Monday, 08 December 2008

  • Beware The 30-Year-Old Virgin

    This is a guest blog submitted by lil_squirrel4ever.

    Before I start, I must say that I had hesitations about writing this for fear of offending some readers, but in the end, I decided that this entry had to be written as a warning for my fellow female Xangans who may be unfortunate enough to come across the fabled 30-40-Year-Old Virgin.

    Here is my unscientific theory, based on my relatively short - yet eventful - twenty-five years of (in)experience.  You can take it, read it thoroughly, and then throw whatever feedback you please my way.

    I must also throw in a disclaimer about how my goal and intent was not to defame, insult, or humiliate any poor soul at all, but much rather to provide a kind of real life education that some people, like me, would be thankful for.  What better way to learn than to be spared the painful scars of falling on your own tiny or substantial ass by living vicariously through others?

    Perhaps because of the well-received, and perhaps even heartwarming romantic comedy of late - the unforgettable "40-Year-Old Virgin" - it has become somewhat of a novelty of a notion to nab that inexperienced, shy, but promising male that lingers in the back stockroom, waiting to be weaned from his little shell.

    I am going to debunk that little fantasy, because in the end, the woman who thinks that she's strong enough, patient enough, or just plain bored or desperate enough to try conquering such a feat as the 30-40-Year-Old Virgin is pretty much going down the road of frustration, hurt and defeat.

    I will list my arguments simply and succinctly.  I believe that most 30-40-year-old virgins possess at least one, if not all, of these issues, and if he does, you should run the other way because he's not worth the trouble.

    1) As a good friend of mine once told me, any geek still functions based on the relative amount of blood flow to his throbbing member, meaning that if a guy - any guy, no matter how shy - wants you bad enough, he's going to go for it.  This theory is supported by the ever-popular, Oprah-backed bestseller He's Just Not Into You.  Perhaps the feminist "do it yourself" movement has gone to far by motivating otherwise successful women into doing the lazy man's job (read: defeatist behavior of pushing him both into and through a relationship that is bound to crash and burn).  Perhaps the book has a good point: if he's not asking you out and making you feel special enough that you're not questioning your status, then maybe he's just not that into you, and therefore not worth the trouble and heartache.  True, some geeks are shy and need some prodding and pushing, but why should you be the guinea pig for a social experiment?

    2) Any geek can get laid if he wants to. Yes my globetrotting is limited to some parts of Europe and North America, but anyone with even one working eye can see that sex is not limited to the beautiful or intelligent minority.  In fact, I am bombarded with enough Ugly People PDA that I am more than convinced of this theory. Our minds have a way of playing tricks on us when we fall in love, and then there's always cheap booze or the cheap hooker on the corner. So, in the end, if this guy is crying that he's never gotten some nooky just because he is still waiting for the one - the lucky you - then most likely something is truly wrong with him. Sure, some guys out there have a strict moral code that makes them take strange vows of abstinence, but those guys are rare and few and far between. Men have plenty of sperm to spread around with random women on random park benches, so what makes you so special that he's been waiting his whole life to save it for you?  Most likely it is some fantastical lie to cover up his anti-socialness that is so freaky (Ă  la "serial murderer" freaky) that would make him a less than cuddly companion.  

    3) Opposites do not usually attract in the long term.  First of all, consider yourself lucky if you have managed at all to attract someone who is radically above you in status in any way (looks, intelligence, personality).  How can two people from two different worlds come together harmoniously if they have lived different lives and have such radically different viewpoints?  How on earth can someone meet the needs of someone whose perspectives are so different from her own?  Good communication goes a long way, but in the end, it poses a kind of challenge that few relationships can handle.   

    And for those who like to say "I told you so," I've learned that chemistry (read: LUST) is not a good predictor of relationship success or compatibility between two people.  Just because you are initially attracted to someone doesn't mean it is going to work.  This sucks, but it's the painful truth that I've had to swallow.

    4) He's an antisocial hermit.  It takes a lot for a truly introverted, antisocial guy to come out of his shell.  First of all, many men are loners (sorry Mr. Peanut for another generalization, but it's true!). Maybe guys just don't crave the same kind of personal and emotional interaction we females do, hence the many hours sitting alone in front of the computer observing/sharing porn, playing long-ass, addictive video games and settling in front of the boob tube.  

    The 30-40-year-old virgin is a special loner of the exaggerated sense; his social awkwardness has confined him to so many years of hermitdom that for him to come out of it would be like coming out of his familiar and comfortable cave into the blaring sunlight. It's not fun, and he's most likely going to dart back in before you can do anything about it.  The simple solution would be to join him, but who's to say you would truly enjoy this or that he would even want to share his toys with you so you can partake in the things that his pathetic life has forsaken him to?

    5) Speaking of toys, perhaps his virgin status is directly related to his maturity.  Who really wants a ten-year old boy for a partner?  In the end, his wants and needs are limited to seeing and touching your fun parts, and if you slap his hand away, he is just going to go to the corner and sulk while you have to make up your mind to appease him and just let him do it, or better yet, send him away like you probably should.  Talk about creepy...unless, of course, you possess some kind of Freudian mother/son complex or something.

    6) Delusions of Grandeur.  He's single because he thinks he's model worthy, but in fact, he's no Leo.  Sorry Mr. 30-40-year-old virgin, no Giselle for you (doesn't matter if you're 6'1", too, Mister). Yes, there's always that slight possibility that you could and would nab that hot piece of ass, but if you had to wait this long and still haven't gotten lucky, then maybe it's time to face reality - she's just too hot for you.  *pop*

    Girl in waiting: he may fall and/or settle for the less-than-model types (read: the average girls like me or you), but his delusions of grandeur will lead him to lose interest right off the bat because you were just some kind of screwed-up confirmation in his head that he could easily move up the ladder to someone bigger and better.  His unrealistic bubble needs to be popped by someone who actually wants to waste her own time on such an arrogant ass.

    7) He's scared of the entire female species. His interactions with women are therefore very limited (probably to his own mother and sister who are "safe"), and he has a very narrow understanding of the female kind as a result.  A good indicator of this is that he lacks the experience of platonic female companionship and thinks this to be an impossible notion. "Guys and girls can't just be friends" -  I've heard it too many times before from really creepy men.  Not exactly your ideal pickup line, IMO.

    As a result, he would have difficulty grasping the way that women and men connect on a whole different kind of level (friendship-wise, intimate relationship-wise), and will have skewed expectations of what to expect and what he should be contributing to the relationship. In simple terms, he is going to treat you badly. Like I said before, why should you be the guinea pig? 

    In the end, it is in a way quite perplexing; despite all the blatant negatives, why would any girl want such a guy?  Well, I can tell you that it is possibly this fairy tale notion in our heads that the 30-40-year-old virgin is the undiscovered jewel floating somewhere in the confusing and scary sea of players and "bad boys" waiting to be shined to perfection.  

    Imperfect in nature, he supposedly should expect less of us, placing our imperfect selves on gleaming pedestals because we would be the goddesses in his eyes.  For once, we want to give the "nice guy" a chance.  So Mr. Nice Guy, if you are still out there and looking for a decent girl with good values and a strong sense of who she is and what she wants, then here I am, still waiting and willing to devote whatever remnants of her heart that is still intact. 

Comments (208)

  • cmdr_keen@xanga

    It's an interesting take on the subject, although I think media stereotypes have blown it out of proportion a little bit.

    Most of your points are valid, but in love everyone needs to take a chance and dive into the relative unknown.

    It still is possible that that 30-40 year old virgin is the diamond in the rough. You've just got to have your eyes open and make the most of the opportunity.

    Be positive!

  • AnonymousBlonde@xanga

    1. This was a little demeaning towards the older, socially awkward males, but I guess in theory your observations could work.  I know you didn't intend for it to be, but it did slightly come off that way.


    2.  I don't know how many hits you're going to get for a relationships after this post from the males you just tore apart lol.  Also, I think there's a difference between "Mr. Nice Guy" and "Mr. Socially Awkward 30/40 Year Old Virgin."  You addressed one without addressing the other and it seems unfair for you to lump both of them together after telling one party all the things that are wrong with them and then still expecting all of them to harbor "Mr. Nice Guy" feelings (if that's what you intended at the end of your post).

    @cmdr_keen@xanga - Hah, I'm glad someone posted before me.  I do agree with you that it is possible for that 30/40 year old virgin is a diamond in the rough.  A person shouldn't shut out an entire group of people based on a few bad experiences.

  • Just_call_me_the_underdog@xanga

    1) As a good friend of mine once told me, any geek still functions based on the relative amount of blood flow to his throbbing member.... if he's not asking you out and making you feel special enough that you're not questioning your status, then maybe he's just not that into you, and therefore not worth the trouble and heartache. 



    Or, maybe he is just shy, and that's that. Maybe plenty of girls have screwed with his mind by leading him on with traps like all these fake compliments, and then freaking out when he starts feeling closer to her. Maybe he's into you but GASP, he doesn't know if you're into him! Maybe like any other human being, he doesn't want to hear the word "No", because *gasp* most NORMAL people don't like rejection! Maybe his male buddies are PUSHING him to ask you out, because the worst you could do is say no, right? Really, that's ALL that could happen if he "made you feel special enough".


    2) Any geek can get laid if he wants to. So, in the end, if this guy is crying that he's never gotten some nooky just because he is still waiting for the one - the lucky you - then most likely something is truly wrong with him. Sure, some guys out there have a strict moral code that makes them take strange vows of abstinence, but those guys are rare and few and far between. Men have plenty of sperm to spread around with random women on random park benches, so what makes you so special that he's been waiting his whole life to save it for you? 


    .... Anyone else seeing what's wrong here? So a guy that DOES have moral code (but we're basically extinct), is either rare or something's wrong with him and he's lying to get into your pants. If having a moral code, or saying that we're waiting for 'the one' is now a bad thing, then you just answered your own question inquiring "where are all the nice guys"?


    4) He's an antisocial hermit.  It takes a lot for a truly introverted, antisocial guy to come out of his shell.  First of all, many men are loners (sorry Mr. Peanut for another generalization, but it's true!). Maybe guys just don't crave the same kind of personal and emotional interaction we females do, hence the many hours sitting alone in front of the computer observing/sharing porn, playing long-ass, addictive video games and settling in front of the boob tube.  


    Or, maybe from birth, we were forced against our will to hold in our emotions, "be a man, be tough, grow some balls", and NOT be emotional, NOT lecture others on immaturity or manners, to BE piglike or disgusting? Maybe when we show emotion, YOU run the other way? How many times have you heard of the husband whose father died, who became an emotional wreck, and then his wife went and cheated on him?


    "So Mr. Nice Guy, if you are still out there and looking for a decent girl with good values and a strong sense of who she is and what she wants, then here I am, still waiting and willing to devote whatever remnants of her heart that is still intact."


    If we were all to be as judgemental and quick to conclude as you are, we would start blowing up that sentence right there - "whatever remnants of her heart that is still intact" - and with this, all you've revealed is that your male bashing here - stating that we're all emotionless pigs who have sperm to water the park with and lie about being nice to get into women's pants - results from mere personal frustration and bias, and really serves to buffer your arguments.

    "I must also throw in a disclaimer about how my goal and intent was not to defame, insult, or humiliate any poor soul at all, but much rather to provide a kind of real life education that some people, like me, would be thankful for.  What better way to learn than to be spared the painful scars of falling on your own tiny or substantial ass by living vicariously through others?"


    Maybe not be so blind, ignorant, or naive as to follow through on the "fantasy" depicted in this paragraph:

    "Perhaps because of the well-received, and perhaps even heartwarming romantic comedy of late - the unforgettable "40-Year-Old Virgin" - it has become somewhat of a novelty of a notion to nab that inexperienced, shy, but promising male that lingers in the back stockroom, waiting to be weaned from his little shell."


    You must question the integrity of women who try and nab that 30-40 year old based on a fantasy brought about by a movie in the first place. You probably gushed and went "aww, that's sooo cuteee" in the theatres, you probably had known of Steve Carell and his charm and charisma (his asshole-charisma, the type that seems to make the women go "ugh, such a typical man, but I love him anyway"), and when you saw him portray this new "fetish", you based reality on movies (when you should know better) and thus, got burned.

    "I am going to debunk that little fantasy, because in the end, the woman who thinks that she's strong enough, patient enough, or just plain bored or desperate enough to try conquering such a feat as the 30-40-Year-Old Virgin is pretty much going down the road of frustration, hurt and defeat."


    Any wo/man who uses media, PERIOD, for the basis of their judgement on what reality must be like, is quickly going down the road of frustration, hurt and defeat.


    Your 25 years of experience, which started BEFORE the movie came out, BEFORE this became a "fad", or "fantasy", must be stemming from a lot more than just one concept of trying to screw a male virgin - your 25 years of experience led you to depict that men have sperm to throw everywhere, will only care about trying to screw the women they hook up with, lack the desire for emotional interaction, and rarely have any moralistic code whatsoever.


    Got any more bits of wisdom? As a 19 year old male virgin, I'm in SUCH a rush to "get laid" and really could use some tidbits from a bitter, confused woman.


  • Just_call_me_the_underdog@xanga

    @AnonymousBlonde@xanga - You ended up posting before ME. Heh, but it was refreshing to see your post as well.

  • awokenfatality@xanga

    I'm going to agree with the above, this was a bit demeaning to the male species, not every guy is going to spread his "seeds" with any women on any park bench. And there are 30-40 year old virgins that are diamonds in the rough.

  • cokeaddict@xanga

    *is still laughing*


    maybe it's inappropriate, but i found this to be absolutely hilarious.

  • cherry_tequila@xanga
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  • wisner86@xanga

    I made a vow of abstinence when I was 12 and it was nothing but sincere and meaningful. There were times when I was definately tempted to break it, but in the end, I held out. The first and only person I have ever slept with is my wife. I'm not asking you to understand my reasoning, I only ask that you recognize that not all virgins are losers.


    Of course, I would agree that if you are not a virgin and don't understand why some one would choose to live that lifestyle, that you should definately not go out with someone who is. Why? Because one of two things will happen. Either he will give in to the temptations and later hate either himself or you because of it, or he will become insecure over the fact that you have been with other people and will feel like he has to compare himself to them.


    Ultimately, what I am saying is that virgins should hold out for virgins.

  • Pokiiiedots@xanga

    @Just_call_me_the_underdog@xanga - It's nice to get a guy's perspective on this too. Not ALL guys are like the ones described in the blog. Some, maybe many, but not all.

  • AnonymousBlonde@xanga
  • Dustin_wind@xanga

    I speak for all guys when I say this was extremely demeaning. Mr. Nice Guy is totally different than the 30-40 year old virgin. I'd hate to see you get hits from posting this, but they'll probably come. You seem confused about what's what.

  • pimpjoosse@xanga

    30 and 40 year old virgins are creepy. Do yourself and the world a favor and seek out the 20 year old virgins.

  • Just_call_me_the_underdog@xanga
  • TheNotoriousGOD@xanga
  • stump@xanga

    Two things occurred to me while reading this: 1) I'm rare and few and far between, and 2) why the heck am I reading this?  Somehow I started getting Datingish updates, and I don't want them...

  • Trigger821@xanga

    I am a virgin and in a few more years I'll be 30. I am not ashamed nor proud of it...it is the way it is until I find the right girl.

    I mean it seems like you meant well...trying to help other women, but in this today western's society where the average for people losing their virginity is around 16, being a virgin at a much later age is rare thing and I think it is probably by choice.

    for me, I don't want sex to be just an act. I want it to have meaning (I believe this is especially true for the first time) and the only way for it to have meaning is in the present of love.

  • vickevlar@xanga

    I'm curious of the OP's take on the antisocial failure of human beings that are 30 year old female virgins? 


    Why do we define people by these terms so much? A person is a person, and if you like who they are then go for it, and if you don't then don't. If the only thing you find interesting in a person is that they are a virgin, then you are just as superficial and clearly deranged as someone who would dismiss someone because they are a virgin.  In some ways I'm glad this retarded-ass judgementalism still exists so overtly, because it just makes the people I don't want to have anything to do with that much easier to pick out and avoid.   


    Anyway, I agree with the sentiment of this post.  Leave those guys alone, so that they can find a fellow geek who actually understands and appreciates who they are and the way their mind works. 

  • XfantomcatX@xanga

    "In fact, I am bombarded with enough Ugly People PDA that I am more than convinced of this theory."
    Love that. Heheh Interesting post, indeed!

  • MrsMok@xanga

    Or you know, heaven forbid he has some kind of morals that he wants to uphold and not stick his penis is some girls vag just for kicks and giggles. It can't be that he is waiting for an actual meaningful relationship or anything. No, that just can't be the case. He has to some kind of 10 year female hating geek nugget.

  • Danloveschel4ever@xanga

    yeah if someone wanted to get laid it really isnt that hard. ha

  • thelostone@xanga

    Sorry, but you ruined any chance any "Mr. Nice Guy" out there would ask you out. This post only shows your own immaturity towards guys who don't sleep with any random girl they see and actually want some sort of relationship.

  • artemis_tx@xanga

    There are a LOT of people out there who are saving themselves for marriage or for a very serious relationship.  If you're doing this, you're likely to be a virgin much longer than the "average" age, and there's nothing wrong with that.  I don't like the movies showing it as some weird novelty.  Virgins are more common than you think.


    While I understand if they "hold out for other virgins", I don't think they strictly have to, though I could understand the concept.  There are also some of us who have made mistakes and slept with people in the past, but aren't doing it now, nor are going to until we get married.

  • BlueMoon613@xanga

    @Just_call_me_the_underdog@xanga - Go you! Very nicely said. Guys like you give me hope.

  • paperairplane_icons@xanga

    @Moktral@xanga - @Trigger821@xanga - @wisner86@xanga - @Just_call_me_the_underdog@xanga - 
    @artemis_tx@xanga - 

    She (the author) doesn't say that those with a moral code are losers or "Mr. Nice Guy". She says that if it is a conviction of a man's then that is different and fine, but that men with those convictions (that they actually manage to stick to) are "few and far between". She wasn't bashing willful abstinence, just those guys that have tried, and failed, and thus have some other reason for still being virgins (ie scared, psycho, hermit, her other listed reasons). Honestly people, read it before you have a spaz attack.

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