" but good try. It means equality, choice, and personal responsibility. Saying, "women should ONLY behave like the inferior sex because in general, they are physically weaker," is the same as saying, "black people should ONLY live near the equator because they are biologically more suited for sunny climates."

All I know is I love men, and I like being a girl. I know I won't be physically stronger than most guys. But that doesn't matter. I need guys around or I'll go crazy.

There are a lot of guys that I am stronger than, can run faster than, and am more intelligent than. I don't make a point to do that, I just am. I like it, most of my friends are guys. I'm still feminine. I'm dating someone. I like skirts and shopping and high heels. I also like knowing that I can beat my friends in Halo. I don't need to be "weak" in order to feel protected by a man. That's just me. 

"Beautiful, simple, innocent in their own special way."

Your romanticization of femaleness makes me want to puke.

That said, feminism isn't about "guys getting whipped." It's about equality.

I think it varies GREATLY from relationship to relationship, and down to person to person. If that's what you feel is right, I'm happy for you, and glad you have solid values... and to everyone who's denouncing her ideals in such a mean way, you have to remember that it's not up to her to tell you how to treat your SO or how you should demand to be treated. You also cannot tell her what to do. To each his own.

The devaluation of femininity while society simultaneously encourages women to fit into a clear feminine end of the dichotomy creates pressures on both directions that make you screwed no matter what as a woman. if you're feminine, you're too feminine for some feminists. if you're masculine in some ways, people start to criticize your for not being feminine enough.

That being said, the author's writing about what women should be like still makes me sort of ill. I'm not going to repress parts of myself for the sake of some man's ego you dumb twit.

 If there's some percieved threat by men, then I'm not going to say "Oh poor little men might be trumped by a chick". I'm going to say, "May the best win"

@an_addictfor_dramatics@xanga - the author isn't doing much that harms others, and she could be doing a lot worse, but it is in fact perfectly okay to tell people when they're wrong. the alternative morally relativistic world is something i don't think you'd like very much either.

@msnatalie27@xanga - exactly! I suppose a lot of people don't actually know how much variation there is in biological expression or how much of a spectrum. I don't think people really know what it means for something to be biologically determined, or the fact that the environment and biology interact with each other.

i think that there should be an equal amount of dominence in a relationship, even though sometimes its very hard to find a relationship that is like that and yes a dominate person should be with a more submisve person in order for the relationship to move forward, because two dominate ppl would constantly butt heads and two submissve ppl's relationship would move along very slowly, but one thing that i cannot stand to see is when a woman controls the relationship and makes the man cater to her every need.  That is the most annoying thing to me, i have a friend who does that to her fiance and they are only gettin married because she is forcing him to marry her, so her fiance is either going to realize how much he is unhappy and leave her or he going to become an alcoholic.