Thursday, 29 October 2009
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A Toast to All the Nice Guys
I didn't write this. Found it on the internet somewhere and found it quite interesting.
"This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.
This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.
This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.
The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative bitches. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.
So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgment, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming."
So, Datingish, agree or disagree? Do nice guys really finish last?
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sigh...I'm so sick of this nice guy/bad boy thing...what about the guys in-between which is the majority of the guy population?
No. They don't. There are great girls out there who really appreciate the nice guy and they are the nice girls to them. Like nice guys, you have to find the nice girls too. So, a toast to the nice guys and girls.
i just found a nice guy!
"And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should."
that's the one part that bugs me. If all they're in for is to get laid, then no, I don't feel sorry for them and they're not nice guys after all.
But for the guys who legitimately do want that girl as a girlfriend and come in second to jerks, I do feel for them. I wish I could say it's something girls grow out of, but heck, how many wives do you see having affairs? It took me awhile to get out of that train of thought-- after dating four jerks and falling head over heels for two, I realized that a nice guy was everything I wanted without the charades and deception. (Ironically, I tried dating a "nice guy", and all he wanted to use me for was making out and such. this is the same guy who spreads the above post on Facebook, feeling sorry for himself. oy.) My current boyfriend though is a "nice guy", and I can honestly say that it's so great not dating a jerk for once ^____^
In my opinion, i dont think nice guys need the acknowledgment. I think the nice guys are better off not dealing with the drama that the girls you're interpreting tend to bring. Nice guys eventually win in the end if they're patient and confident.
So, frankly, this is my problem with the whole 'nice guys' thing:
Most of them don't finish last because they're 'nice'. They finish last because they are pushovers. There is a huge difference.
Opening doors, helping people when they're upset, escorting drunk girls home.. that's all nice. No, really, it is. But then...
"And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor."
What the fuck? Here the guy clearly has an opinion but won't voice it because it 'isn't nice'. Being 'nice' doesn't mean you can't express yourself. It means that you're respectful. If a guy never expresses himself, it makes him look like he either doesn't think or doesn't have enough confidence to say a simple point of view.
And neither of those are appealing.
Confident nice guys do not finish last. Pushovers do.
Frankly, I'd be afraid of dating a pushover. He'd be 'too nice to date' because I wouldn't know if he felt like I was taking advantage of him (like the girl did in the party scenario you mentioned) and I wouldn't know if he'd take a stand if he felt he needed to.
I want to date a person with opinions and a voice, not someone who will do anything I want without complaint.
*waits for post titled "A Toast to All the Nice Girls"*
No such thing as a nice guy :P
@DeathzDezign@xanga - Yes sirrey!
Nice guys don't need the acknowledgment because they know it. Everyone around them know it. And that is the only acknowledgment they need.
But I agree: a TOAST to them all!
@stardustskye@xanga - being nice to laid (as one "should" ... eye roll) isn't very nice, huh?
Parts of this I like, parts I don't.
There are some genuinely great guys out there that get passed over. Guys that are considerate, chivalrous, doting, but not so overwhelmingly nice that you think they're just pushovers. My boyfriend is one of those; I'm his first girlfriend, and I have to say I just can't believe it. He's the sweetest, most genuine guy I've met my entire life, and I dont' see how anyone could pass him up. He's mine now though ;D
However....the part about "even more disturbing is these guys aren't getting laid" and the part about helping her concot a rumor...those aren't nice things. Everyone does immature things, even nice guys and nice girls, but if you're toasting to the nice things about these nice guys, those aren't exactly things to be toasting to.
Thanks
I feel like I'm the only person willing to defend "And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should."
Mose nice guys aren't in it to get laid, that's what makes them a nice guy. It's not wrong to want a sexual encounter with someone. The point when that desire becomes detrimental and inappropriate is when the "nice guy" is only playing nice to get some action.
Oh, go away with this bullshit.
Women don't really like nice guys. I know it's the one thing holding me back from having a girlfriend.@unabridgedtales@xanga - Couldn't quite put my finger on what was a bit off about this post, but you've said it perfectly. Thank you.
Wow, I haven't seen this post in awhile, and yes I have posted it myself, but even if I want to align myself as one of the "nice guys," girls don't want the nice guy who will get walked over. Sometimes you have to be the "nice guy" with a little bit of an edge.
That's the thing about nice guys, they don't chase. They're rather play it safe. In love in particular, playing it safe does NOT get you the girl. You have to show them that you want to be with them and that you'll risk yourself to become a part of something special.
Just had a revelation.
@Auxesis@xanga - hmm I dont think it's "women" that dont like nice guys, more likely the ones you're going after dont like nice guys like you? which in itself should tell you something...you're approaching the wrong type of chicks...lol
@stardustskye@xanga - agreed!! It's not just about getting laid, it's about wanting a real true relationship.
haha for me there was no such thing as a nice guy
@unabridgedtales@xanga - totally agree, well said.
Kinda feels like it's always last place.. But oh well it don't bother me. >.>
@unabridgedtales@xanga - Amen! I dated a pushover-guy, and I didn't like what he forced me to become. He would always respond "Whatever you want." And he forced me to walk all over him because he wouldn't get out from under my feet. I hate walking on people. But when a guy is so "nice" that he doesn't have an opinion to share because he's afraid of making you mad or otherwise upsetting you? Seriously, man up.
-Katie
Yes, They do. And they always will. They always say how great we are, but for some unknown reason we don't "click", Yet you "click" with every other loser. Every women lies to a nice guy. It's a fact. And we all have to deal with it.
sigh, sadly true.
cheers! T_T
This thing is pretty old, nice guys put it up thinking it's defending themselves. Girls put it up thinking they're respecting nice guys. Guys and Girls put it up to bag on nice guys saying they're just like any other guy just out to get laid.
No matter if you're a nice guy or a bad guy, you're still going to want to get a girl someday. If you're acting one way just to get the girl rather than just being yourself though doesn't change the sleaziness of the act. This thing isn't that great for defending or praising nice guys though. Makes them look kind of stupid for the most part. I've done most of the things they list in here though heh.