Saturday, 29 November 2008

  • Notes from A Recovering Nice Guy

    This is a guest blog submitted by DuckTapeJourneyman.

    In my previous post, I talked about the differences between Nice Guys, Jerks and Confident Guys.  Now, most guys can't be categorized strictly into one or another, but they tend to fall somewhere on this spectrum.  If you need me to explain the spectrum below, come see me after class.

    Now, the books I've read before try to scare your pants a new shade of brown before they tell you how to fix the situation.  I'm going to assume you want to hook up with chicks and get out of this Nice Guy trap, so I'll wait and scare you in a later post if you give up and think these steps aren't worth it. So, without further ado, here's my steps to step out of the "Nice Guy" persona and perhaps attract the opposite sex.

    Take a year to go on adventures.  "I can't take off that much time from work," you might say.  You're taking me too literally there. Take a vacation to somewhere exotic (I've been to Mexico City and Alaska in the last two years).  Go backpacking in the woods over the weekend (just don't play with the bears, Grizzly Man).  Learn a new language, try out exotic new foods or learn a new cool skill.  Remember, once you find a woman, she will want to talk.  You've got to have something interesting to talk about.  And no, the digital forests of WoW don't count for your adventure time. 

    Buy a book on comedy writing.  The number one thing women say they love about a man is how he makes her laugh.  This will definitely give you an edge. Come up with some witty commentary and test it on your friends.  They're looking out for you and will tell you if something like that will bomb or is worthy of repeating in public.

    Stop worrying about what other people think about you.  Honestly, you're the only one who thinks about that embarrassing moment in middle school gym class when you were pantsed in front of the girls' volleyball team. There are over six billion people in the world. If you stutter or say the wrong thing in front of one, there are plenty more that didn't hear it.  This is the beginning of confidence, and confidence is sexy.

    Accept that you have emotions, and allow yourself to feel them.  This is for more hardcore Nice Guys (never thought you'd see those words together, did you?).  Most Nice Guys bottle up the anger inside because someone told them it wasn't right to show that kind of emotion (often through some physical or verbal showing of force).  There are things you're supposed to get angry about, like injustice, or how crappily your favorite team is doing.  Real men can cry sometimes (but not at everything). You have to feel your emotions and maybe get a little help in how to deal with them if you need it.

    Study confident people.  Look around you and find people you admire and who seem confident.  Study them, and figure out their secrets. Maybe you can go to a bar and just watch guys pick up girls. See what works and what doesn't. If you're religious (and many Nice Guys are), study your more confident religious figures. I studied Jesus, and I was surprised to find I would call him a jerk if he wasn't the Son of God. Whoever came up with "Gentle Jesus, Meek and Mild" apparently only showed up for Easter and Christmas services, because between his life and death, he was a very passionate man.

    Face your fears.  Everybody has fears.  Let me repeat that again. Everybody has fears. It's what we do with them that determines where we fall on the spectrum. I might be afraid of asking a young lady on a date, afraid of her saying no, or afraid she'll rip off her mask and it turns out to be Ashton Kutcher yelling "You got punk'd!" But I don't let that fear rule my life. I ask the question, accept the result either way, and have fun with life. It's like a Band-Aid; the faster you pull it off, the less it hurts in the long run. And going along with that...

    Just ask her out.  Don't stew it over.  Don't look at her longingly from afar for six months. You build up fantasies in your mind, little glass castles that shatter and cut you when she finally says no. Sure, it added drama for Jim to wait so long to ask Pam out on The Office, but that's just drama. We don't need drama. We need to hurry up and dive off the diving board so we can play in the pool.

Comments (34)

  • poltron78@xanga
  • KarmasNemesis@xanga
  • mashimaroboi@xanga

    know most of this. though it took me nearly 21 years to figure that out.

  • JessxMaxine@xanga
    I liked these. Nice post!

    Xo
  • usmck@xanga

    if you're saying nice guys are less attractive or hot than nice guys, i wholeheartedly agree. i sit?

  • Insneruberduk28@xanga

    Hahaha! This post and the last one made me laugh so much, only because I'm thinking of certain people as I read it. Very good!

  • two_days_until_forever@lovelyish

    This was a really great post and I enjoyed reading it!

  • Roadlesstaken@xanga

    Very well written good sir

  • youdo_ntknowme@xanga

    "You got punk'd!" Haha, this list was entertaining and true.
    But I like the nice guy... :/ am I the only one?
    But anyways, good post!!

  • grinner08@xanga

    You're right.  He should just ask her out the moment he thinks it's right, that's not to be confused with the moment he's not scared anymore because so much time has passed.  The right moment is when he's talked to her regularly enough to convince her that he's asking her out because he knows her and likes her, not just because he thinks she's cute (although some women are more brave than I and will say yes without knowing someone better).  He should let her get to know him as well.  In this period, he should ask her questions about what she likes and just show genuine interest.  If she asks questions back and shows genuine interest and is single, he should ask her out.


    Even worse, if he waits months to just say hello, she'll be angry that he waited so long and be cold to him.  Dead in the water.  Abort, abort.  Don't make it worse by being cold back to her or worse rude.  Playing tit-for-tat is only going to make it worse.  Just forget it and leave with your reputation as a respectable guy intact.  You never want to be known as the guy that's rude to women.  Not worth it.

  • yume_bento@xanga

    ha ha this is great. I love the diagram really adds to the perspective. and I totally agree. good job.

  • SparklingFaery@xanga

    @youdo_ntknowme@xanga - I didn't take it as "don't be a nice guy anymore" so much as "Be a nice guy who will go out and take more chances, be more confident, go after what you want, instead of being that nice guy who sits in the shadows pining away forever."  Or a nice, confident guy... Not the kind that's so overly confident that he's a cocky jerk.

    But maybe that's just me.

  • aznsam999@xanga

    what if the girl you like is in another city? miles away...

  • jzrocker@xanga

    I didn't expect to see "take an adventure" as something to make this list, but that's such good advice. I love worldly guys who have seen and know more than I do.

  • loudletters@xanga

    I like the chart. And your advice is great as well.

  • wewong@xanga

    so pretty much this post is to teach you how to NOT be yourself.  yeah, you can make women laugh and studying confident men, but if you're not that, then sooner or later the woman you're with will find out, so what's the point.  i do believe you should be a well-rounded person in general, but if women like your pretend-self, then that just means that they probably have no idea who you really are.

    "stop worrying about what other people think about you"?  um...that is exactly why you're "prepping" yourself with all the suggestions on this blog, no?

  • Aleksiel84@xanga

    Cute chart.  Though one hopes Nice Guys can still be Confident Guys without totally leaping into the spectrum of Jerks?

  • Winifred222222@xanga
    Mmmmmm... cupcakes

    good advice :) 

  • SoHoian_NightOwl@xanga

    i like the way you think :] 

  • nitestar2@xanga

    sounds like a good advice for all the nice guys out there. then again, i like my guys a little naughty.

  • merquryd@xanga

    @wewong@xanga - 
    This is actually true.  My boyfriend told me he tried to put on this whole playboy, extra confident, unattainable persona to attract his ex because he liked her for a while.  He got her but then his true self started to show and I guess that dynamic didn't work out.

    Sometimes being this extra confident "I'm a smooth playboy and I don't care what anyone says" personality works to get the girl, but if that's not who you are, it will show eventually and you may not be able to keep the girl.

  • erahslover@xanga

    im probably on the right side of the slow in the purpleish area...
    I dont see why i should have to go through all of that. women dont. they want a confident guy, bad ass, assertive... then the gripe to thier friends when he wont "open up" and "share his feelings".

    its the most contradictory thing ever.

  • erahslover@xanga

    @nitestar2@xanga - but then you run to that guy who you've locked down in the "friend zone" to complain to when that naughty guy cheats on you.

    its like clockwork. i used to be "that guy" then i stop biting my tongue and i cant get girls to leave me alone. like.. im not a bad ass or "naughty guy", im just jaded. so you see my sarcasm and devil may care aditude as something its not... i just... kinda don't care.

    By the time you hit your mid/late 20s you've pretty much heard it all and cant fake like you're interested anymore. its sad, really.

    i think the weird/nerdy/artsy women are the last ones that i can actually talk to for longer than 10 mins without wanting to chop my own head off... and most of them get married REALLY quick, or are too cool to have boyfriends so theyre just "one of the guys" ...or lesbian... which is totally cool. I love my flock of lesbian friends who verbally abuse me everyday. shits hilarious and it keeps me grounded and on my toes.

  • keep_smile@xanga

    it's just simply nice =)

  • IMChurchmouse@xanga

    What a GREAT post!  You hit all the right points and explained them very clearly.  You have grown, and I'm pleased.

    @wewong@xanga - He's not saying "be untrue to who you are by doing these things" he's saying "you are too blank a slate...get some enhancements for what you feel, think and like" so we women can know you more.  If THAT isn't clear enough...I give up.  Stay blank, and enjoy your aloneness.  But you can always remember you were given good instructions when you get tired of sulking in that emptiness.

    @merquryd@xanga - this writer isn't saying to "play a role" like being a Playboy.  He's saying that to be attractive, you need to be more courageous and confident about showing who you are in your most comfortable and genuine style.

    Even if everyone here reads the same stuff on humor, we are all going to evidence it differently.  The thing is that we've all learned how to do it more competently.  So, please don't misunderstand what he's saying here.

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