Friday, 16 January 2009
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A Tiny Rant on Born-Again Virgins
This is a guest blog submitted by the_prestigiator. According to urbandictionary.com, a born-again virgin is a "formerly promiscuous person's commitment to not have sex (again) until marriage."
Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that just because you've slept with over fifty people by the time you're in college, that's grounds for you to put out. Definitely NOT. People can stop having sex whenever they want to and I wholeheartedly respect their wish to do so.
What annoys me, though, is the fact that the term "virgin" in there. In my opinion, the term "born-again" should probably only apply to religion, not sexual status. Moreover, when a mutual friend with a newborn uttered this irksome phrase, I wanted to scream at the top of my lungs, "NO, YOU ARE NOT - YOU HAVE A BABY!"
So you don't want to have sex again until you're married? Fine. Then simply state that. "Born-again virgin" is not only a lame term, but it's also a lie because you're not a virgin. Spiritually, yes, but not physically (unless you undergo a hymenoplasty). A better response might be, "sorry, I'm not into premarital sex anymore." Blunt and straightforward without that whole story about how you've forgotten all about sex. That's about it.
Do you buy the whole "born-again virgin" explanation? How would you react if someone told you that they chose to be "born-again" in terms of sexuality?
Last, would you date a "BAV"?
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Yes, I would date someone who was a "BAV" although, I think it would be more honest to just say it like you said it, "sorry, I'm not into premarital sex anymore."
You also mentioned the forgiveness that comes in Christ as a born again, I do believe there is forgiveness for those who didn't wait. But, as you said, that doesn't make someone a virgin again.
I think this term usually DOES apply to religion. I would think most people use this term to refer to a committment to God to keep themselves pure until they marry.
I'd date one if I liked her.
Do they actually have hymenoplasty or did you just make that up? I mean, that probably sounds extremely idiotic to ask but you never know about crazy medical procedures these days...O.o
i don't know, I do however know a couple of guys who would think that if you had had sex with other men, and then you were not willing to have sex with them. It would not be okay. I think you should wait until you are in a commited relationship, and realize your virginity ain't coming back.
I have no problem with people describing themselves as born-again virgins, but I prefer that they just call themselves celibate. It says, "I'm not going to have sex with you yet, but I have a good vocabulary, so we can still talk."
As far as BAVs go, I'd accept it in some cases; if I knew someone who'd lost their virginity as a result of a sexual assault, that's something completely different from someone who's had a plethora of sexual partners and decided to be "born again". In some terms the loss of virginity is 'willingly' giving yourself to someone, so rape wouldn't count and I'd understand that point of view...the whole thing is tricky. And even hymenoplastys don't count for much if you've already had sex. It's a really traditional view that hymens=virgins; hymens can break with any kind of strenuous exercise so that isn't quite accurate. This post made me really think, though! :)
lol i understand your frustration.. but i dont think most BAV REALLY consider themselves virgins and just use the term to get their point across. it is a lot easier to say that.. "im sorry but i not longer engage in premarital sex' lol really BAV is much easier to say.. I would try not to let it bother you..
but as far as dating one goes? unless im seriously in love with the guy. nope. im sorry.. but i like sex.. As is my moto..
"Make love, not war. But always use a condom."
Why the Hell would you date a born-again virgin? So every guy got to have sex with her up until you? That's a terrible deal.
I see what you mean, you can regain your faith in something but if you've done the act you're not a virgin any more plain and simple. Whatever happened to just saying "I'm celibate"? Using the term born again virgin seems like an I'm-holier- than-you way of putting it.
Lol I'm definitely against pre-marital sex, but I've learned in college that it's impossibly hard to find a guy I'm into who's atheist like me and hasn't gone past first base. I've given up finding a guy who hasn't gone to second base or further; I've even dated a guy who's had sex before. As long as he's willing to wait until marriage to have sex, it's fine with me. =)
I can't say I would or wouldn't date a BAV, but yes you can be BAV. Now if you are a non-believer I would just say you have made a decision to change your lifestyle and made that commitment to your future spouse to wait until marriage. Otherwise, you can be a BAV.
@FallenReign@xanga - yup, hymen reconstruction is real
which I think is kinda stupid because it's probably going to be popped as soon as you have sex again. I would probably not date a "born again virgin" for fear that he has slept with so many other women that he a. has an STD or b. is going to cheat. That's just the way I see it.
born again in christian terms means you've been reborn in the SPIRIT through God. it doesn't really apply here in that sense...but if someone regrets having sex, then I don't see why they can't say that, as long as they don't IGNORE that they have before.
@v_valdovinos@xanga - Oh. Thank you. If they had put it like you did--hymen reconstruction--I probably would've remembered it better. That still seems like a really useless procedure, though.
The fact that some people call themselves "Born again virgins" is humorous to me, and it has the same effect on me that it seems to have on you. In my opinion, hymenoplasty or not, if you've had sex, you'll never be a virgin again. If a woman has had sex, that's it. She can no longer claim to be a virgin. That goes for every type of sex, too. That's another thing a lot of females like to do; If they've only had like, anal sex for example, they'll claim to be virgins. That's not quite true.
I'm all for them not having sex anymore, but it'd be way better if they were to just say, "I'm not into premarital sex anymore, or promiscuous sex."
They're downplaying the worth of virginity on so many levels, pretty much lowering it to the worth of a quarter. Virginity is something that you don't come by often when the people are past twenty, let alone when they're older (Thirties, forties..). Fact of the matter is, you're only a virgin once. No matter the time period of that, it only happens once. It's a lot like cake. Once you eat the one cake you have, you'll never have that cake again.
I would probably NOT date a born again virgin, for the sheer fact I'd think he was an idiot for calling himself that. You can't really have a relationship when you start it off considering him an idiot... (Plus, as someone else already pretty much said, Everyone else would have already had sex with them and then they're holding off on you. XD)
Our sexuality:
Our bodies could care less what the Truth is, but if we were to think on it awhile the Christian perspective is such that God is the Author of Marriage, Sex, and all that we hope to achieve for happiness in our bodies. Ironically, because we do not trust Him, we do not trust His ways, and the consequence is a culture that is hurting.
We weren't looking for broken hearts, or to break them, we just didn't know. Often we are not taught how to love, and it is something that must be learned. We are usually taught little more than how to avoid unpleasant consequences like poverty and loneliness, but truth be told, we are impoverished in heart, and we know it.
Love is the answer, but Love without Truth is a lie. And, Truth, without love is often brutal, as is nature.
God presents Himself as both, perfectly. His guidelines for sex, in marriage are about truth, for trust, a solid foundation for Love to rest upon.
With love and Truth, God's Truth, people experience the fullest relationship possible.
Outside of God's Ways, it is just a passionate deception that burns out, or that is kept alive with materialism and distraction from a deeper need. A love-need that only Jesus Christ can fill.
Real love transcends all of time because it is imbued with the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit at work in the human heart of a man and woman is the pre-requisite for everything that God planned for man's fulfillment in romance.
If you don't think He is worth trusting look again to the mountains, and the rivers, listen to the wind. Or, consider the fields you drove past on the summer moved by the wind, consider the earth spinning beneath your feet having been made exactly for what you need, as your body too was made exactly for your partner, in God's Creation, according to God's ways.
Love is good. God IS Love.
i actually have a friend whos been a "born again virgin"... but we all stoped believing her after the 4th time. i think the term was made up to make the people who are ashamed that theyve had sex feel better about themselves
Never heard of that term before. But since I have now, it's dumb. Seriously. It's like saying, "I'm a born-again infant." Ahem. No. And my answer to the last question to the BAV who asked me out is, "No. You're dumb."
@FallenReign@xanga - actually some people it's not pointless or stupid like v_valdovinos@xanga stated. many women of more harsh religions have gotten them because when they marry they MUST be virgins, if not the pre arranged marriage is called off, they're beaten, shunned and some have even been killed. Even if they had no choice and were raped. The surgery fixes that and saves them.
So no, it's really not completely "stupid."
@FallenReign@xanga - I've heard of them...
But I think it's a rather strange idea. I get that in some cultures, an intact hymen is a sign of virginity, and that virginity is life or death in some cultures. But you can break your hymen without having sex (riding a horse, doing gymnastics, etc). But to me, it's just about trying to make it LOOK like you haven't had sex. You can't "unhave" sex.
Once your virginity´s gone, it´s gone forever. For me it´s not lost when you have any sort of sexual intercourse, but when you think about sex for the first time in your life. Seeing things from that perspective, mine has been gone since I was 5 (even if I´ve never had in my life any sort of sexual contact).
"Spiritually, yes, but not physically (unless you undergo a hymenoplasty)."
The hymen has nothing to do with whether or not you're a virgin. It can obviously break during various types of physical activity, and reattachment after sex does not reinstate your virginity.
Also, mine was surgically (but not really "surgically," so... medically?) broken/removed before I was two years old (which I was just told about a few years ago o.O), so I'll never have one to break during sex or other activity.
Bottom line: the hymen means nothing.
Otherwise, I totally agree with everything you're saying.
lol ive never heard of a born again virgin, but I get it, personally I think they should say "im not in the v-club anymore, but Im damned abstinent now". Then to state thier reasoning after lol
Ugh, some people... so ridiculous... so you had sex... get over it lol. Sex is awesome.
I call that abstinence not "born-again virgin" you can't be a virgin once you have sex.