Thursday, 05 March 2009
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Dating and Relating: Are We Victims of Our Environment?
To preface: 16 months ago, I accepted a minimum two year contract that uprooted me from SoCal to the northern Kentucky (Greater Cincinnati) area. This, in and of itself is a dramatic lifestyle change. The following is less of a dramatic statement than it is an opinionated observation in an attempt to comprehend my surroundings.I am a 30-year-old single male, never been married, no kids. Not particularly uncommon back home, but seemingly the minority where I am now. On the other side of the gender coin, it would appear even less likely that a woman would fit the single, never been married, no kids criteria. I would venture to say that if I were to meet someone who fits this bill, I'd have to beg to question what might be wrong with her. All the women I know out here around my age are either married, have kids, or both. This presents a great limitation on prospective dating candidates.
So far, the majority of people I have encountered, through work or socially, "settle down" or procreate at what I might consider a very young age. Some don't seem to wait to get out of high school before taking one leap or the other. One might argue that the mentality regarding abortion out here is influenced by political preference, but abortion is legal here and I think the idea that nobody else that a person knows gets an abortion, so they shouldn't either. After all, if your friends all have kids, why not you too?
I have made some friends here, gaining quite a bit of insight as to how things seem to pan out. There seems to be a general consensus - they are not happy. Stats aside, I personally feel that it's a safe assumption that getting married in your early to mid-twenties (if not your teens), is far too early and presents several complications you may face before you are 30. One would be maturity. Let's face it, people change. It's a fact of life that there is a great deal of growth in your twenties. Your likes, dislikes, hobbies - even personalities tend to have some adjustments. Therefore, if one gets married at 24, you may know your match at the time and they you, everything is grand and dandy, but at 27, lo and behold, you are two very different people with different priorities and intentions. At such a point, the revelation may come that over the next 60 years, you may not fall back in line again, let alone really know who it is you are married to. What a thought.
What are your options at this point? There's a good chance you already have children. That in itself places great restraint on what your next step is. I can't rationalize what reasons lie behind what acquaintances do, but I do know a few people a little better than the rest and it seems there is this feeling of failure if they get a divorce. I personally wouldn't know - I remain single.
And there are other options...cheating being the likely of them all. I've noticed so much unhappiness here and regardless of shame and discomfort these individuals feel, they cheat with people they fit better with than their spouses. I know from one friend that her dissatisfaction comes in the opinion that most men out here are the same and "decent" guys are hard to find. That was, until she worked for a company that had an office in California and she was afforded the opportunity to meet what she refers to as "California guys". Everyone seems to have their reasons for doing or not doing certain things, thus respectfully, I refrain from judging her on not filing for a divorce. She has her own reasons. In time I am confident she will follow through.
I don't want to imagine what I might do had I taken a plunge into such a huge commitment before I realized I wasn't ready for it. I have never cheated myself, but I suspect a great deal of mental and emotional despair led some people to do it. Perhaps that meant they were vulnerable; I can't honestly say. Case in point, my friend has not taken it upon her to have multiple partners or repeat scenarios, but was weak in the knees for one guy who, had things been different, might be more of an ideal candidate. The rest, I don't quite understand, the frequent one night stands, the constant partner on the side, etc.
I haven't precisely lost faith in the idea of matrimony, although spending an extended period of time in a location which provides few options to mingle within my preference span; I do feel some level of discontent. It's saddening to be exposed to this alternate reality, wondering how exactly it is that people sacrifice their happiness before they are able to judge what that happiness may be.
I suppose that I, too, am a victim (per se) of my environment, accustomed to the mentality of not settling down until around 30 (given the preface, it's obvious things are slow there). That environment could be attributed to having been raised in L.A., could be my circle of friends, could be family, but for this observation, I am sticking with geographic area (which is left open to interpretation and great argument). The female friends I've had over the years shared a sentiment of finishing college, panning out a career and placing matrimony on the back burner. Something to the effect of not settling down until close to 30, when it's just right in their lives, they've established themselves and are sure to not wait until it's too late.
For some, a sentiment had been to marry a guy when the time comes, if he met their expectations and a sustained relationship had lasted for several years. Whether it was 2, 3 or 8 years, nearing 30 was when it would happen. Now, it is safe to respect the fact that not all share the same sentiments I do or my peers back home, even if all background and personality traits match, this is merely an observation I have made about myself and the environment I was raised, confined and broad.
As a question is standard, I ask, do believe in the notion that we are victims of our environment?
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I completely agree. Even in our rapidly globalizing world, your local community still significantly affects both your dating pool and your attitudes toward dating, marriage, and the like.
However, this doesn't mean everyone adheres to the norm. Finding the gem in the rough would be quite... a treat. Don't just skim the surface of ladies, often there is more than what meets the eye.
Have nice deep chats with these ladies and you'll find out that the environment and the society of your area is influencing them -- and not their own personal thoughts and opinions. In other words, they might have a better side to them. Explore and find the ones that truly fit your bill!
Good luck as well ;)
I will say that I know exactly the point your making here and I agree. Though I believe that we are not victims of our environment. We can be deeply affected by it. It can motivate us to do or not do certain things, but we don't have to be victimized by it. I'm from Louisville Ky. Same deal here if not worse. Everyone is pregnant, has kids, is married or about to get married. I'm 23, been living here all my life (though not for much longer) and I have always felt like the odd one out. I had dreams of career, travel and college while those around me wanted nothing more than to move in with their boyfriends whom they had been with since they had been 14 and get married as soon as they turned 18. I'm not a victim of this place because I choose not to be. I want more out of life. But people live the way they do in Ky because its easy, b/c they feel pressured and b/c they figure why not, everyone else is doing it. But just because these things are a constant for some family's and hella common doesn't mean that it makes people helpless. Some people here don't know any better, but just like someone who chooses to stay in an abusive realtionship once they realize it for what it is, at that point they choose to be a victim...
Just my 2 cents. Good luck in the new city!
I don't think we're purely victims of our environment. We are shaped by our personality, friends, experiences and values. Nothing is a result of only one thing.
this is one of those questions where it will be difficult for most rational people to pick one side. (no offense to the people who know what side they're on and are sticking to it.)
Yes, because if all you know is your small town in Texas and no one ever told you about the great wide world beyond your textbook, you generally have no inclination to go and see what else is there. I know people who have never left the state and believe everything their parents and preacher tell them (and are also possibly seriously afraid of the unknown). Mexico is a far away land, despite the border a few hours away. So is Louisiana, for that matter.
Of course, i think this belies some serious lack of wandering instinct and absolutely horrifies me; I tell people they ought to travel when and where they can all the time. Then again...my family hasn't been in Texas since before the Civil War either.
On the other hand, No. If you really want out, you will get out one way or another--the easy way or the hard way. I've got a friend from Alabama who never traveled a day in his life out of the South until he joined the Air Force. Now you couldn't pry him away from a city if his life depended on it.
Also, even if you do get out of your childhood geography, you're always going to think about what the folks back home would say, what your family would say (even you thought/said, to hell with them, i'll do what i want!)
Life does complicate things...it's hard to get a divorce or be a mother out of wedlock in a place where it's still a social stigma. Sometimes, just having the affair and stealing happiness when it's possible can seem like the only option open to a person. Can we really fault others for these things? Depends on whether or not they get caught, in my view.
For me, I love my home and I know I will always return to it. I know that if my mother did not like someone I was with, I probably wouldn't be with them much longer. (She's often a better judge of character than I am anyway.) But I also know I want to learn everything that's out there, and don't limit myself to conventional relationships and social mores. Maybe it was just how I was raised.
I'm from the Cincinnati area, and I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm single, never married, no kids, and even I feel out of place at 25. I do not think we are solely influenced by our environments, but I do believe that the cultures which we were raised within do play a major role in the things we bring to the table.
Yes...if you don't believe me, come to Utah and see how many people even 23 and above are going to be single.
Well... I'll have to think longer, in terms of what I perceive my regional marital standards to be. I live in rural Missouri, and my first instinct was to say that people feel the need to get married as a sort of validation, coming of age thing. Besides that, everyone loves a good wedding. Everyone always has at least one wedding story.
I feel confident, though, in saying that our culture plays a hand in marriages splitting up. Between gender roles and socially-stimulated drama, we never actually learn how to interact with people in a healthy way. I think that this definitely links back to why people get married in the first place -- I hate hearing about people "finding their other half," or that one other person who "completes" them. A lot of one's worth as a person is determined on one's partner, or lack of partner. Although I've certainly heard people saying our culture has stopped labeling spinsterhood, I know a lot of people who would ask what was "wrong" with me if I were 30, unmarried, no kids (I'm 19 now, and people are already asking me when it'll all happen!).
Now, I don't know what exactly your environment is like in terms of education, but some of the people I see having children young are people who don't get very far past high school. Plenty of the young families have college degrees, although that might have something to do with tradition -- it's like going to the university here in town is some sort of legacy. Most of the town is made up of families who have been here for more than one generation, and it seems to me like the drive to go out and make your own stable foundation from scratch is significantly lessened. You don't need to worry about leaving, and you don't need to worry about other people coming in and taking your jobs. I suppose when those worries are pacified people see it as the bulk of the pre-marital package being finished. Since we live in college town we're encouraged to go to college, and some people are even encouraged to go traveling to "have a good learning experience," but there's always the expectation that you'll come back and settle down.
Maybe that's it. "Settle down." Like tossing a handful of dirt into the air, when it lands back on the ground. Everything settles back to the way it *should* be. What our culture wants for us is right there in the darn phrase.
Not directly.. Environment helps shape many aspects of our life, such as education level, career options, religion/political views, peer groups and etc. I think we are more directly 'victimized' by those factors than environment.
my ex is from ohio. most of his highschool friends have married straight out of highschool or midway through college. he didn't want that...so he moved to vancouver, canada. he's in his 30s, has lost the belief in marriage and despite is "super realistic" view of life, his quest in finding "the one" is somewhat too naive and dare I say idealistic.
i think our environments have influence the way we think...so does our upbringing and culture. I've always been raised to think that when i find the guy i fall in love with, we'll get married and have kids. But at the same time, if there is no ME as a person, then the other stuff doesn't follow. so... don't feel bad. In fact, if you were in Vancouver, we'd deem you NORMAL minded. Getting married in early 20s seem like a 'waste' of potential and life. Having a family is great but wouldn't they end up resenting each other for never doing enough for themselves?! god,..i couldn't deal with that. Hopefully, you'll make some friends so your time there will swiftly pass.
Well, I don´t believe in marriage, and even if sometimes I feel like having kids, I feel deep inside that they will be like an anchor that will only drag me down and not let me live my life to the fullest, since you just can´t get rid of your kids not even if they do some crazy shit, like terrorism, they´re always gonna be your kids; and cutting them out from your life would be like pulling out teeth on so many levels. I don´t even imagine myself "settling down" at 30, I´ve always been very independent, and only recently I´ve started to develop more self-confidence, realizing how strong and clever I am.
I know two persons who got married when they were 18 and 19 years old respectively, and they´re still together and very much in love with each other. I guess both of them went to college. I still don´t know how they made things work. Both of them are very mature and honest with each other, thing that most marriages unfortunately lack and that´s how they end up failing. And people wonder why the divorce rate is off the roof.
I would like to think that we are bigger than our environments.
And I would like to disagree with your incorrect assumption that early to mid 20s is too early to find someone you love. My brother met his wife his junior year of high school, moved out when they graduated and lived with her until they were around 24, and then they got married. He told me his biggest regret is not getting married sooner because everyone was telling them they were too young. They are now nearing 32, have three kids, and are very happy.
I also know my boyfriend's mom met her current husband in high school. They were high school sweethearts, but he went into the military and they both married different people. They both got divorced and married each other after all was said and done. Who says your first love isn't the right one?
And yes, I live in the LA area.
I would also like to politely disagree with your statement that, "I do know a few people a little better than the rest and it seems there is this feeling of failure if they get a divorce. " where you imply that you have not failed in any way if you get a divorce.
Marriage is a very sacred thing and while I agree you shouldn't rush into it, I think divorce has far too often nowadays become the easy way out. People get divorced right and left, and marriage becomes a trivial sort of thing.
I think there are some cases where divorces are necessary, but not before you have really tried to make the relationship work. Maybe some of these women need to focus on their marriage instead of sleeping around and they'll figure out if there really is something to work for, or if their relationship is beyond repair.
Don't paste your views on marriage onto SoCal/LA as a whole, they're in no way representative. I think your friends or family may be a better explanation.