Sunday, 04 January 2009
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The Virginity Dilemma
This is a guest blog submitted by deathtemplar.This New Year's Eve, I was out with a girl I met online. It was our first date, and of course, I dressed to impress; she wasn't dressed too poorly, either! We decided on an Indian restaurant the night before, got there relatively early and were seated shortly. Our conversation made it seem like this wasn't our first date because there were no awkward silences, everything just came out smoothly and we had fun.
After dinner I drove her to watch a New Year's Eve display and we got closer, eventually holding hands and kissing (although she coyly stated that I needed to tell her that I wanted a kiss from her before she would actually do it). Neither or us got home till 3 or 4 a.m. Since then, we've been calling each other and here comes the dilemma.
We were talking about our pasts (okay, maybe it's a loaded topic for a first date), and she asked me if I was a virgin; I answered (but censored it for you guys, heh) and asked her whether she was a virgin or not. In my mind, I already label most girls as non-virgins; sorry if this is offensive, but after my last GF, I just have a horrible view of women in general. She answered that she wasn't a virgin, either.
Now why is it that horrible, you may ask? Let me explain... That night when she and I kissed, she told me that she didn't kiss a lot and was a "noob" at it; I told her it was cool. Now, I don't know why, but when she said that, my image of her turned more innocent than the usual image of a girl being, for lack of a better word, a slut. (Once again, sorry girls/women)
So when she told me she was not a virgin, my innocent image of her went down the drain quicker than Drano.
Yes, nowadays, not being a virgin is not a big deal; everyone has sex. My question to you all, though, is aren't we just accepting this and lowering our standards? Many of you will say, "hey, if you like her, you shouldn't care about her past." In my mind, it's true, but in my heart, can I really accept that? I don't think so.
If you really like someone, wouldn't you want her all to yourself? But because she's not a virgin, you're not really getting ALL of her, because someone has THAT part of her and you're never able to get that again.
So there's my dilemma.
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@alice_tiny@xanga - I agree! Why with all the possession? There are some things you can't have. And just because a girls not a virgin doesn't make them a "slut." If you really like her, you can talk to her about it and see what she has to say. And if you're not a virgin, this is just hypocritical. And what she said about being a "kissing noob", it might tell you that she's never kissed someone who really liked her and appreciated her. You never know.
i'm assuming your not a virgin either, by the sound of your last gf it wouldn't be surprising.
so - if you are or were no virgin, would that make you a slut, too?
Let me tell you this: First you just want to pop a cherry not any cherry... Second when someone popped that cherry you feel left out. Third, you rather be finding a virgin that could be a total bitch than some that is non virgin that it's such a sweetie? Making her first time isn't important these days. Unless you're have anxiety issues. Poor you if you dump that poor soul!
@MrsMok@xanga - Exactly.
@LadyLibellule@xanga - Exactly.
@UnVolume@xanga - Exactly.
I agree with all of these. I also think it's important to choose who you have sex with, but it's not supposed to be important to others (it's kind of private business).
P.S; You're a slut, right?
Uhh.. I'm confused too.
So, you assumed she was a virgin, and that must of been some of the attraction.
Are you looking to take her virginity.. or are you looking for someone who is a virgin due to religious beliefs or what?
If it's the first, well that's all sorts of screwed up.
If it's the second, then you'd better be a virgin too.
You can't judge her from something you've done yourself, sorry.
So, get your priorities straight. If you are looking for someone who is going to hold out till marriage (assuming YOU have/will too) then okay, she isn't for you.. but if you are just looking for a v-card, then you don't deserve her time of day.
Sex should be saved for marriage
Hi! i happend to wonder accross your post.. im a 19 year old girl.. im still very much a virgin.. im not afraid to say it. sometimes us girls do worry about what guys think of us. i don't see it as a big deal that i still am, but i admit in the past i have said im not... because i've felt i've needed too. just talk it through..
You seem to have this idea that if a woman has sex, even if it is JUST ONCE, she's automatically a slut simply for no longer being a virgin. Just because she is not a virgin, doesn't mean she sleeps around and has zero morals. You know, she could be the PERFECT woman for you, but you're cutting ties with her because you discriminate against people who have made mistakes in the past. You don't know the story behind her losing her virginity. What if she thought she was going to spend the rest of her life with that person? What if she was raped? You jumping to conclusions is very unfair towards her. There's more to a person than whether or not they've had sex, and if you think that's all there is to defining a woman, then that's pretty insulting. Grow up and learn to accept that people have made mistakes, or else NO ONE is going to be "good enough" for you.
I honestly think it's selfish; I'm a girl and what if I wanted a guy who was also a virgin? All the questions you asked, I ask you back. Why is it okay for men to have sex and not women? Just because we lose something you can't even feel? But I do agree with the comments I've read, you should talk it out. I know tons of people, my older sister included, that had sex before marriage with people other than their current partner and live happily.
She COULD always do some kind of plastic surgery to become a virgin again. Tons of religions prohibit sex before marriage, and to cover it up, non-virgins have this surgery to become "virgins" again. -shrugs-
@LadyLibellule@xanga - Sorry. I wasn't paying attention to that at all. Wasn't trying to make an argument. Just point out something.
I still agreed with you.
It is hypocritical and sexist.
why is it okay for men to have sex, but not women?
I don't understand why that it matters to you...How is someone's, or should I say "a female's" value lowered or diminished if she chooses to have sex? Why is it a bad thing? Men like you make me sick.I understand where you are coming from.. I am sixteen and still a virgin. My boyfriend whose eighteen however is not a virgin. And when i think about how I know he will be my first time and I will always remember that it hurts to know I won't be his special first time that he remembers.
i think it depends on how many guys she's slept with ... idk ... why must you be that narrow?
I realize that I am going to be repeating alot of what other people have already said (and that should tell you something) but...
...judging future relationships a certain way because of a past relationship OR making up a steryotype about a group just because one person you know from that group behaves a certain way...you have no right to do that...every person is different and every relationship is different...just because you had a bad experience doesnt mean the next one will be bad too...and besids comparing your past to your present like that will only make things go bad or go worse than they already are...
...also...I dont necessarily see wanting "all" of someone to yourself as possessive and I understand why some people wait until marriage before they have sex (for religious or other reasons)...the problem that I have with your statement is that you noted that you were not a virgin either...Im not saying that you, as a non-virgin, cannot desire to end up with a girl who is a virgin but you cannot automatically label her a slut (just because she has had sex in the past) when you dont know the whole story. What if she has only had sex once, what if she has only had sex with someone when she was in a relationship with them at the time, what if it was rape? There are those and many other examples where a non-virgin would not be considered a slut.
...and if we are going to go by your definition of a slut then you would be just a much of a slut as her (since you are also not a virgin)...
I fear for the girl you eventually mary. I also pity her, for her stupidity in marrying you.
Women are not posessions, to be had, and kept, and prized. We are people, with our own foibles and imperfections. Virginity is not our only commodity here, and equating women with it is supremely conceited and stupid. You won't win a woman truly worhty of yourself by requiring virginity at all costs--you'll most likely lose her, because she'll have had sex, and you'll end up with a puppy who''s happy to be led around on a leash, or, worse, someone who's willing to be placed in that little ivory tower dedicated to Virture that you've already started to build. Until she comes along, I suggest you keep your judgements to yourself, live a happy single life, and make lots of friends. If you're lucky, and you meet a very special woman, she'll have saved herself "all for you," just you alone, to possess. If and when you do find her, you can rest assured that she's allowed no thoughts of her own to interfere with others' opinions of her, that her education will be perfect, because she'll have listened to everything anyone at the front of the classrom has ever said, and that she'll be the most pure, most beautiful, and most virtuous of all women. She'll be perfectly happy to allow you to make all her mistakes for her, as well. For your sake, I hope this fairy-tale girl's infatuation with you never wears off.
For her sake, I hope it does.
You want a paragon of innosence--and there is no such thing. Not in this day and age. Not in any day and age.
Uh yea, whether it was neither or either doesn't matter. Neither is just grammatically unsound. They both still mean the same thing.
i am 23 and still a virgin. to be honest, becuase I believe it weighs heavily in this subject, I am also not bad looking to any degree. I have been flirted with by a multitude of women, including the head-turners, and nothing has happened ever. Even after I have had many, PRESSING, chances. It's possible and a man can have the will to say NO, even to the most sexually attractive.
however, it does cause me much woe in today's society for those very reasons stated in the blog.
ccc! I think your being really unfair because now look at all the thinks your thinking abou ther. Shes a SLUT because she isnt a virgin? Thats not fair ! Another thing is dont you think she should be thinking the same thing? I mean you werent a virgian eather you said it yourself ! DOnt you think she would want you to be her only one eather? How is it okay for you to want to be the only one that has been with her and yet she cant think the same thing about you? YOu know what else is funny is that in our society if a guy gets hooked up with girls his considered a P.I.M.P. and his the coolistt thing in the milkyway yet if a girl was in his ossition she would be a whore a slut blah blah. I mean think about it your not a virgian and thats okay but becasue she isnt shes a slut? In a way so are you ! :) DOnt think Im attacking you but its irritating for males to think that we havet o be goody tissues and stay home and control our hormones while they go out and "practice" ! WE are as much capable of saying we need it as any other guy and how is it we have the strenght to control ourseves and men dont? So what were more powerful? more strong ? but but... women are weaker then men ... OR R THEY?
The first question to this would be: are you a virgin? If you are not, what right do you have to want your significant other to be a virgin? Don't you think your significant other would want all parts of you as well?
I think that your opening statements about women say that you're a huge douche-bag. With that being said. Sex is something that is different for different people. Some girls are loose. Yes. Tons of guys are worse. But a women can not be a virgin nor a whore. So stop acting like you're better because you're a man. A girl has a choice to make just like a girl. They can both say no. They can decide to have sex. It shouldnt completely define your views. If you liked her at first then that shouldnt change because of that. Thats almost as bad as racial discrimination. You're discriminating against that poor girl for a choice that she made. You should really be ashamed of yourself. Thats my view. Take it or leave it <3 addy
So if your not a virgin its alright and dandy but suddenly you meet a girl whos not a virgin and all you can think is OMG WHAT A HOE I CANT DATE HER DOUBLE U TEE EFF
sorry dumbasslet me go find you the virgin girls club since only men can have a past and women should just keep their vaginas shut until some dumbass who has had sex with every other chick on this planet is available..
are you even thinking when you write these things?!~
I wouldn't date a girl that wasn't a virgin.. but then again, I don't have double standards. I'm a virgin and I'm waiting and I need that girl to do the same for me.
I WANT it to be awkward, I want to figure out what I'm doing, and it'll be great when it finally does happen. If you're not a virgin man, you have no say.
Her non-virginity doesn't make her a slut. Maybe she's only slept with 1 guy and doesn't have a lot of experience. Don't be so quick to assume she's slept around.
good luck finding a girl that is a virgin. not saying there arent any but its rare. so a guy has had "that part" of her but its just physical, once you and her get closer you wont think about it like that besides i think your just making a big deal out of nothing.
if a guy expects a girl to be a virgin than i think the girl has every right to expect the same from the guy. its only fair.
I have had sex with seven virgins until date. It's not the greatest experience, let me tell you and I did not do it to take their cherries. They just happened to be virgins. If they weren't, it wouldn't have made any difference to me.
There is nothing great about it. In fact, it's more problematic, if anything. They follow you around after and get all weird and possessive over you. Then when you are dating someone new, some of them have called years after. For some reason, they just can't get over it.
The actual experiences were mixed. Some of them were very good the first time and other were absolutely terrible at it. Some made me wait for hours to get the damn thing in. I had to just inch my way in while others just gobbled it up and did and awesome job.
All in all, I really don't care if these girls are virgins. Just have fun and if you find a keeper, don't worry about her past too much. Now, this is not true if she's the village bicycle and has screwed half of your chemistry class. I actually know girls like this and although I have banged a few of them, I know better than to even consider dating one.Â
Good luck and I hope she's not a slut.