Thursday, 20 August 2009
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For the Love of Money...
A friend was sharing some problems that she was having with her boyfriend. At first, I thought she was being a drama queen, but I actually felt her pain.Her boyfriend told her that he regretted going to Orlando with her because he really needed the money to buy a new car. My friend retorted that maybe they shouldn’t have gone to Six Flags either because that was expensive as well. He even got mad at her for telling him that he needed to replace his old car. (His old car runs but with smoke coming out of the hood…)
My friend is upset that she is unable to communicate her thoughts or feelings with him. He refuses to listen when it comes down to money. She explained that he is a textbook example of a workaholic. He volunteers to take on extra shifts on weekends because he wants to save enough money to buy a house. He works so much that he doesn’t have a life anymore.
My friend stated that he is driven, works hard, and plans for the future. However, he pays no attention to the present. He sees everything in black and white, thinking that he is always right. He told my friend that she was wrong and even selfish for telling him to stop working so much or that he may need help. She admitted that she would still have been happy with him if he didn’t have a lot of money…
My friend has thought about leaving him, but she said it was not that easy. They were together since they were in college, and she still loves him very much. She had thought about breaking up with him recently when he almost took a shift on a Saturday night, and she already RSVPed that they would attend a friend’s 25th birthday dinner. She is tired of arguing with him over this, but she will try to reach him by writing a letter.
She never imagined that she would consider leave him because he valued money above all else, not because he was unfaithful. Sometimes, she feels that she is not good enough for him, but her boyfriend told her that she should get a better job, so that would make him look better.
Is it possible to love money so much? Have you ever known anyone who values money above all else? Even chose money over love?
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I don't think it sounds like this guy values money above all else. It sounds like he's working very hard to be able to afford a nice house and things in the future. It seems to me that he's investing in his future (and probably in hers as well). I think he sounds like he's pretty wise about managing his money.
Maybe they can compromise as a couple. Can he dedicate one night per week to a date night with her? Can she be satisfied if she doesn't see him very often right now, while knowing that in the future, they'll be more financially secure?
Most of my aunts are with their husbands for the money. It's kinda sad, actually.
When it comes to money, it's tough. Money above infidelity is the number problem to break up couples and even marriages. It sounds like he wants to work hard to secure a better future and lots of people will see that as a good thing because he at least has a future. You wouldn't want him to be like a previous post where the guy had no motivation to get a job and played video games for 13 hrs everyday.
Maybe your friend can work out a schedule with him so they can have at least one day of alone time.Its better to think about the future but sometimes when we think too much into the present we are sidetracked from whats really important.
I can understand that he regrets the trip to orlando, but if she knew he needed to save for a new car then he is right when he says they should have not gone. She should understand that at least and not be hurt by him saying that.
Times are tough right now. we need to keep balance from our present and future. if he misses out on important events like dinners or birth dates, that can be bad. but hes thinking about the greater good for his life, she should be supportive. if not, then she needs to find someone who is willing to keep that balance.
Money is the root where all things grow. but we are the ones to keep the balance of happiness in between that.
I think hes thinking of something better for him and her, but he also needs to communicate better as well.
It's understandable how he wants to work for the security of his future but the present is important too. Save money by not going to events here and there is okay to a certain extent, but deciding to work when he already RSVPed for a birthday party is wrong. Your friend seems to have been lenient enough for a while now with his saving habit but she deserves to be able to go out and have fun by spending time with her bf alone and with friends, even if it requires money.
Balance is everything, and he hasn't figured that out yet. Yeah, sure, maybe he is planning for the future. While this is typically a commendable trait, if this couple wants to be together for the long haul (or if he ever wants to be with someone forever), he's going to need to realize that time is of more value than money. It is unwise to spend all your time working, and freaking out about money- it'll just make you bitter.
Since the economy is very bad right now, he just wants to secure a better future. I wouldn't say he "values money over love." His car is in bad condition (it even sounds dangerous to drive in) and wanting to earn money for a better car and house is not wrong. He said "he shouldn't have gone to Florida," knowing that he needed to save money for a car. He's not trying to hurt your friend, he's just being realistic. Wanting to work for a better future is not bad. He's just working hard, trying to earn money. Although money is not everything in life, you can't be happy without money either. Your friend should understand him and support him instead of being mad at him. If he misses an important meeting, one that he promised to go to, then you friend should talk to him about that and perhaps compromise with him. Working hard to earn a living is important, but he also has to balance his social life.
I say she should talk to him, if he doesn't want to hear about money, then don't talk about that. He is insensitive for telling her to get a better job, so that he can look better though. The best thing she can do right now is to try and communicate with him somehow. Neither your friend or her bf is wrong b/c it takes two to argue. I think they just need to communicate better with one another. It's really hard to give advice without knowing the people. However, if he hates hearing about money and you guys are arguing about the same topic over and over again, then don't bring up the same topic. Money isn't the main issue, it's that the bf doesn't know how to work and relieve stress at the same time. I think his work is overwhelming and stressing him out, so when your friend brings up the topic of money, he just vent out his stress on her. Communication and compromises is all they need. Try not to bring up the same topic and perhaps be more supportive toward his dream. She can always get him to relax by spending time with him. Having dinner at home after his work, renting a movie to watch together, just relaxing at home comfortably is probably heaven to someone who works so much. I know that when I work a lot, all I wanted was to laze around at home after work. Going out and stuff is just tiring, but I do try sometimes. Just be more understanding and if she can talk to him when he's in a happier mood, then he will surely listen to what your friend has to say. Never ever try to reason with an angry person b/c nothing will go through. After any argument, give each other a day to calm down and then when you see him to make up. Give him a kiss, make up and then calmly talk about your feelings. Good luck to your friend!
We need to know what the dude's economic family conditions were, growing up or currently. We probably need to know yours, too. It sounds in the post like he's being callous with your emotions due to his work obsessiveness, but to be honest, since you're writing this and you're interested in how it comes across, we should be a lil suspicious of how you see it.
too many variables to consider any solutions for you at the moment. then again, adding his complete history would still make it difficult to help you lol maybe ya'll need to go to a psychiatrist?
HAHAHAHA i almost loved money too much at one point, i just had to really sit down and think through my life. one question i asked myself was: If i have all the money in the world at the end, will i be happy if i was alone? and my answer was: YES! i could buy love if i wanted to. but then i really thought about my answer and realized how bad it had gotten. so i decided to re-evaluate my priorities and actions. thats what he needs to do, seriously think about his life before it passes him by while hes just trying to make money. everyone wants to make money too but you cant let it consume you, and you cant let it overshadow whats reallly important in your life. everyone thinks about the future but you cant just live your life later in regrets.
"but her boyfriend told her that she should get a better job, so that would make him look better."
Whoa, what?
Can't say you can be in a real relationship without money..you need it to progress..money is the stepping stone towards living together in a new house, getting married, having kids..maybe adopting (if you choose to) paying the bills. But if you are just with somebody just for the money and nothing but the money with no love..then...doesn't that feel a little artificial?
It seems like a lot of people are blaming the female in this situation. He regretted going to Orlando, but not Six Flags? I think that really, no one can comment on the situation, because they aren't involved parties. Sure ideas are great, but give the girl some slack. She sounds like she's doing her best to make it work. Good luck to your friend!
Well one obvious parallel that jumps to mind is Ebenezer Scrooge (A Christmas Carol). remember when his fiance breaks up with him because he is focussing so much energy into putting money into the future that he isn't there for her then? The truth about money is, there will NEVER be enough. For people who truly want it and focus on it like that--well it is driven by fear--and that fear will never go away by itself.
You need money to survive. That is a very rarely debated fact of life. But somehting tells me your friend is clever enough to figure that out all by herself, so if she thinks they are okay financially, then they probably are. I read a hallmark card one time that said, "If all we had in the world was each other, then we would have everything we need." And that needs to be the truth. Because nothing is for certain, and for all of his hard work there could be a time when they have nothing.So will she be enough for him then?Common sense says you need money, but what is the point of investing into the future financially, if you aren't investing into the future emotionally?
Someday he'll know, someday he will be haunted by the ghost of christmas' past and she can totally say "I told you so!" lol
I have been raised to believe that money brings about happiness (must have bee due in fact to my workaholic mother (works 14-16 hrs a day at least 6 days a week) who's income alone places her in the top 1.5-2 percentile). Thus I am one who would choose money over "love" if it came down to it. Without decent money you will not be happy regardless of how other aspects of your life become- money tends to be a central issue in many relationships. Your friend's boyfriend seems to be smart with money and have good work ethnics, both of which are disappearing characteristics among Americans. He is thinking about his future rather than simply thinking about his present which is a great thing. I do not think she should get angry with him for choosing to further develop his career over spending a Saturday night out having fun. He is young, which is a great time to build momentum for his career or become a valued asset to the company for job security in these unstable economics times. Your friend seems like she is not doing well off from a career perspective if her boyfriend tells her that she ought to get a better career... she might be able to take some good pointers from him.
It seems like he values having a good future, and stability then, rather then money.. though he needs to make time for his girlfriend if he wants her to be in his future.. tough.
think about it this way, at least he's concerned for his own future and your friend is with someone who wants to be able to provide for her in the future. at least she's not with some asshole who has no goal in life, who just wants to mooch off her. i understand that its hard to be with someone like that (MY current relationship is like that) but these guys are faithful and caring. they just want to have a stable future. your friend just has to be patient. he may not be what you want right NOW, but he is definitely what every girl would want in the future. to end off a relationship that long over what he is doing, which is working hard, is ridiculously selfish. if she does it, she'll definitely regret it later on.
he doesn't value money over love, he values stability and a future over a social life. if she knew he needed the money, didn't she try to reason with him that perhaps taking extravagant holidays is out of his current budget?
i think rather than to focus on how he's spending more time working than going to parties with her, she should take measures to ease whatever spenditure he's having to do...ie. paying for dates when they go out, chipping in for gas, parking, whatever, rather than complain about how he never has time for her. she must like the fact he's driven and is hard working because he plans for the future, right? the present is right now, i think he's doing what he believes is RIGHT to stablize his future and ensure that he won't have to be working so hard when he's older.
although i do believe they have serious communicating issues; how can he argue that he's RIGHT and she's WRONG all the time? that's not right... she should consider, not leaving him, but to persuade him in taking couple's therapy to solve their communication issue. if she wants a guy to attend parties and whatever with her, she needs to make a choice. but not on the reasoning that he values money over her... if she doesn't understand the importance he feels in securing his future, maybe they need to evaluate their relationship.
i don't know if this guy is a bad communicator or the fact that he just doesn't know how to manage his money and time effectively... or maybe it's both... btw, this is according to what you wrote, he told her that he regretted going to orlando with her... if he knew he didn't have a lot money in the first place and had to get a new car, why did he go to orlando, and why didn't he not tell her he's financially tight at the moment... if he's got to buy a new car, couldn't he just financed a car paying for it monthly for the next two-three years depending on how long it takes... and shouldn't he figure out how much money he expects to make each month, make a budget to project how much he might have to spend or how much he will save or compare the actual to the budget to see if he was better off or worst of, or figuring out a way to cut cost rather than not keeping the same lifestyle... if he's already made plans, he should follow through with it; not following through and wanting to work kind of makes it look like he rushing to make the money (as if he was in debt or something - like i mention, i'm not sure about his financials OR MAYBE SHE'S THE ONE WHO'S MAKING HIM STRESSED - telling him he's got to replace his car, making him spend money, putting him behind a few steps)... maybe he figures he'll have to spend even more money going to it and then he'll have to work even harder the next couple of weeks/months... and maybe he never agreed to the dinner, but then i would think that this relationship will eventually fail due to the bad communication... who knows, like tastytimmm@xanga said, there's just too many variables to consider...
i personally think that's it's important to have money... since most relationships problem are caused by money issues... i understand that there has to be a balance, but hey, i think that rainy money saved up is just as important, like what happens if you have to do surgery, what happens if your car does break down, what happens if you have to go into a lawsuit... it doesn't have to be a huge amount, but definitely should have one just in case...
@utoppia@xanga - lol, good job with bringing up that previous post
@xSayakax@xanga - Never go to bed angry.
"but her boyfriend told her that she should get a better job, so that would make him look better."
What? She doesn't even work and she's complaining? But the part with making him look better..?! Well what they said above, it's all about balance..
I don't know. In my relationship, I am the woman in this scenerio. But I was askin him not to change anything, and wanted to go to a wedding of a cousin I felt I needed to reconnect with and could only really do so in person. He said no, got a really nice new car, and is saving up for house and all that. I don't want to live in it. It's way way too much for me to deal with. I just want things to start slow and small in my life and work up. And the joy we could have shared was missed because he valued material stability more than my emotional transitioning.
Smoke rolling out from under the hood of the car: car's about to die. Going on a trip to Orlando, to Six Flags, and other such trips strips needed cash for either repair or replacement of the car. In most cases, repair of a car - rather than a full replacement - is more economically sound. The economy's in a tight spot these days, and he's only trying to secure a more stable future - not just for himself, but, it seems, for her.
She is upset because he's not spending time with her, but consider: where does he sleep at night? Who is the first to receive his call? They have dated since college; she knows that he works for her, and she knows that he is working for the two of them. He shoulders much of the financial burdens himself, from what I am to understand.
He wants to save for a house; a permanent home. Does she not want to share in a future, together, with him, in a home? Are her concerns of missing parties, entertainment, travel, and societal concerns more important to her than a stable, fiscally sound future? Then, yes, she should seek out someone who works 35 hours per week or less, lives paycheck to paycheck, but has the time necessary to schedule in vacations, social engagements, and such.
Heavy stuff, for certain; but that's how it is. He's not likely to change, although if she were to share in his financial burdens, and if they were to sit together to work out a projected budget, perhaps they could plan ahead, and set aside a percentage of their funds, equally, in a CD investment to mature over time or something - find a point of compromise, together, and stick with it.
She made the advance scheduling for a birthday celebration; there is nothing wrong with stating, at the party, "He had to work tonight, but I am so glad I was free to come; he sends his best..", and move on.
Developing a life that two can live with does not necessitate being conjoined as Siamese twins; perhaps having him develop the financial end, with her developing the social end of the household might keep both happy to use their strengths. Who knows?
It's just that they need to talk it out between each other, rather than talking it out outside of the two of them.
@the_kcar@xanga - Can u help me out on this one..i need an objective view...sumthing like ur friend.
SOMEONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF I SOUND LIKE A BAD UNSUPPORTIVE GF. The love of my life has been in my life for five years and we recently reconnected a relationship (3 mnths.) being more adult about it. He is a hustler and in the past (3 years ago) I have helped him out with hustling money but the money got messed up and he ever explained what happened and we ended up breaking up. In the present he has changed contributing where he can and helping me the way he should. He asked me to borrow money but the only money I had to my name was rent money. I told him I couldnt and he got a little upset and felt like I dont trust him. What he doesnt understand is if anything happens to that money I am screwed and WE wont have a roof over our heads. Was I supposed to be the good girlfriend and trust that my BF would make sure he had the money to retun on time for rent or was i right in covering my...both our butts in a sense. Because I feel bad that he doesnt thingk I trust him. PLEASE RESPOND
my grandpa always says that when your job becomes more important than your family, you should quit your job. he's a wise man.