i feel honestly, if you have to fight for something, it's b/c you believe you don't possess it.
if you're fighting for equality, you don't believe you have it. If you truly feel you're equal, no one can tell you differently.

The problem I have with the recent feminist movement is that it appears to undermine men. Even if that is not what it does, that's how it appears. I'm all for equal wages and fair treatment but the truth of the matter is, women and men are not equal. Men have strengths that are vastly different from the strengths of a woman. Same with weaknesses. I think it's more important to understand the differences and unique qualities that each gender has, rather than try to make them the same and treat each gender the same. You can treat people differently without treating one better than the other. I don't want to get the same treatment as a man. I want to be treated like a lady.

Which....basically my comment was a recap of what you just posted. ;) So yes...I agree.

I'm of two minds about this (not the post proper, but the fact that feminism still gets all this to-and-fro on Datingish):

1.  Are we freakin STILL talking about this?  Will this fucking bullshit about "feminists hate chivalry" NEVER FUCKING DIE?????

2.  Well fucking said. 

Yes, anyone can be a feminist.  As for the stereotypes about butch lesbians wearing non-sweatshop gear and being vegan, yes, sometimes that sort of thing happens.  None of that, not the lesbianism, not the anti-sweatshop gear, not the veganism, is NECESSARILY feminist.  That's just a set of generally leftist beliefs and platforms, all being taken up by one person.  And it's as realistic as imagining a straight white guy with a briefcase and a suit who believes that a woman's place is the home.  Yeah, stereotype, right?  Exactly.  Let us please think in terms of REALITY, people. 

Are there women who claim to be feminsts who think that men should never do them any favors?  Yes, probably.  Are they exaggerating details and (most likely) forgetting the REAL politics that feminism takes up?  Yes, absolutely.  That's why all this "feminism killed chivalry" bullshit is exactly that:  BULLSHIT.

But it goes the other way too:  is the fact that a guy has, historically (and somewhat stereotypically) paid for the first date, somehow anti-feminist?  Well, maybe if it's part of his belief that women are submissive and need to be barefoot and bear children, it is.  But if he's just paying out of being cool, or they agree that she'll pay for the next one--or any arrangment where it's not "I am the empowered one and you're not"--then it's not anti-feminist and feminists of all genders and stripes and flavors, shouldn't waste their time shouting it down. 

There is nothing--and NEVER WAS anything, either--specifically "man-hating" about feminism, and no, NOT EVEN back in the seventies when feminism was aggro.  I'd even go as far as arguing that McKinnon and Dworkin's "porn equals rape" bit from the eighties, as thoroughly misled and misdirected as I think it was, was NOT about "man-hating."  Do specific and individual women get carried away with rhetoric that looks like "You're a man, therefore you're evil"?  Yes, absolutely.  I've seen it happen and so have you. 

But ONE EXAMPLE does not a TRUTH MAKE.  When the fuck is Datingish (and Xanga generally) going to outgrow this logical error where one specific example means that a general truth is no longer valid?  Anyway, that's something of a separate post. 

Rant over, but you should know that I have it on tap every time this shows up here. 

why. the. hell. is. this. on. datingish.

come on...............jeez.

Propss!

Thank you!  I'm so tired of people treating it like a dirty word.  It's not actually that radical of a concept.

I think feminism is defined on a more individual level.  Like, what one person sees as being a feminist through personal experience is different than what another person sees.  But, the thing is, there are some fundamental similarities, and you seem to hit home.

People might ask why this is on Datingish, or why this needs to be here.  It's here to educate people.  If you've already been educated on it, good for you - don't click the link, or if you see that it's repetitive, close the tab/window.

At the same time, it's kind of necessary to be repetitive since some people just DON'T get the point.

I don't think there is anything wrong with feminism UNLESS they are the hypocrites who say they want equality but then they say "I'm a woman so I shouldn't have to do this". There are some really annoying feminist groups out there.

I am about equality, both sexes should be treated like humans. But women and men are different and those differences should be embraced while we are treating each other fairly. I love the "equal pay for equal work" thing. I would be pissed if I didn't get paid as much as my fellow co-worker just because I'm a girl.

Until about a year ago, my view of feminism was very negative. I honestly thought that it was a stereo type, not a movement. I am a women who lives in leadership positions, and everything in me would fight against being called a feminist, because I didn't want to loose any of my femininity. How silly! Women have  a lot more equality then they realize. Accept when I am at leadership conferences do I ever notice that there are more men then women, but every time I attend one, there are more women represented then the time before. It 's happening more naturally then people realize. 

I hate when women put women down.. Calling them "feminist bitches" is only emphasizing the negative. Worlds change when we emphasize the healthy and mimic it.

i've stated my opinion on several of these posts. i'm tired of this topic.

every feminist that i've ever seen was a dykey bitch

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