Saturday, 10 January 2009

  • My Parents Don't Think My BF's Good Enough for Me

    This is a guest blog submitted by thistimeimperfect.

    I think this general topic has been brought up a dozen times already, but it's something that has me worried as I will soon be visiting the 'rents.  I've been dating my BF for about three years now, and due to horribly backwards Asian culture, I have always played down the relationship for my parents.  For the longest time in high school and even college, I didn't think they could even fathom my seriously dating anyone, so I carried on my relationship only briefly mentioning it to my parents when they asked. 

    "Are there any nice boys around in college?" my mom would pseudo-innocently pry. 
    "Umm...well, there is this guy that lives down the hall; we hang out a lot together," I would say. 

    Fast forward three years, with me graduated and working full-time, he's still finishing up school because of an academic hiccup in the past. I can tell my parents are getting increasingly concerned that I am still with him, and every time I call them, they push me a little farther. "Why didn't he graduate like all of your other friends? What does he want to do with his life? What you two have isn't really love," blah blah blah. After a few of those conversations, I get so angry with my mom I just want to scream.

    I guess she's worried about a couple things in particular. My BF and I really grew into our relationship over the years, so it wasn't love at first sight or anything.  However, we get along famously, so much so that it has been challenging to distinguish ourselves separately from the entity that our friends sometimes see us as. (It's gotten better now that we lead separate lives instead of sharing the same work/living space in college.) 

    But Mother really doesn't think growing into a relationship counts as love, nor does she view his slightly longer college career as anything except academic failure. Success - particularly work-related success - is like the holy-grail of Asian values.  If you're aspiring to become anything but a lawyer, doctor or PhD, your net worth just took a nosedive in front of my parents.

    I've dodged and fought my way with my parents on this issue before, but the battle is set and it's going to be rough... so dear Datingish community, any thoughts on how I can maneuver my way out of this hard place without raising hell over the dinner table? How can I tell my parents that what they value in a significant other isn't completely aligned in my book? 

Comments (38)

  • liquid_s@xanga

    who are you? you are exactly like me! except i do like my bf & i as one entity (we were just born from extremely differnet mothers). i'm first also. it must be meant to be. tell me what you've done so far. cuz all i ever do is cry and make plans to move.

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  • SerenaDante@xanga

    I am in almost exactly the same situation. I haven't been with my boyfriend as long, though, but I've been a little bit more clear about how much the relationship means to me to my mother, and she always argues with me about breaking up with him.


    The thing is, however, that I Love Him. I've actually called my mom a bitch before and hung up on her repeatedly when she gets really intense about things, because it is NOT her life. She is not going to take away the love of my life just because she thinks he isn't smart enough or something - she needs to see that there are other amazing qualities about him. For example, he's an extremely hard worker. And, he always caters to pretty much my every need. And he's very romantic, even after over a year of being together.


    It really sounds like you're considering letting go of this relationship so as not to upset your parents. I won't try to convince you to do anything but what you want, but I do have to ask - what DO you want? Do you want to be with this guy because you love him? If the answer to that is yes, then you're going to have to make that very clear to your mom. She might get very angry at you - but I doubt she will disown you or something like that. And eventually (even if it takes a few years), I'm sure, she will get over it and accept that you are happy.

  • girl_lost_in_the_dark@xanga

    I don't have a boyfriend so I don't have to deal with the issue of my parents not liking him. But I don't really know what I would do if my parents hated my BF. It seems like it would be awkward. I know they like the guy I have a crush on right now but who knows if anything will happen there.

  • sweetsweetsugarjunkie@xanga

    Me being asian, what's worked for me so far is not fighting with your parents (they'll think your boyfriend is having a "bad influence" on you and then criticize him even more), but ignore them even though you pretend to be listening. After a while they'll realize that their insistent nagging is doing no good. But unless your boyfriend does something amazingly impressive he won't get 100% acceptance. Maybe more like... 60-70%.

  • KasumiCelesta@xanga

    Good thing only my mom is Asian...lol. But even so, she's not like the typical Asian mom or anything...maybe because I'm a bit conservative myself, as well as the fact that I've never really been in a serious relationship in general.

    I think the most important thing is that your parents trust you and let you do your own thing, as you are an adult now. Talk with them and tell them clearly that what you're looking for in a relationship is not what THEY want, but what YOU want. If they yell and get mad, just keep your cool. Eventually they'll have to accept your choice. Personally I've never been in that kind of a situation before. My mom has voiced some disapproval over guys that I liked, but never to the extent of a fight. She's very understanding. Good luck :)

  • BoStOnIaNMoMmY@xanga

    hun its your life, your relationship, your parents are going to have ther opinions and all u can do is shake your head to avoid the arguing...lets play the game "you win" and it will keep them quiet till the next time they see/talk too you again. =]



    GOODLUCK!!!!!

  • bigaslives@xanga

    as a fellow Asian, i completely understand where youre coming from. there are certains things that asian parents want and dont want to hear and certain things they weigh more in a SO than one would prefer. ive never reallly been in your case before, but i would say, for the most part, if i were you, i would try my best to down play (or completely cut out) any kind of bad talk about his longer-than-your academic career and talk up his good points: hes really focused in school right now, hes doing lots of extra curriculars, hes working, blah blah. hopefully over time, itll gradually make some kind of impact.

  • nbdyzangel@xanga

    Trust me, I know where you're coming from. My boyfriend and I have been dating for almost three years now. He's great and treats me very well. I see a future with him. However, he is slightly shorter than I am, which hits a snag with my parents. Although my bf and I accept our height difference, my side of the family can't seem to do so. No matter how much I stress that it is not up to my parents how my boyfriend should be appearance-wise, they can't seem to get it.

    I guess all you can do is just accept the criticism and learn to live your life based on your own rules. Eventually, once your boyfriend does become successful despite a delayed graduation, your parents may very well accept him as a suitable partner.

  • MusingsOfAnAlmostSocio@xanga

    Hmm, agree with most of the above, but here's some tips (from a fellow Asian, if that matters). First, there are two types of asian parents. Those who can be reasoned with and won over, and those who cannot. You might suspect they can be won over, but you won't know until you try. Try. Here's some tips:

    1. Food. If you're asian, you should know that food is a huge part of life and our culture. But he should do better than just say mm and thank you and ask for seconds. Here's my food gameplan, and it starts the moment I walk through the door. Round 1, snacks will be offered, probably fruit. Accept it graciously. Do not eat it. Take a bite, enjoy it, issue thanks, and then hold it and pretend to be so involved in other things, that you forget to eat. Whether it's asking questions or complimenting the house, or whatever, do NOT eat more than the minimum number of bites. If the snack offered are bite size, simply don't put it in your mouth.

    Round 2 might be tea. Accept it. Same applies, do not drink it. Sip it, swirl it, smell it, but don't gulp.

    Round 3 when dinner approaches, absolutely be 'hungry' but take SMALL SERVINGS. Americans often heap food. DO NOT. Make sure the food covers the plate (spread it thin if necessary), try everything, but make sure you get the minimum amount of food possible.

    Round 4 is seconds. You want seconds, but you can't eat too much. Think about it, but hesitate for only a moment, and then hungrily take a similar portion to the first round. Eat slower, gage the pace of your mother, who should be eating slowly.

    By Round 5, your mother should be trying to figure out what his favorite dish is. Now it's time to start refusing food. Politely, but not firmly. Accept after a single refusal. She will top off your plate with your favorite dish.

    Round 6 is optional, and you have to read her carefully. Refuse politely, but firmly, wait for her to press the issue, and then take fourths. You should be just about packed by now.

    Round 7 is after dinner fruit/dessert. Unless it's homemade dessert, I would suggest turning it down, or only eating a bite, because you are absolutely too full from dinner. If she offers leftovers, take them. Compliment the food profusely throughout.

    2. Walk in with a gameplan. Confidence. Direction. Explanations are excuses, so don't bother. Like you said, his past is already a failure, and trying to convince them otherwise is pointless. Anything you talk about should be the future. It should be distinct, positive, and confident. Even if it is mediocre by their standards, you're better off if it's clear what his plans are. YOU will later have the job of convincing them that what's in his future is aligned with your happiness. The fact that he appears confident about his future, and that you are confident that that is an agreeable future, means that you have a HOPE of convincing them that it's true. They need to understand that you and he both understand your future and it is what you want.

    3. Be respectful. To you, to them. Affection is likely seen as disrespect, unfortunately. Let me rephrase that. Physical displays of affection are likely to be seen as disrespect. I don't understand this, but it's probably true.

    4. He should walk in with a topic with which he connect to your father talking about. Food will work on your mother. Conversation for the father. He should come in knowledgable, but willing to intelligently disagree if necessary. If it incurs a discussion, he should concede somewhere along the line, but be respectful, attentive, and listen throughout. Your father should see him as a man, but not as an equal. Don't pretend to be. He is not.

    5. If there are young kids, win them over. Every little bit helps. Take
    them to the arcade and be a limitless quarter machine. It's pretty fun,
    actually, regardless. Take them mini golfing, get them back on time
    safe and sound.

    6. It is up to you, to convince your parents afterwards that he is for you. He should not attempt to do so. He should merely attempt to win your mother through food, your father through conversation, and have a distinct gameplan for his future. You must convince them that he is what you want. If they believe that he knows exactly what he is, and that you know exactly what he is, they are more willing to accept that you are walking into what they disagree with, but with open eyes. If they respect you and they are able to be reasoned with, then they may be willing to agree to disagree.

    Good luck. It's possible.

  • mmmmarian@xanga

    @MusingsOfAnAlmostSocio@xanga - That was the greatest thing ever. I took notes for future reference :D

  • naruto_nerd@xanga

    Two roads to take:
    1) Don't listen to the parents and go ahead and marry the guy (if it comes to that). It's your happiness and not theirs. You know what he will become and you have to weigh you present happiness with that of the future (financial, emotional, etc).

    2) Listen to the parents and find someone that fits better into their asian success mindset. Although, like perfection, I think no man/woman will ever be good enough in the asian culture for their children.

    I have to say though, if it's only the academic thiing your parents are concerned about, then I would certainly go with option 1. Believe me if you choose option 2, you better think it through hard. I've lived it and I regret my decision...g'luck

  • NrCaSurferChic@xanga

    I'm sorry.. but all these 'rules' are ridiculous. If you love this guy.. go for it!! True love comes along so rarely.. and i believe that many people don't get the chance to truly and fully love someone like they should. Your parents love you and if they love you enough, they will get over themselves.. I have a feisty portuguese mother who has never liked any boy i have ever been with.. in fact the last boyfriend i brought home she refused to meet him. So i have given up trying to please my parents.


    i date who i want to date.. and if i don't think the guy is going to be the one for me.. i just don't mention it to my parents. Im not going to bother getting into a fight with my parents over a man who isn't significant in my life. But if i think he is.. i fight for him. 
    So again. If you think this guy could be THE one.. hold onto him! Your parents will come around eventually.. and if not.. then you just go your separate ways until your parents see that you wont back down.. you're a grown woman and YOU control your life.. not your parents.
  • tvPUFF@xanga

    How could anyone possibly be good enough for a parent's child? 

  • katiwitz@xanga

    I kind of know where you're coming from. My mother didnt like my boyfriend from the first time she met him. Things only got worse when she discovered how bad of an influence he really was on me. (And I'll admit, part of that is true. He did pretty much break me of any good girl reputation I had.)


    Whenever my mother gets going about him I always use the same line to shut her up; He makes me happy, and that should be more than enough to make you happy. When I start complaining about him, then you can tell me why you don't like him. Works like a charm. Good luck. =]

  • blaqkinkstyle@xanga

    It may be tough but be blunt about how you feel and direct. Its your life, I know they mean well and they care about you, but in the end it matters how YOU feel about the situation.


    Love doesnt have to be defined as an instant connection. If anything a love that grows is beautiful in its own way. Maturing and blossoming with time.


    I wish you luck, I really do.

  • JJ_Ames@xanga

    Sometimes parents are right. I'm not saying that, based on what you've presented, they are but rather noting that some girls I know have gone against their parents' wishes and found out later that the guy was a real loser.


    I was about as hopeful as an extra hole in the head, right?

  • thistimeimperfect

    Thanks for all the comments guys and gals.  Your support and reasonings have given me much hope that this year will be better on the relationship/family front.

    Musings, I think your gameplan would have worked twenty years ago in China (now that you mention it, I totally understand what happens when people visit my grandmother's house!), but no, my parents aren't THAT conservative.  They won't hold it against you if you finish your food =P.

  • shining_room@xanga

    my parents were like that too with my boyfriend (now husband). I was going through my graduate school and he was working after getting his AA. So my parents saw the "huge" education gap and denied him until we said we were serious enough to get married. Then it all changed. They decided to open up more and see him as a person rather than a level of education. So hopefully they will ease up on you soon.. : ) good luck. btw.. it wasn't easy when we said we were getting married. but they came through at the end. Parents can never win over what their children want.. i think : )

  • all2mydawgs@xanga

    Wow you are in a tight situation there. It's always nice to have similar education backgrounds, but what you really want to do is convince your parents that this is what you really want.

    Your parents want the best for you. No parent, not even an Asian parent, wants their kid to be unhappy in terms of finding love. So the fact that they are questioning your relationship means that they actually don't see how your relationship will work out. Which means you will need to put in more effort into the relationship, and make it clear that this is the guy you want to stick with, work on a plan that would convince them that you've got it figured out with this guy, etc.

    At the end of the day, remember that your parents have more life experience than you do (they are older, they have marriage experience, they've raised you until college), so take their criticism for what it's worth, try to learn from them, but also do your own thing. In the end they'll respect you for it.

  • SpAnKyLiCiOuS@xanga

    i know how you feel. my parents have dissected every guy I've ever dated. My dad is also extremely adamant in that I marry a Serbian guy.


    Fortunately for me, my mom doesn't let him have his way. And also fortunately is that my mom never tries to belittle my b/f or pick apart his faults.


    In your situation...there's not much that you can do about your parents except show them that you've got a mind of your own. They have to realize at some point that they can't make your decisions for you. It's also a little bit of generational clash. Our generation has different values and needs. I think you could bring that up as a topic for discussion. Maybe then they'll understand where you're coming from better.

  • MorbidDustin@xanga

    Parents are important to respect...but I think maybe you should have mentioned more of him before you had graduated.  Because if you had grown into a relationship, maybe they too would have slowly grown with him while he is around... and because you are now working and he is still in school its harder for them to understand, no?


    In the end, though, it is up to you who you are with and love... though you are right to get mad, because you DO want your parents to accept and respect your desicions, so I think maybe time will slowly help you out here.  

  • BimBo_HiPPo@xanga

    meeting asian parents is like a job interview i  have to say and i want my parents to know about my bf but i don't know how to tell them, i don't think i will until they find out some other way!

    you should tell them, its your fault for raising me in a non-asian country, so you can't use that kind of stuff with me!!!
    lol~ at least that is what i thought of, but then again thats my line because my bf is white.

    good luck! i really want to hear what happens! :)

  • missleshya

    ok here is what i did. I got my grandma to talk to them. Cos the is highly respected and really pp do listen to her, so she talked to her son and daughter in law to at least take a look at the guy. Yep. They did. They loved him and accepted him even more than ever. But the irony is, i left him. But it does work out fine..in the end..

  • Purple_Harlequin@xanga

    Haha, similar to my situation... long story.
    Shit isn't it? Your parents are dead convinced that they know what you need - it's all very well them advising you so you don't get hurt... but when you're in love, there's no listening to the people around you.
    Imho, in such a trivial thing as a relationship or love, only the two people involved have any say in what happens. ( Unless one or more people in said relationship are emotionally or mentally unable to understand or cope with the consequences of what they're doing... In which case, they should probably be guided, but not too much. ) Love is a personal thing between two people. Other people can shit off. Bleh. (:

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