Sunday, 12 July 2009

  • It's Just a Number... Right?

    My girlfriend and I have been together for a little over half a year now.  And things have gone great.  We met under the most random of circumstances after both having been single for over two years.  And our relationship has grown to greater heights than I've ever experienced in my dating history.  To be clear, I love this girl.  With all of my heart and everything in my being, I L-O-V-E this girl.  But something happened a couple months ago that still bothers and disturbs me to this day. 

    We had the conversation that no couple should ever really have.  Yes, I'm talking about that oh so dreaded "how many people have you been with?" conversation.  The fucked up part is that this conversation actually came up as a result of just a string of jokes.  Neither of us actually initiated it.  So I didn't even have a chance to brace myself for this.  Anyway, it became clear that my girlfriend, now 26 years old, has a pretty colorful sexual history.  She didn't give any specifics, but it was alluded to that the number of partners she's had is somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-70.  God, it my makes my stomach turn and drop just writing that down.

    I've known some pretty notorious tramps, and even their numbers weren't that high.  I had originally thought she was joking, but when she noticed I was obviously disturbed and disgusted at even the notion, she broke down into tears.  She buried her head into my shoulder, tears flowing, lamenting her past as being "filled with mistakes" and how she "hates who she used to be".  She explained that in her younger days she had severe emotional issues, lacking all self esteem and confidence, and that it wasn't until a few years ago that she decided to grow up and treat herself better.  I couldn't bring myself to beat the horse any further with her being so distraught.  So I comforted her and reassured her that this wasn't something I would end the relationship over.  Change of subject, and move on.

    The reality of this, though, is it still disturbs me.  And if I had found out about this in the beginning of the relationship I would have walked away, never to be seen or heard from again.  But I found this out after we fell in love.  After I realized she was "the one."  So now I have no choice but to deal with it.  It's been very easy for people to tell me I should just get over it. 

    "What does it matter?  You love her, right?"
    "You've been with lots of girls.  Should she hate you?"
    "The past is the past!  Let it go!"

    Easier said than done.  I did a lot of soul searching trying to get to the root of why this bothers me so much.  It isn't the fact that I haven't been with as many.  My number is well into the 25-35 range.  It's not as high as hers, but it's enough.  And I'm not exactly a virgin myself, obviously.  I can accept the past is the past.  SO what is it?  Then it hit me.  Like an upper cut from Iron Mike, it hit me!

    "I've lost my respect for her.  I still love her and I still want to spend my life with her.  But I don't respect her."

    Is this even possible?  Can I truly love and be with someone that I don't respect?  It's come to the point where I still have nightmares about it.  Dreams of her being with other people, doing things that I never want to see in my head ever again.  When she shows me old pictures of her I can barely look at them without feeling my heart sink.  She sees them as just photo memories.  All I can see is that young girl I hate.  Screams of "whore!" and "slut bag!" run through my mind every time I'm forced to see anything even a day older than the first time we met.  Whenever we're out together and she runs into someone she knows I can't help but wonder to myself if he's someone who's had his way with my girl.  If she suggests hanging out with some of her friends I make an excuse not to go.  I hate the idea of being in a room where there's a chance some of the guys have slept with her.  It makes me want to puke.  Let's be honest with ourselves.  No one likes knowing the love of their life was once the town pump!

    But it still haunts me.  In the wild throws of our passionate love making I find my mind still wanders.  Her moans of pleasure hurt me, because I can only think of how many others have heard it as well.  I worship her body, yet I can't help but feel it's a mountain too many have climbed and just doesn't feel like I have something special.  I no longer feel special.  It hurts.  Every day. 

    Am I destined to live with this hate and pain forever?  Like I said, I'm not willing to give her up over this.  I just wish I could find some way to deal with this.  To respect her again.  To feel like I have something special again.  To look at her the same way again.  To love her the same way again.

Comments (129)

  • Vegito4@xanga

    Dang, you're such a hypocrite. You dredge your number and you are insecurity about your number. Therefore, when her number is higher than your, you freaked out. Normal people are not afraid their number and it seems that you are. Your insecurity is affecting your judgment in my opinion. The poor girl told you the truth about her ugly past and how she changed for the better, and you decide to put that against her? Maybe you would prefer that she lied to you? The truths hurt, but at least it someone you can trust.
    Think about it this way, maybe the next time you decide to have a relationship with someone. Let them know about your number first. See if they are willing to go out with you.

  • Southeast_Beauty@xanga

    @aurastar@xanga - I couldn't have said it better myself.


    I can understand about her past haunting you, but if this helps, just think of her being with you as her starting over. Consider this: has she grown and changed for the better since then? Does she treat you like a king and love you immensely? Now think, if it were a different woman who hasn't slept around as much, would she have treated you better than your current girlfriend and would your relationship with the former be as wonderful and passionate as this current one? Consider all aspects.

  • InTheThin@xanga

    @annawolfy@xanga - Aw...that was kind of sweet.

  • xoxokissme@xanga

    You said it yourself--it IS just a number. Either it bothers you or it doesn't. If you can't get over it, it's your problem and not hers. Very unfair to take it out on her, as if she can control it now.

    First of all: focus on the present. There are two guys I know; let's call them A and B. Guy A has a fairly low "number", but he is a serial cheater. He cannot commit himself to one girl at a time and is always trying to find someone to talk to or start seeing on the side. He has made a number of girls pretty miserable by doing this. Guy B has a slightly higher number, but he has never cheated before. He is incredibly loyal, one of those guys who is just the sweetest, most wonderful boyfriend. Should I hold it against him that he had some questionable hookups in the past? No--there is a good reason why I'm marrying Guy B and not Guy A. It's because Guy A, while he had relatively few skeletons in the closet, just didn't make a very good boyfriend. Guy B is exactly the kind of guy I was looking for; to me, anything that happened before me is in the past, therefore completely irrelevant to our relationship now.

    Secondly, I've read that one possible reason we criticize others is because we fear that others make the same complaints about us. In other words, if it bothers you that she's a so-called "slut", maybe what you really have an issue with is your own "sluttiness". There's a lot of reading out there on this topic; I actually just found this one yesterday and I think it applies to your situation:  http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2007/01/understanding-human-relationships/
    I think if you approach the issue from that perspective, you may have some success in getting over your hang-up with her.

    Third, you cannot have a completely loving relationship when you don't respect the other person. You may still care about them or lust after them, but when the respect is missing, it's not true, pure love and you will not be able to give her the relationship she deserves. You need to work through this and get over it entirely if you hope to keep her.

  • AznDarkDevil@xanga

    It's understandable on the distress you are having.
    No one said accepting is an easy part in a relationship.
    However, must I remind you, if you truly L-O-V-E  her, take these into considerations:
    1) Were most of intercourse,  if not all, were consensual?
    2) Were most of intercourse, if not all, out of love?
    3) If the answers to the previous two answers deem unsatisfying, ask yourself, can you tolerate a love life without sex with your partner?
    4) Is she practicing this sexual habit any longer?
    5) Do you truly love her, are you willing to do anything for her?
    6) Do you plan to take the necessary actions to change her from these habits, since she is your partner, you should think for her, not in her shoes?
    7) Take a deep breath and ask yourself, do you think she was not hurt from any of these 50 - 70 people she was with?

    Look man, she might have been with that many people... but she opened up to you and obviously, she feels embarrassed and ashamed for what she did. She needs no further condemnations, she needs comfort. Out of the 50-70 men, she finds something that she has not found in anyone: a loving and caring man. You are the special one out of the 50-70. I am sure she is a special one out of however many you have had. Be special for her, be there for her. No one can make that choice for you. Love conquers all, and I am the living testament to that axiom. I am in a relationship right now too, and I can tell you, I treat her with the utmost respect and love anyone can give. I don't care how many guys she's been with, I don't even care if she loves me the most. When she asked me, I answered :" Babe, I don't care who you love the most. I just want you to know, I am and will be the guy who will love you the most, because you are worth it." It was my call and I am glad I made that call. We are in love more than most couples I know. It's hard enough for us to meet, it's even harder for her to live through the past, as a real man... nothing should matter when a man is concentrated and focused on the one thing he truly loves and treasures. A real man does that... so dude, take your pick and I wish you luck to whatever choice you are going to decide.

  • The_Life_Of_A_Poet2@xanga

    @Hallelujah_Haptism@xanga - I agree....I think it's really just a matter of deciding if you want to be with her or not. Everyone's got a history. Who's to say you won't be bothered just knowing that one or two guys have been with her. You have to find a way to tuck that away....especially since your range is really high too. I wish you luck. 

  • linguistic_nonsense@xanga

    This has disgusted me entirely. I find it hard to respect a hypocrite who has the nerve to get upset because his girlfriend's had many partners when he's no saint either regardless of whether or not he had less than her. At least she isn't getting funky with anyone besides you. Get over yourself, and if you can't or won't do her the favor and call it off with her. She doesn't deserve this shit because you can't let go of something you had nothing to do with, that happened before you ever came into the picture. I wonder how your previous girlfriends felt when they found out they weren't your first, but rather your 22nd or 23rd.

  • mewithoutu77@xanga

    i understand that if the number was like 10-20 but 50-70 people, that would churn my stomach as well too.  i wouldn't be comfortable with that number.  i know it's just a number but it's more than that, at least to me.

  • raiderjester@xanga

    Mine has a much bigger number than I do (which isn't hard, lol), and it used to bug me; but I still love her, and she still loves me. She made her mistakes and it's in her past. Now she's with me, and I'm all she wants. I knew her then, and I know her now, and she changed everything for me. There's no way I could be upset with her about it.


    @Wait_by_Moonlight@xanga - way to hit the nail on the head right there. Love without trust and respect is not real love at all.

  • wishtoremainunknown@xanga

    @annawolfy@xanga - That's amazing and beautiful and the truth

  • yokyokgetsfussy@xanga

    grow up and get over it, she has. 

  • a_single_raindrop@xanga

    This is quite difficult :/


    If you already lost respect for her, it will be very hard for you to gain it back. You seem to really have negative feelings towards her, which isn't good. I think that if she read this post, it would bring her down because you associate words like 'tramp' and 'whore' with the girl you claim to love. You can't ever expect yourself to respect her when your attitude towards her is kind of degrading. :/

  • JessxMaxine@xanga

    well, since we are throwing around the word "town whore," you should look at yourself. your number isn't that great at all either. my boyfriend has slept with about 13 girls. only three were girlfriends and the rest were fuck buddies that he had known for years and up before he slept with them. i'm a virgin. i knew going into our relationship that he wasn't a virgin, seeing as he is nine years older and has two kids. i think you just need to learn that the past is the past. clearly, you knew she wasn't a virgin, sure she might have slept with a lot of people, but how do you know why she slept with every single guy? she knows, if she is the type to fall in love quickly and did it out of love a few times.

    i think you should talk to her about this. be honest with her. tell her, the fact that she has slept with more people than you, freaks you out. don't tell her, you don't respect her, because you shouldn't throw stones in a glass room, sir.

    talk to her. tell her what's up. if you can't move past her past...then move on with her.

    xo

  • hermione103104@xanga

    I found myself in a similar situation a few months ago with the guy I'm dating.  He is incredibly ashamed of his past and knows that how he was acting wasn't the right way to act.  However, the reason I'm okay with it is that I know that when he looks at me and tells me he loves me, he means it.  When he is with me and tells me that the sex with me is incredible, I know he means it.  And yeah, when I traveled to his hometown and met lots of his friends, I definitely wondered which ones of them he'd slept with.  However, I know that when he walks into a room of our mutual friends, he now knows which ones I've slept with too.

    When your girlfriend moans with pleasure, realize that you are the one making her moan with pleasure.  She is a woman who is very in touch with her sexual needs and if you weren't doing it for her, she wouldn't have chosen you.  And when she does that special move you love, realize that while you may not be the first guy she tried it with, she learned from them and you're the one reaping the benefits.

    You are in love with this woman.  She wouldn't be the woman you love if she hadn't had those experiences, just as my boyfriend wouldn't be the man he is without his past.  The only thing that matters is that there isn't a 71st person she'll be sleeping with, it's just you.  Know that if you weren't making her happy beyond a reasonable doubt, she'd go find someone else.  But she chose YOU.  That makes you special, it makes what you have special. 

    Allow yourself some time to process this news, as it's difficult to swallow for you.  But then forgive the poor girl, because she feels way worse about it than you do.

  • haltija@xanga

    you have had quite a few partners yourself, kiddo.
    unless you do not respect yourself, you ought to respect her.
    she's changed and is obviously a wonderful person to you
    because you say you are in love with her.

    but i don't think you are.
    love is forgiving, understanding, and nurturing
    love knows that when someone cries over such a confession
    it is because they truly have changed and are hurt by what they have done
    and when that happens, love knows it's role:
    not to judge
    but to show that girl how truly remarkable and beautiful a flower she is now
    even if she grew from an ugly and ungainly seed.

  • KrazeeKunoichi009@xanga

    Of COURSE you can "love" someone and not respect them, that's how all marriages worked in the good ol' days when men worked and women stayed home, taking care of the kids, cooking and cleaning since women aren't good for anything else. :D

    And personally, I wouldn't want to be with anyone whose more "experienced" than me, since I consider it a gross "double-dipping". *shudder*

    -Kunoichi

  • NadoAngel@xanga

    Wow.

    For one, you're a hypocrite. As far as I'm concerned you two are in the same catagory. You've both had a very experienced sexual past. So instead of losing respect for her you should be able to relate and understand her situation. At least she was honest with you! Or is it the double standard? Is it okay for you to sleep with a bunch of women (and yes, you've slept with a LOT of women!), but not okay for her to sleep with a bunch of men? Hmm. I think you better re-examine your own past before you start ridiculing this girl's.

    Sue, of course no one wants to think about their SO's past lovers, whether they've been with 3 or 30 other people. But other qualities a person posesses are much more important. Obviously this issue outweighs all the good qualities she has though (in your eyes). And honestly I dont think you really love this girl. If you did love her you'd be able to forgive her past just like she has forgivin you for yours. I know you said this isnt an option, but I really honestly dont think this girl is "the one" for you. A HUUUGE part of being in a sucessful relationship & marriage is respect. If you lack that then you're going to end up miserable and she's going to end up miserable. And that's not fair to either of you. You need to do what will make you happy and whats best for you. And she deserves someone that will respect her and love her ragardless of her past.

  • ThisGirlCouldUseALittleSting@xanga
    I went through something pretty similar to this.

    I'm only 16 -- 17 in a couple weeks -- so the extent of the issue wasn't exactly the same. But conceptually, it was pretty identical.

    I'd been single for a couple of years when I met who I'm dating now. He hadn't been single for more than a few months. I met him at the end of last summer and we're still together and madly in love with each other. Everything is great. No fights -- slight disagreements but we're always really respectful and listen to each other and all of that. It's a really healthy relationship.

    Anyway, a few months into the relationship that sort of topic came up. I haven't done anything with anyone, he has.. not sex, but, still some pretty painful stuff to hear. I couldn't deal with it. We were talking on the phone and I had to get off of the phone because it was so unexpected and unbelievable, I couldn't breathe because I was crying something awful. It was like you'd said, if you knew when you met the person, things may have turned out differently for you guys... well that's something that ran through my head too. But I loved him. I would never break up with this guy that I love because of something like that... because he's changed, and that's not who he is anymore.

    But I can certainly relate to you when you say you don't feel special anymore. I had a tough, tough time with that as well. Because it makes you feel insignificant. It's such an awful feeling.
    It took a couple of months and a lot of talking until I got over it. Of course it's still terrible to think about and visualize now, but I've come to accept it for what it is.


    Personally, time is what you need. It just takes time. You'll come to respect her again the more time you spend with her. I'd suggest easing up on the physical stuff, because it can make it harder not to dwell on for you.
  • kittykaser@xanga

    Numbers doesn't matter, you idiot! If you love her than that's good enough but then again, respect is also important. I think that you need to 'forgive and forget' and also tell her how you feel. Since if 'numbers' starts to have an affect on your relationship then, you're doomed, you might even lose her. Sorry if I sound harsh but it's the truth.
    And I think that you two can work things out, she can even tell you how she felt about your 'numbers' (if you've even told her).

  • atmaster@xanga

    shut the fuck up and die. seriously? you're whining because she is 50-70 when you are 25-30?

  • FreeeVerse@xanga

    I think the commenters are a little bit too harsh on you. Mind, I don't think your numbers are great, but I still think the commenters are too harsh. 

  • thinfriendxxo@xanga

    you need to get past this.  If she is the one and worth fighting for do whatever it takes (it might help if you can acknowledge why the number bothers you so much.  If it is too high, what would an acceptable number be?).  If you can't get over this then let her go and find someone who can.  You cannot have love without respect.  Judging her for her past mistakes is not fair.  It is not a true reflection of who she is today.  we've all done things we're not proud of.  I have memories I wish I could erase.  Alas, all you should do is look to how she treats you and be grateful that all those other assholes didn't have the common sense to recognise the gem you found.

  • TheUnbearableLightnessofPeeing@xanga

    Dont ask, don't tell.

    and they all lived happily ever after.

    and can I have her number?  Just kidding.

  • angelld@xanga

    go for couples counseling. i think it would really help. and you need to realize you are her present, and love her with all your have. now would be the real chance to test your relationship to see if you really love her and are as committed to her as you say you are. :) all the best.

  • TryMe_HideMe@xanga

    I understand where you are coming from. I can imagine how you must feel, but im hoping maybe my ramblings could help even in the slightest. I myself have had many emotional issues in the past, steming from every kind of fucked up disorder or mental status you can imagine, so of course, my numbers did rack up. When I was in that stage, I was searching for something, I wanted to be wanted because I felt like I was disgusting, and I needed to be validated by some outside source. It did not work. At all. I searched guy after guy, looking to fill the gaps in my life, that only I could fill. After serious soul searching and a three month hiatus in Utah, i was able to let all of that go. I met a boy, kyle, who was different from everyone else. I didnt NEED him like I needed the others. I simply wanted him. We could spend any amount of time together, hours, days, or weeks, be in the same room, and not have to tear our clothes off and pounce, because what we had was stronger. Now of course there was sex, and there is sex still in our relationship, but its not the main factor. THAT is what makes the difference. Those boys from the past, I was only with for the sex, to fill a void that couldnt be filled. They meant nothing to me, and I honestly dont care if I see them again or not. But kyle, if I never saw him again I would be devastated.


    She may have beeen with other guys, but YOU are the one she chose for the right reasons. Shes trying to make herself right now. Shes ready to be a big girl and grow up. She chose you as the one she could settle down, and be with, not just for the sex, but for everything. You are the one she trusts and can tell things to. I hope this helps, I know its hard to get someones past out of your head. But everyone comes with baggage, of some sort. hers is just a little harder to accept.

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