Saturday, 30 August 2008
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Dear Dr. Datingish: We're Dating But He Won't Say I'm His GF
I've been "seeing" someone for almost a year now. We have been friends for almost 10 years and when I expressed to him a couple years ago that I had started to grow feelings for him, he shut me down and I was mortified. However, two years ago, we started fooling around; one thing led to another and we've been exclusive for almost a year now.
Strangely enough, he won't put a title on it and he refuses to admit that I am his girlfriend. He treats me as though I'm his girlfriend and a day doesn't go by where we won't see each other...and this has been going on for the better part of the year. We're intimate, but not passionate.
He bends over backwards for me...he practically lives at my house and now that I have been forced to move, he signed the lease for my new house so that I wouldn't have to move out of town. He seems like the perfect guy, but his refusal to admit that he is mine or I am his has me torn.
Is this a classic case of "he's just not that into you"?
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Have you suggested that you would like him to announce that you are his girlfriend? Or are you just guessing that he doesn't want to admit? If you have then it isn't that he is not into you, it looks like he wants both the cake and eat it. Like the best of both worlds, to have you around and in his bed and not having a commitment status. Some guys like this kind of arrangement, they are either afraid of commitment or they like things simple for them with no strings attached.
he's playing you. as long as it's convenient, he would be willing to do anything for you. but announcing to the world that he's yours, that's not "convenient" for him if you know what i mean. figure out what he's doing when he's not with you, and you might realize that maybe he's not really bending over backward for you.
*sigh* that's how me and my best guy friend 'are'. and i feel like that's how it's gonna be later on.Â
I have to wonder why a label is all that important to you?
You seem to be putting a label ahead of how he treats you and cares for you. That makes me wonder how insecure you might be and how untrusting of him and his motives you must be. I just don't see why if you trusted him and loved him as much as you seem to from what you write that his uttering a word would make everything better.
It is entirely possible that he is scared of commitment, a lot of guys are. Or maybe he loves you and just isn't quite ready to admit to himself his own feelings for you, this also happens fairly frequently. Sure its also possible that he is just putting up with you while looking for something better but your tale gives no evidence of that so you are jumping to a worst case scenario with this post.
In short you need to trust him and let him move at his own pace. You don't want to push him away from you and pushing to hard could do just that. If it really is important to you then mention it on a few separate occasions and then leave it to him.
You really need to talk him and give him the message straight up. Don't let miscommunication ruin it. If things don't work out, then let it for another reason. Talk to him, and if he doesn't want to commit to you(as far as being bf and gf), then I think it's time you reorganize your thoughts as far as he goes.
He needs to get his act straight. But, you need to figure out why he's acting that way. Don't let some guy torn you apart. Talk to him and see what's going on.
OMG, I know this all too well. I'm pretty much doing the same. Except first we went out and then we broke up, and the day after our split, we were already hanging out as more than friends.
He's sweet and caring and intimate, and we're practically BFF's, but nobody knows that we're still sort of together and it bothers me too, but then I thought if it's really important to me that all our friends would know this, and well, it's not..so in a way I'm fine with it.
A similar situation happened to my best friend, except that he said, "of course we are boyfriend and girlfriend!" but then told her not to tell anyone. When he started to realize that she was truly starting to love him, he flipped out and left her. He wanted all the companionship and her commitment, but he couldn't make that commitment to her.
Talk to your man and give him a chance to make this right, but don't let yourself settle for less than what you are offering to him. Good luck!
@wewong@xanga - he's playing you. as long as it's convenient, he would be willing to do anything for you.
I agree and wouldn't be surprized if he's cheating on her also.
The real question here is, why haven't you asked him? Communication is key in relationships where feelings that have developed over time (years you say) are on the line. I strongly suggest taking a breather and coming to him as his partner and friend with the things that are on your heart. If he really bends over backwards for you and treats you as well as you think a boyfriend should treat his lady then I doubt openness of this kind would startle him.
He's obviously into you if you see him every day and are intimate but HOW into you is he needs to be addressed. Some people don't place much importance on titles and the words of things and some people are players. The best way to keep your heart from suffering is to bite the bullet and let your will be known. If he backs down then let it go with the knowledge that, as cliche as it sounds, there are plenty other fish in the sea - probably many of which that would be lucky to swim with you.
If you guys are already intimate with each other, seeing each other, doing things for each other and such, why would a title be a big deal yo you? As long as the feelings are there and true, that's all that really matter. A title doesn't have to determine that.
I believe he's around because the situation is the most convenient, most comfortable one for him to be in right now. His unwillingness to "claim" you makes me suspicious; men are territorial and stake claim to what they feel belongs to them. I think that he's keeping things vague because if something better came along, he can use the fact that no commitment is present as his excuse for leaving you.
I would say that this is a classic case of bad communication. I can't go into it right now, but this is a bad situation.
maybe he's the type of guy that's shy about relationships and can't see to admit it?
i think it's really "cute" and "sweet" that some people want to tell you that a title doesn't matter...
deep down i'm pretty sure you know that's bull. it's an easy way for guys to get what they want without having to feel guilty if they decide to end it.
it sounds like this relationship is all about what he wants, and as long as it (more or less) lines up with what you want, it seems great. but when he no longer wants what the two of you have right now, he's gonna get off easy, and you're gonna get hurt.
i was like that with my best friend..
until he got tired of it and moved away and is now engaged.
looks like he wants someone beside him but doesn't want anything "official" or sort of involvement.
Doesn't look very trustful. What if one day he would find a girlfriend? what if says: well, we never been engaged.
Be smarter than him.
You should just talk to him about it. I bet he doesn't even know that you want that sort of official title.
If he "bends over backwards for you" I don't think that it's a case of "he's just not interested." It shouldn't be a big deal though, but if it bothers you that much, just straight up ask him what the deal is.
@mrcolorful@xanga - I dont think it's about a "label", it's more of a guarantee, a promise. I mean, spending every day with someone and being INTIMATE with them and then having them belittle it by not stating what it is that you are-- it's 1) sending mixed signals, 2) hurtful and 3) kind of irresponsible. You are toying with someone's feelings. It's one thing if you say "look, i'm really enjoying your company but i dont want to classify us into anything, i just want to BE with you, whatever it is that we are" but another to spend time together like a couple would and not put a title on it without saying why (shouldnt be that hard to state a reason). He signed her lease, i mean, if one day he decided that them getting their nooky on and spending time together isnt enough for him anymore, he could just up and take her things out of the house and leave her out on the street if he so chooses because HEY they aren't anything. I think it's great to have a relationship where there is that kind of intrigue and allure and you just enjoy each other, it's great, i been there, done that, but it's been almost a year, that's a bit too long to remain ambiguous like that.
He's the one that is insecure and if he does so much for her like she says, it shouldnt be so hard for him to say something as simple as "commitment scares me, let's take things slow". The start of their relationship wasnt slow.........why is it that men arent as scared of intimacy as they are of commitment, that's what I ask myself. It's kind of funny to me, really. You dont want a girl to get attached to you and wonder whether she's your girl or not, then dont have sex with her!! Men know that women get attached (not always) when they have sex with a man, whyyy bother to have sex with a girl and not want her to get attached. That's oxymoronic.
Ambiguity is not good in a relationship. It takes two to tango, his vagueness is not to her advantage. I dont think that she's insecure by wanting to know what they are-- she's being inquisitive and wanting to be put in her rightful place. I feel comfortable knowing that I'm being considered in the relationship and put in the right place--and for me, being someone's blah isnt enough.
@ReginaNokis@xanga - AGREED.
@cubancutiepie@xanga - Damn straight. It is very hurtful to send out mixed signals.
I would be very careful. It is true that a handful of men fear commitment, as there are women who also. However, if they fear commitment to the degree that they can't call someone their girlfriend when they are clearly a couple, then they should not be entering relationships and toying with people's feelings in the first place.
Surely, there isn't a sound enough reason for someone to act like they are part of a mutual, monogamous relationship but be unable to admit so? That sends out warning signals for me.
And again, agreeing with cubancutiepie - saying that "girlfriend" is just a label is like saying "wife" is just a label and that neither mean anything. I could never imagine calling my boyfriend my "friend". That's effed up.
To the OP - Darling, speak to him, and get a clear understanding from him, because being in limbo is not fun, and you obviously know that. After all, he is a man, and even if he is "afraid" of commitment, I think it's a poor, pathetic excuse. He is obviously very willing to spend lots of time with you, and be committed to you physically and mentally, so what's his problem with admitting it, other than wanting to be able to seek things on the side, or later leave you?
After all, people can be very cruel. My friend had a bit of a sticky mess like this also, and because the boy never admitted to being in a relationship with her (though he clearly was), when it came to her losing her virginity to him, he left her straight afterwards, and all he had to say was this : "I never said we were together or official or anything."
If he is not willing to let you know where you stand with him, drop him. It's what I did with someone in the past and I truly think it was the best decision I ever made, because now, I am with someone who is amazing and respects me.
Definitely talk to him.
I just spent 9 months with a guy that I was too afraid to have the "what are we?" conversation with. And at the end, it came back to bite me. "We never actually set boundaries"...I assumed after 9 months the boundaries were pretty clear, but obviously they weren't. On the other hand, I knew that he was afraid of commitment, so I never pushed the "title" issue, because I was afraid that it would mean the end.
Don't be afraid to talk to him. If he dumps you because you want the official title of girlfriend, then he's a prick and you deserve much better. On the other hand, if he says "of course you are, I'm sorry I didn't realize how much it meant to you", and of course then he starts referring to you as such around friends and family, then he's a keeper.
From the way you say he treats you, so well, it sounds to me like his actions speak louder than words. It's just a label. Believe me, labels don't bring security either.
If you want him to call you his girlfriend openly, and he truly cares about you, it should be that simple. He should just do it. I want to swear right now about it because this one guy led me around for years and I wasn't sure what we were and I too was afraid that maybe I was caring too much about the whole "label thing" but in the end I realized that he wasn't worth it if he wasn't willing to give me even that tiny bit of comfort.(and he was trying to see other people behind me back) Â Fuck the fact that he was willing to drive me cross country or bend over backwards for me. It's such a tiny request compared to everything else.... I don't know, this post just made me angry, that's all. Don't let anyone tell you it's just a label, it isn't. If it's important to you, it's important to you.Â