Saturday, 25 April 2009

  • What Do Women Want? Ask One - Don't Generalize

    Ever notice how conversations about "how to treat a woman" proceed?

    First, a man will say "I treat women with respect." Another man will pipe in with "Women really want us to lead." A third man will agree, saying "it's our duty to honor a woman by protecting her."

    About then, without being asked, a woman will pipe in: "Women don't want you to lead!" Then another woman will respond, "Yes, we do. We need men's strength and leadership."

    Someone else (sometimes a man, sometimes a woman) will try to be diplomatic and make a compromise: "men should protect women, but they can't control women."

    So they all grudgingly agree that it is chivalrous for a man to protect a woman and honor her by being sensitive to her, but wrong of a man to demand a woman to obey his every whim. Thus, the solution reached is not one of equality but rather one of temperament: the man can be in charge as long as he is nice about it.

    The problem with this conversation is that it treats 50% of the population of the world as if they were of a single mind and demeanor.  It says that roles in a relationship should be determined by supposedly universal decrees rather than looking at what works for each individual relationship. 

    The very question "what do women want," in fact, dehumanizes women.  Why treat women as some huge single unknowable obelisk?  Why not turn to a woman and ask her, "what do YOU want, as an individual?"  Some women will say they want to be an equal.  Others will claim to thrive under the authority of a strong man.  But until it is a question to the individual and not about women as a group, you will never get to know the person you love.

    The same thing is true for men.  The statement "this is what men should do" limits and stifles individual strengths and weaknesses.  Why not turn to a man and ask him "what do YOU want, as an individual?"  Some men will say they want to be an equal.  Others will claim to thrive under the authority of a strong woman.  But until it is a question to the individual and not about men as a group, you will never get to know the person you love.

    That is the danger and sickness inside chivalry or any other term meant to encapsulate some code of proper conduct between the sexes.  A man who says he honors a woman, but claims that all women at their hearts want the same thing, is a sick person.  He is cut off from not only the true individuality of his lover, but of himself because he forces himself into a role based on the role he forces her into. He does not let the relationship develop naturally.

    For some relationships, perhaps even for the majority of them, the truth is similar enough to the "code" that the damage will never be noticed.  But for the millions of men and women whose abilities and desires do not conform to the decrees of "chivalry," it is a crippling illness that will keep them all their lives from discovering who their partner is and who they are themselves.

Comments (25)

  • Mitsuye@xanga

    Good stuff! This should be an article in a literary journal!

  • StepHyKu2517___v3v@xanga
  • LupusInvictus@xanga

    Totally agree, posts saying that people should be or treat others a certain way always annoy me. 

  • asdfghjkieu@xanga
  • JupitersDays@xanga

    I like this post! I completely agree! Every woman is different and therefore, every woman would want something different. 

  • RazorBladeParade@xanga
  • psykoaznballa@xanga

    @asdfghjkieu@xanga - Your comment totally made me think of Taylor Swift's "Fifteen".

    "When all you wanted, was to be wanted"

    But on a serious note, I'm going to dehumanize men and ask why every girl does not have almost ever guy figured out?

    I think girls are giving us more credit than we deserve and seeing us as much more than we actually are. Then again, therein lies the gift. "Tis' a gift to be simple"

  • husbandofawife@xanga

    All women want is to ride in my Studabaker and listen to Dr Teeth and the Electric Mayhem Band eight track. Hey! I'm a person too. Can't we just sit, watch a sunset and eat peanuts in the shell and drink coolaid?


  • m3iguim3ng2@xanga

    a sense of security in every aspect.

  • StrawberriesMimi@xanga
    That is a VERY good question... I wish I knew what I wanted.
  • nitestar2@xanga

    Women wants attention - they hate to be ignored.

  • MartialArtist322@xanga

    What a lovely post! I enjoyed reading it very much. In my relationship, I like having my man be my stronghold but I can protect myself. What I want, or perhaps need, from a man is someone who is willing to be strong when I get over the top about the way life sometimes just is. I don't know if that made any sense...

  • Doubledb@xanga

    Ironically, sometimes what women say they want and what they actually do want are at odds, so at least part of the time even if you ask you are not getting a strait or honest answer.

  • DarkJsurfer@xanga

    Good article I learned alot lols

  • Electro_04@xanga

    It is very simple.


    "Men want success and sex. Women want everything."
    --Gene Simmons


    That is the absolute truth.

  • MangoWOW@xanga

    What I hate is when people hear something like "we should treat women like this..." and don't understand that it's already implied that everyone is an individual and every case should be handled different.
    I wanna say that sure, you're right, not every woman wants that. But I really hate it when people like you interject with "Well not everyone wants it that way!"
    No shit, dumbfuck. We're just giving a generalized example.
    People like that help cut conversations short because we have to repeat the same thing over and over again when it should have been implied already.

  • The_Angry_Troll@xanga

    As someone already mentioned, what women say they want and what they actually want are oftentimes NOT the same thing. Therein lies one of the big problems. And like it or not, while not EVERY woman says they want the same thing, there are enough of them that claim they want certain things, such as a sense of humor, nice guy, honesty, blah blah blah, that there appears to be a concensus. Thus can be born the generalizations of "What women want." Of course not everyone wants the exact same thing. But since it's impossible to ask every woman on the planet, generalizations need to be made. At least it's a starting point, something to build upon. And every conversation or relationship needs somewhere to start.


    @Electro_04@xanga - Gene Simmons is a genius. "Sex, Money, Kiss" was a great book. Funny and insightful.

  • Cuisine

    This boils down to how basic we are going.  Men do much better with women when they are assertive (lead).  Its not 50 50...its probably 90%.  And most women KNOW that.  About other things...who knows?  A lot of poeple dont KNOW what they want so asking them won't help...and it also makes things seem less natural.

  • lolquack@xanga

    What I want, no one can give me but myself.
    & Thats happiness.
    People can help
    But only I can make myself happy.

  • XxFireXboltxX@xanga

    Every guy is different and every girl is different --- hence what makes relationships tough!

    I think there are basic wants that EVERY woman/man wants, I guess they are more like needs --- to be loved, pursued, wanted, needed, appreciated (etc) within a relationship. HOW those needs are met is where it gets tricky.

    My husband likes to be taken care of and pampered. He likes being told how much I appreciate him and how proud I am of him. But I've dated guys before who merely just wanted a hug and a kiss after a hard day's work as their way of being loved.

    It just varies from person to person.

  • TwilightFan7687@xanga

    well i can't speak for all women, but i can speak for myself. i want a man who can commit fully to me, loves wholeheartedly, does not just say things, but does them. i need actions to know that it's true.

    i'd been with the same dude on and off for three years and around easter time, he started to blow me off. he'd tell me he wanted me to come over and he'd call, but then he'd never call and he didn't want to argue with me about it. now he reassured me that he loved me and all, but those actions speak otherwise. so i called it quits for good. and this may sound mean, but i told him that he was my problem and i was getting rid of it right now. we've always had a history of getting back together so i think this definitely means it's over. i've never been so ugly to a person, but it's best for the both of us. hah, i think i got off topic here, but you get the point.

  • yourblondeness@xanga
  • UnopenedSuitcases@xanga

    interesting post... but i personally, aren't sure of what i want. i want guys to take control sometimes but mostly, i will probably be the one to lead

  • Sakura_the_Anime_Dreamer@xanga

    I love this post! this is a very good one.
    I'll have to keep this in mind when it comes to future bfs and such.
    ....and sadly enough, I never know what I want. it's usually just "give me a book, pencil and paper/sketch book, time to be alone, and friends/family to talk to/be with", and I'll usually be happy with that... lol, I'm so pathetic. I guess it's my deprivation of going out on a (first) date XD

  • u_topia@xanga

    THANK YOU.

    In a way, this explains why I get offended when guys insist on holding a door open for me... You aren't my servant, and I perfectly capable of opening the door myself! Things like that.
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