Saturday, 29 August 2009
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Online Relationships Post Clarification
Recently posted a blog about Online Relationships.I think people are misinterpreting what I'm trying to say on there. I spent nearly an hour trying to explain what I mean.
Basically, what I meant by "Online Relationships" is by its literal meaning. By that, I mean how two people know each other from chat rooms, games, etc. So they never actually meet up, but are always behind their computer screens.
Fair enough that you're all telling me that you've met someone online, and got married with kids. I appreciate you telling me that, and congratulations for it.
But the point I'm trying to put out is when people don't actually meet up.I am sorry to those who I might have offended, but there are a lot of people out there who accidentally fell for that mistake.
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Good on you for clearing up what you meant.
See, I'm not sure that's really what you meant. Your first example in particular made it very clear that you don't believe people will fly out to see their long-distance online lover. The way you phrased it was very dismissive (what, like they'll actually do that? right lol.) and didn't leave open the possibility that yes, some people really will fly out to see the person they love (you made it clear you don't believe that an online couple can be in love) and transform it into a "real" long distance relationship.
Your entire post was basically insinuating that people don't meet up, which is pretty much ridiculous.
@Viserys@xanga - which is why i posted this to explain that i meant by the literal term of online relationship.
Thanks for clearing it up. But if people are content just doing that (I know as a teenager I did that all the time...), you shouldn't hate on them if they're just having fun.
@retardtm@xanga - Yes, I get that, your original post up there says it. No need to get all bold and italicized on me.
The fact still stands that your post the other day implies that online relationships do not and cannot progress offline (which is wrong), and that even if it's entirely online, it cannot be love (which is also wrong).
Thanks for clearing that up. I dated a guy online, and he was from another country, but we had intentions of meeting from day one. And we finally did meet and had a great time. The relationship didn't work out, and now I have decided I actually have to meet the guy before we start dating, but I have no problem with meeting people in chat rooms. There's now someone else in my life who I met online, but we've agreed to wait until we meet irl to label ourselves as a couple.
Huh? You were talking about not meeting up in your other post.
But thanks for clearing that up. I'm sure you'll stop getting flamed now that you explained what you meant. =/
Still going to get hated on this one. Even though I don't appreciate it personally, good luck.
@Viserys@xanga - how about we just leave everything how it is now please? because i've tried to clear up the misunderstanding.
freedom of speech, freedom of personal opinions, okay?
because thats what i thought blogging was about..? and comments are just ways of expanding it..?
it sounds like you're trying to back track because people are flaming you lol.
@retardtm@xanga - Sorry, can't let you off that easily.
Blogging is also about opening dialogue - that's why it's on a public medium (lolinternet).
If you don't want comments, you don't post.
I'm happy to get off your case but saying "online relationships never work" and claiming love in an online relationship is fake (you still haven't addressed this) aren't opinions, they're factually incorrectly misinformation.
You never said "oops, I'm wrong, sorry everyone". What you did do is make excuses and backpedal when everyone and their grandmother disagreed with you. You can say that you meant this or that all you want, but your original post (especially scenario one) are very, very clear.
This isn't even opening the can of worms that you are still making sweeping generalizations ("online relationships are bad, people in them are pathetic, etc") about something you admittedly have zero experience with. I frankly don't care how many of your friends come crying to you with bad online experiences. I have friends coming crying to me about their offline fiancés they've known for years in person. I don't blog about how "Engagements never work out".
Just to recap: No, I'm not going to let you make stupid generalizations just because it's in the form of a blog. You can look at my comment history. When people make sweeping, ridiculous judgments, I speak my mind about it.
EDIT: Here, let me clarify why I think you still don't get it. This is a quote from the first post.
"What
now? What are you going to do about it? Its not like you're going to
fly over there and tell that person face to face, and then ask them out.
NO!
It doesn't happen like that! Even if you tell them that you're flying
there when you're not, you're already lying to them and making fake
promises."
That's all bullshit. You say, right there that "it doesn't happen like that". That people meet up. So don't you dare say "that's not what I meant" when it's really incredibly clear in that quote.
@Viserys@xanga - but isn't a blog also an online journal? hence, the name 'blog' which derived from the word of web log?
calling an opinion factual is a contradiction. no opinions are factual. its like me saying that i like the colour red, because red is the best. there is no argument against that, because its what I, myself, personally think. its not a fact that red is the best; just an opinion.
that's where you're wrong. they're not excuses. it was how i translated the word of "online relationship", which was through literally. many people have different meanings of words. as a student studying law, i have studied many of the language rules that were required, and i came to conclusion that i, myself, translate words literally.
yes, scenario one is very clear, hence why words such as "supposedly" was used.
and also stating that some people say that they're flying out to see you when they're not going to, is also there.
you even said it yourself, quoting after me, calling it a scenario. scenario is a synopsis of a play; a prediction.
you're probably thinking that i'm lecturing you on English words, but i'm not. i'm just stating the obvious.
quite frankly, i think you're getting a little carried away with this. you're almost implying about what i can or cannot post.
i appreciate you speaking your mind about it, because that is what most people do, but i have to say that you're going slightly overboard on this situation here.
reason why i said 'it doesn't happen like that' was because of the way i pictured it.
person 1 flies to person 2, asks them out, then person 1 flies back from where they came, leaving person 2 to not see person 1 again, except for being online.
if you think that i'm making these so-called excuses up, then i'm sorry that you fail to believe me.
@Viserys@xanga - you also mentioned that i made an incorrect misinformation? therefore, i made an incorrect information that is incorrect?
basic words: i made a wrong information that is wrong?
double negative? please clarify this.
Well, I guess you're off the hook.
meeting up isnt part of a relationship? i think you have gotten lost trying to explain your "theory". Honestly, you dont know anything and you should just shut up.
@retardtm@xanga - There are a few typos in my post, but that's not one of them. "Factually incorrect misinformation" is redundant, but it's not a grammatical double negative.
I don't care what you post, I'm just saying if you post something inflammatory (I looked at the original on your blog, which was edited down a bit after submission), don't act surprised when people react to it. You're entitled to your opinion, but (whether you intended to or not) you stated something as fact, called it opinion, and then tried to clarify what you meant.
The statement "Online relationships never work out" is not an opinion. It is a statement that is either verifiably true or verifiably false. You're welcome to post why you think they're a bad idea (for the most part, you did) but you did so in an inflammatory fashion with little evidence to support your claims.
As far as me going overboard - in my opinion, the original post on your blog is out of line and overboard. I didn't say that though, because you are welcome to post it. What I did say was that if you're going to react negatively to people (who might disagree) commenting, then don't post.
A blog is a virtual journal, sure, but if you make it public then you are inviting the world to scrutinize it.
@Viserys@xanga - see, your reply is a good example of how i understand words and meanings.
i looked on your profile, and saw that you're from the US. i grew up in the UK, so we're both from different countries, therefore, we both have different meaning of words.
to me, redundant means exceeding something that is unnecessary.
i'm not acting surprised when people react to it. i didn't state a fact. a fact is something that is based on evidence and research, and has been verified.
the things i talk about are based on opinion. i have no supporting evidence of it being called a fact, and i have not once mentioned the word 'fact' on that post. so i don't know how the word 'fact' even came to this argument.
as you have mentioned, my statement is either verifiably true or false, but doesn't that mean its an opinion? because it is neither one or the other, which became a choice?
please do correct me if i'm wrong here, but are opinions choices that people decide? or decisions made by the choices available?
if you think my original post is out of line and overboard, then fair enough. as you have mentioned, that is yours, and yours alone, personal opinion.
i am not acting negatively. i know my personality well, and if i act negative towards something, i would use a lot of foul language and be violent. but i know better than that because i am not a child anymore as that was literally 10 years ago, and violence doesn't solve anything.
i've just been trying to make things more clear by clarifying what i mean.
i make my blogs public so i can share my thoughts and experiences with others. if i wanted to make my blogs private, then i could have just bought myself a journal from the shops.
@retardtm@xanga - No, if a statement is verifiably true or false, it cannot be opinion.
My hair is brown. That's a fact - it's verifiably true.
2 + 1 = 7. That's verifiably false. It's not an opinion, it's just wrong.
Saying that "online relationships never work out" is wrong. It's verifiably false. You stated it as a fact (By literally saying "Online relationships never work out."). That's what I have been trying to point out for like 3 posts.
You also insinuated (but did not state outright) that love does not actually exist in online relationships. I haven't been attacking that point because you never said, literally "There is no love in an online relationship." You implied it, which bothers me (because it's wrong), but you did not say so explicitly, so I am more or less letting it slide.
edit to clarify - most of this argument (and the numerous replies to your first post) would never happened if you'd avoided words like "never" as well as using inflammatory language like "bullshit" and "pathetic" in the original post.
@Viserys@xanga - but you just stated two different statements, one being verifiably true, and one being verfiably false. you didn't give a statement that can be one or the other, which is what i'm confused about.
(sigh) as i mentioned, i mean "online relationships" through the literal meaning, which is what i was going on about in the above post.
we're basically going round and round in circles, and going back to square one.
well, i'm sorry that my English language is different to everyone else's, because i'm aware that the majority of people here on Xanga are from the US, and i am used to the English language from the UK, so there is conflict between some words and meanings.
@retardtm@xanga - I have no need to give an example that is ambiguous, because that would mean it's not factual. Which, you know, is what I'm talking about.
The statement "Online relationships never work out" is factually incorrect. You can say it's "your opinion" all you want, but it's wrong. This is exactly what I've been saying all day.
This has nothing to do with the English language and everything to do with you ignoring what I'm saying. This really isn't getting anywhere and I'm getting tired of arguing over semantics (since arguing over the content of your post got nowhere as well), so let's forget it.
edit - since I probably won't be replying again unless you call me out on something, I want to thank you, at least, for being civil.
@Viserys@xanga - i'm just going to agree with forgetting about this, because i am very tired of this.
i have not been ignoring what you've been saying. i've been tryng to explain what i've been trying to say.
but yeah, forget it.
thank you
lol, you get pretty hilarious results when you look it up on online dating on urbandictionary.. teehee
online dating
A fairy tale, play dating that two partners (usualy teens) partake in
to get themselves ready for real life relationships. The false concept
of "internet love" is embraced all to easily and leads to more heart
ache *winkwink* and troubles for the more desperate person involved.
Cyber sex soon follows as the relationship gets "stepped up" to the
"next level"*winkwink*. Maybe he can get some pictures or phone sex out
of it if he's lucky, but he's not, she won't even tell him her last
name. He ends up jerking off to text whom he hopes is written by a
member of the female species(But he never knows) Not sweating it to bad
because she did show him that one blurry picture. The relationship
usualy ends as soon as it began and neither really cares, but they
pretend they do. She might even fake like she's crying. He might say
he's going to kill himself because she broke his heart. The truth is
one of them found a hotter or more intresting person to online date or
just got sick of the others daily sniveling. The cycle continues, rinse
and repeat. No feelings shared just words that people forgot faces
manipulated behind the scenes.
An OBR (Online Based Relationship) is a relationship between two people
who confess their love for each other online, but never talk in real
life.
Frank has to get on myspace, every night to see if
he's still on Sarah's top 8, that's how he tends to his Online Based
Relationship.
glad you clarified.
@snapeful@xanga - if there was a 'like' button similar to Facebook, i would have clicked your comment multiple times
@retardtm@xanga - i love urbandictionary.. XD it's so full of trolls!
however, i do believe that if an OBR is done maturely between two adults, then that could end up well.