This is a guest blog submitted by La_dolce_vida.
That's right..it's better than nothing...or is it?
I have one too many guy friends that somehow always,
always end up getting friend zoned and they cry their pathetic little eyes out to me wondering where their balls are. I'll listen to their sob story for about 2 seconds before I throw their balls back into their face and give them my speech about where they went wrong, but they NEVER listen! So what kind of speech do I give them, you ask? Well sit down, relax and read on, my fellow ladies and gents! I'm about to edumacate you guys on how NOT to get friend-zoned. For the ladies, you guys can share these tips with your "friend zoned" male friends and for you guys who happen to fall into this category often, you can stand to learn a thing or two.

Before I delve into the tips, I just wanted to talk a little about the rules of attraction based on the Ladder Theory™.
The Ladder Theory
, or "LT," is a pseudoscientific
explanation of the ways in which men and women evaluate members of the
opposite sex upon first impressions. In the "Ladder theory" model, this
decision is typically made quickly and is often final. This determines
the other's potential as a future mate. (Source: Wiki).
To further illustrate the Ladder Theory via pictures...
(knowing how visual you, my blog readers, are):
As you can see, the woman actually has 2 ladders in her mind whereas the man only has one. The woman's "real ladder" is reserved for guys who may possibly get into her pants whereas the "friends ladder" is well, self-explanatory. If a guy who is on the "friends ladder" attempts to jump over to the "real ladder", he may find himself kicked in the groin and fall into "The Abyss" to suffer a fate of shame, guilt and humiliation.

The key (for a guy) is to get himself onto the "real ladder" and not the "friends ladder" and there's a very fine line between the two ladders. One wrong move and he'll end up on the "friends ladder".
The man's ladder, as you can see is quite simple and self-explanatory.

Onto the tips on how NOT to get friend-zoned. You "nice guys" out there need to read this carefully and memorize it! Print it out; put it in your wallet if you must.
This means you are not her slave 24/7. If she says jump, don't ask "how high?" If she calls you at 3 a.m. wanting to eat chicken curry, it doesn't mean you show up at her door 10 minutes later with chicken curry that you flew in from India. This also means that you don't run out to get her tampons for her when it's that time of the month. And it definitely means you are not her round-the-clock chauffeur.
Even if you're thinking, "Oh, but I'm trying to help her out," no. No. No! You are not her f*ckin' taxi!
- Don't suffer from predictabilitis.
She should not be able to know where you are, what you are doing at any specified time even without having to ask you. There is nothing that screams "borrrrrring!!!" more than your sitting on your butt at home on a Saturday night watching Simpsons re-runs,
every weekend. Girls like mystery and intrigue. Make them think you're out on a hot date even if you're sitting at home sniffing your clothes to see which ones are clean.
- Stop playing "Dear Abby" with her.
Have you heard her stories of how So-and-So is
such an a-hole to her for the 10,000th time already? Have you sat through hours and hours of "Why is he this way to me? Why can't I find a nice guy like you?!" And my most favorite: "You'd so make a good boyfriend to some girl some day!"
Don't make this one girl's life revolve around yours. Pursue other girls and interests. The more you don't consume your life with just her, the more you'll show her that you don't think she's the last chick on Earth (because honestly, she isn't). Besides, if she sees you pursuing other girls, it may trigger a bit of jealousy. Maybe all of a sudden, she'll realize, "Hmm...am I missing out on something with what's right in front of me?"
- Don't be a Compliment Carl.
Sure, every girl loves a compliment here and there, but don't shower her with a blanket of compliments heavy enough to suffocate a 300 lb. man! Now I'm not saying to NEVER compliment her, but truth be told, when you're always complimenting her, you will illicit an "Awwww, you're suuuuch a niiiice guyyyy!" response. That type of response means only one thing and one thing only: "friends ladder"
forever. Really.
- Take charge/maintain control of your balls at all times.
There is nothing a girl loves more from a guy than confidence and when he takes charge. Example: if you guys are going out to eat and you ask her what she wants to eat, she replies with "I don't know/care, anywhere is fine by me." Don't sit there and play that seesaw game of: "Well I dunno...you decide. It doesn't matter where, I'll eat whatever you want...blah blah blah"! UGH. This screams total p*ssy. Step up to the plate.
BE A MAN. Take charge. Be prepared/organized. If you know you're gonna go out to eat ahead of time, do a little research. You can find a good restaurant on
Yelp in 2 seconds flat.
This step is very delicate, so tread lightly. Whenever you can, make small moves to be able to touch her. Whether it's a playful hug or horsing around, breaking that physical touch barrier is important because it shows that you are interested in her romantically. It also gets her used to your touch. This doesn't give you a license to be Chester the Molester, though (hence "
tread lightly".)
When you're tired of all the little hints that you've tried dropping and when you've done all the steps above, suck it up and declare your intentions with her. Make it known to her clearly that you want more than a friendship. Don't talk yourself into thinking that she's gonna catch on, read your mind and magically will tell you one day that she wants you to be her boyfriend. It.won't.happen.that.way.
Yes, you might be rejected. Yes, you might be shot down. Yes, she might tell you "Well, I don't like you
that way..." And yes, your friendship with her might be ruined forever. But you know what? You just have to bite the bullet and do it!
I know that's a lot to remember, but hopefully this will help you "nice guys" out there. If you're still not sure if you're headed for the "friend zone", you can always take this nifty
quiz to find out! Good luck! Now go get 'em, tiger!
***Disclaimer: What I wrote above is purely from my personal opinion. It is by no means the Holy Grail of dating tips!
Comments (149)
Very good advice, especially the dear abby bit. The second a girl starts talking to a guy about other guys, that guy can kiss his chances goodbye because he has been "friend zoned." I also really strongly agree with the not being her slave, the compliment carl and the take charge advice. All very good points
I hate it when guys complain to me about how girls never like nice guys when they are the ones putting themselves in the friend zone.
Although I do think that girls can get friend zoned by guys too. I've had it happen because I'm a good, loyal friend and so guys start to think of me as "their little sister" or something. So I learned all this friend zone stuff from my own experiences.
Those are definitely some of the things the "nice" guys are lacking. I loved the ladder theory even though I don't always agree with it.. Not all girls are that cruel. Someone told me about it in high school & when I mentioned it to one of my "nice" guy friends, I wasn't surprised that he didn't know about it. But in general, great pointers.
I think the "take charge" bit applies to all guys out there. Girls like it when a guy is decisive.
hahahahahah so true! i'm sharing this with a bunch of my guy friends who always seem to be in the friend zone.
Freakin AWESOME. I like this post a lot! Ladder theory has always been in my top 10 lists. Hopefully the infinite number of friends will be saved by thsi post
Awesome, especially the part about guys taking a risk! some guys nauseate me because they're too afraid to take a leap of faith. Come on, if you want her, go after her!
I remember this from some website I saw a few years ago. It's still awesome though.
very good and accurate advice!
Lol. But I think it's not a bad thing to be friend zoned. Ok, ok, before you start throwing things at me, let me just say that there are people out there who need to be friends with a person first BEFORE going out with them. I am that way, myself. I think a big mistake a lot of us make is to treat love like a game--if you're seeking genuine love, it shouldn't be played as if it's a game. I wrote this on another post, too--"nice" guys are generally lacking in self confidence and self motivation, and THAT is what turns off many girls. It's not that nice = weakness, but that being TOO nice and letting everyone walk over you = weakness. For instance, I almost dated a friend of mine who was nice and great in every aspect, except that he was too nice and he would have let any girl walk over him, much less me. I need a guy who, if I"m in trouble, will step in without asking and take initiative to help me out when I need it. But being much too much of a "nice" guy, he was actually the type of person to stand back and stumble around in the dark trying to figure out what to do to help me, rather than... "grow some balls" as you put it. I'm no damsel-in-distress, believe me, but if I were to be harassed by a guy, I need my partner to step in and be ready to deck him, instead of one who will beg like a puppy for my tormentor to stop.
It's great that everyone has so many friends that one more is meaningless.
I'm a girl who is always getting friend zoned. I don't know why. I'm not their bitch, I don't say how high when they say jump, the only ones that tell me about their girl problems are the ones I have already friend-zoned, and even though I don't look like Scarlet Johansen, I'm not ugly, either.
@Roninsabum@xanga - I don't think she's saying it's bad to have one more friend, just that it sucks to be thought of as "just a friend" when you are romantically attracted to the person.
good advice. i dont believe the 'friends before lovers' thing at all. for me there is a window of 'chemistry' which is about 2 wks to a month if the guy is single and we actively are in each other's company...if the guy is attached then yes it would take longer but the attractions still there. if the guy is single and hasnt made a move beyond a month, FRIENDS ZONE.
@EccentricSiren@xanga - Agreed, and I know I've friend-zoned several girls myself. I've just noticed a bit of a trend lately: as we progress into our late 20's and 30's we (not I) become so obsessed with finding a romantic connection that we lose and forget our real friendships and end up more lonely than when we started. And yes, being in a relationship is not enough to not be lonely.
i think us men don't "get into the friend's zone". we are put there by women who are not interested in us in that way. so you can mack on them any way you want, if she wants to put you in the friend's zone, you're so there even before you said "hello".
IT IS THE HOLY GRAIL!
Man I've pretty much done all that stuff. Fun times.
@phoenixBRG@xanga - I think you make a realistic point here, but 2-4 weeks isn't usually quite enough time to determine if a prospect is...*ahem...clean. I'm no prude (not by a long shot), but prudent in the viral-minefield we call dating.
Great post, great ladder theory. I admit, I used to be one of those too nice guys before I figured some things out going into college. I'm pretty sure I avoid doing most of those pitfalls now except sometimes the "Dear Abby" part. I was a psychology major, so I can't help but be empathetic and a good listener at times haha
What a good post! Friend zone is kiss of death. When you're in the friend zone, you immediately stop being a sexual being in that girl's eyes. Once you're in it, you are in it forever. It takes a man who knows EXACTLY what he is doing to get out of it. Even then, the guy has better chance with Sarah Palin then getting out of the zone.
From what I have learned, don't listen to girls when they say they want a nice guy. That only happens when they are 30 some years old, even then it is still sketchy. It is BETTER to be called an asshole then a nice guy. A girl may say you are an asshole to your face in front of everyone. But guess what, you still have better chance of get in to her pants. So, advice for all guy, when a girl say you are a nice guy do WHATEVER you can to change her perception of you IMMEDIATELY.
@Roninsabum@xanga - hmm tru tru then again its NEVER too early to have that conversation. and if the person is resistant to it/be honest/open about having that conversation, why would you want to go any further with them, seriously?
An enjoyable read, thanks!
@tony_asian_tiger@xanga - its ok to be nice but NOT a p***y. just BE a good guy and make ur move fast. wouldn't you rather have your answer sooner than dragging it out (which wont do u any favors and will just leave u frustrated on ALL ways possible). hahaha ^_^
@wewong@xanga - yes and no. ur right, theres a certain type certain girls like. then again many guys just DONT SAY ANYTHING so they will never know if they were even being considered as a 'potential'. but if u think ur in the friend zone, just put ur hopes elsewhere. she wouldn't be the ONLY girl on the planet for you, theres so many other potentials out there. when guys get FIXATED and in the firend's zone, sometimes it borders on pathetic esp if its been more than a few yrs already...
@EccentricSiren@xanga - wow thats interesting. i know so many girls where guys would totally give them a chance if they even KNEW of their interest. guys are picky but u'd be surprised how open they are to certain things. most of the guys i know WANT relationships, less so the girls.
@the_bonsai_tree@xanga - Bingo
also, if you declare your intentions, and a chick says, i don't want to ruin our awesome friendship! she was never interested in the first place. sorry boys.