Monday, 04 August 2008

  • GQ: Define Cheating...

    This is a guest blog submitted by sahar.

    After thinking about my past experience with cheating, I got to thinking about what people consider cheating.  I was doing some research and came across an old GQ article called "What is Cheating? GQ Editors Probe the Hazy Boundaries of Fidelity," where they polled more than 500 sober American men on what they considered cheating.  (They felt the need to add "sober"). 

    I was shocked to find that 25% said that fantasizing regularly about another woman was cheating and 32% think that receiving a lap dance was cheating.  Here are some more statistics from the article:

    53% said paying for phone sex is cheating
    55% said getting a happy ending after a massage is cheating
    65% said having cybersex is cheating
    7% said that being drunk gave you a free pass and you weren't responsible for your actions
    59% of men in a relationship cheated at least once
    and 61% said it was easier to cheat the second time around.

    Some of these statistics seem okay, but being a sober American women, I wouldn't consider fantasizing about another woman cheating.  I can't control his thoughts.  When it comes to cheating, I believe intentions are to be considered.

    What were his intentions when receiving that lap dance - to work up an appetite or get laid?  However, having good intentions and doing something that you would be ashamed to tell your SO is pushing the line. 

    But that's just me.  What do you consider cheating?

Comments (31)

  • CanadianConspiracy@xanga

    kissing and beyond is cheating to me.
    if he wants a lap dance, fine.
    if he wants to kiss her, he can get out.

  • dzy_1@xanga

    I think that all men have wandering eyes, you'll always catch us turning our heads when we see hot women, its ingrained in us :).  But anything beyond that I'd consider cheating, as long as the guy started it.  And yea I'd consider a lap dance as cheating... 

    I really don't see the point of cheating really, if you are so unhappy or unsatisfied with a relationship, why continue it...its only extra damage to both parties.

  • josiebunny@xanga

    Anything physical or intentional is cheating. I'd never dream of having phone sex, cybersex, or going to a strip club because I'm in love with my boyfriend and he's in love with me. I could understand fantasizing to an extend--you can't control certain things--but anything further is just insulting. I know my boyfriend would feel the same way. If I ever flirted with another guy, he'd be really hurt...

    I don't know where they found all those scumbags, but that survey just can't be accurate.
    Either that, or my boyfriend really is one of the few nice guys still around...

  • Kateycatastrophe@xanga

    I dont consider fantasizing cheating. I consider him calling me a different name wrong, but on the borderline of cheating.

  • TheCheshireGrins@xanga

    I would say once you act on on your non-monogamous thoughts, you are cheating. I mean, I fantasize about Brad Pitt, but that certainly is not the same as me kissing him or having phone sex with him.

  • DarkLordPenguin@xanga

    It all depends on the boundaries you set with each other. I am of the strong opinion that you can do whatever you want as long as your partner is fully informed and consents to it.

    Me personally? I couldn't handle my SO getting a lap dance or having phone/cyber sex. The kind of intimacy I'm interested in precludes that sort of thing. What he imagines, well, whatever, I'm not willing to get into thought censorship, I don't want to be treated that way myself.

    The cheating problem arises when you can't be honest with one another. End of story. If you two have made a deal, it doesn't matter how freaky your friends think it is, it's the deal you've made, and are both comfortable with. (Also, don't make deals you aren't comfortable with - see bit about honesty.) If you can't come to a deal, then you aren't sexually compatible. Move on now while you're not bitter. Frankly, this is a major reason we should be accepting of GLBT people. By pressuring them to stay in the closet, we're only hurting the spouses they've lied to and gotten married to, only to discover they have to divorce them to go be themselves. If you're a swinger deep down, same deal.

    I know too many people (as in, any at all) with nonstandard sex lives to go around saying that my way is the only way, and have seen one of my best friends completely destroy her carefully structured life because she was living a lie, because she couldn't be honest about her needs.

  • RiceDaddy7@xanga

    I think...................if you took care of your lover, you'd never have to worry about what defines cheating.

  • kor_girl@xanga

    If and when my bf checks out other women (as I check out other men) I don't notice. I guess since he does it with a technique that's not obvious for me, I probably won't care unless he starts getting inconsiderably careless or develops a hunger for more than just LOOKING. In my dictionary, cheating would be when he lies to me to be with her; whether it's a semi-platonic dinner or an outing, and they share physical and emotional intimacy. "Sex is just sex" is BS and "it didn't mean anything" is a lie.

  • beachblondie711@xanga

    This is something to be defined between the two people in the relationship. Every relationship has its own unique boundaries that demand respect. Cheating, breaking those boundaries, is unacceptable to me.


    It's not so much about defining cheating as it is trying every day to be your best for your SO, and vice versa. It's about respect and love, both of which will prevent this question from even being a problem if they exist within the relationship.


    I go by this rule:


    I never act in a way that I wouldn't if my SO was in the room watching.

  • Mizmazed@xanga

    i find it extremely hard to believe that people can go years without being curious or interesting in another person. its all in us, that urge to cheat and i'd say way more than 60% of us do it. i'd rather have a guy just say  he's going out with a female and trust that he isn't screwing her for dessert. and if it happens, then i get my right to kiss a man, or whoever the next time i go out. i dont take it seriously though... giving the man his freedom to choose to cheat or not cheat usually turns him into a more trustworthy man. if he's whipped by someone, he's likely to get out and cheat. women cheat too though. i'm not going to just put men on the line here. i'll admit, i have. 

  • la_faerie_joyeuse@xanga

    What do I think?
    Fantasizing regularly about
    another woman was cheating
    Receiving a lap dance (from someone else) is
    cheating
    Paying for phone sex is cheating
    Having cybersex (with someone else) is cheating
    Being drunk isn't excusable in itself, much less any actions committed while drunk!
    I've never cheated, but I definitely think it's easier to cheat the second time around.

    My eyes are only on him.  I'll admit to having occasional straying thoughts, but very rarely, only for variety, not anything I would EVER seriously do, and never the same situation/man twice.

  • la_faerie_joyeuse@xanga
  • vexed_v6@xanga

    cheating to me is when your SO other slips his MEMBER into another womans vajayjay.
    thats  cheating.
    or when your girlfriend slid and accidentally fell on your best-friends (or some complete strangers) wood pecker.

    :) thats cheating.
    all that other stuff..like you said it's all about where his intentions are. lap dancing,webcams,thats not cheating..fantasizing, those are just things that build your SO up to go out and cheat.LOL. jus know that he'll end up cheating on you if he's cybersexing, lapdancing, and fantasizing. It's only a matter of time. if you ask me...

  • kinari125@xanga

    i'm too strict in my views of cheating.
    honestly, even remotely thinking of another girl would be enough to disappoint me.
    i'd rather have a boyfriend who'd have mad passionate hot sex with a girl rather than kiss her, simply because kisses normally epitomize feeling whereas having sex embodies lust.

  • beachblondie711@xanga

    @la_faerie_joyeuse@xanga - thank you. :)


    I agree with you about being drunk. The way I see it, if you know that drinking makes you more prone to cheat (or do anything else inexcusable), then you shouldn't be drinking. And if you do, accept responsibility for it! It was your choice! When people say "But I was drunk!" I just want to punch them in the face. That's really no consolation, and it's certainly not an excuse.

  • ks_chenyah@xanga

    I don't care so much about the definition of whether or not it's cheating.  If a guy did any of those things mentioned, I would have to say the woman has to start wondering whether or not it's worth her time to continue the relationship with this guy or start another relationship.  I don't know why she has to wait until he starts a relationship with someone else for her to get the hint that he's not that into her anymore.

  • la_faerie_joyeuse@xanga

    @beachblondie711@xanga - Even if they don't do anything irresponsible, I'd much prefer my SO not drink.  I think it's sloppy and indicative of someone not living the right way.

  • Dobserver@xanga

    this kind of relates to the "physical" and "emotional" cheating. physical being the actual acts and emotional being the emotional connection by your significant other to someone else. To answer your question, I don't consider any of those things as cheating - but if any of those things are happening its time for you to take a serious look at your relationship. Maybe besides fantasizing ... which is a little extreme 

  • jenvelandres@xanga

    cheating usually occurs when one/both of them is unsatisfied with their relationship..cheating is the wrong way to go around it though..

    if they think something is missing, or whatever, i think they should talk about it and do something about it, and if they cant fix it then just broke up..

    rather than hurt the person by ending up cheating..

  • dreamerboi23@xanga

    I agree with a previous comment that it is based on what you two set as the boundaries of your relationship.  Because isn't that pretty much what an open relationship is?  And obviously married swingers do things that to most people would be considered cheating, yet they are happily married.  Even more so than other married couples.  So it depends on what you two set up.  I guess more specifically, any action your SO would consider cheating.  That might not seem fair but if you two aren't on the same page on what constitutes cheating, then maybe you two aren't really a good couple.  And I think most guys would agree to that, "hmmm would my gf consider this cheating".  Pretty much for most people tho its one or the other 1) Would my SO consider this cheating?  2) Do I consider this cheating? 

    I think if you stick with 1 you will be ok, assuming you rational thinking person.  2, you run into problems.  I don't consider this cheating but my SO does. 

    Then the topic of emotional and physical cheating, as discussed before.  If someone imagines they are having sex with someone else, while they are having sex with their SO is that cheating?  Or if someone is bonding with someone but not being physical with them, and later decides they want to dump their SO for the other person, is that emotional cheating? 

  • x_girlheartsboy@xanga

    cheating is unacceptable & inexcusable. they make it sound like an accident half of the time... "one thing let to another....." please!


    it's normal for guys & girls to check out one another though. i will admit however that i get a little jealous when i notice my SO do it right in front of my face clear as day (the whole up-and-down-scan-the-body checkout.) he gets smacked when i notice it. ;) just don't do it front of me. ;)


    anyway... kissing and beyond is considered cheating to me. i'll agree that if the guy is fantasizing about the same woman constantly, then there are issues..  be a man, or woman, and do yourselves both a favor, and break up with your "SO" if they're not continuing to satisfy your needs.

  • hopelessromantic

    I definitely wouldn't consider thoughts cheating. Everyone thinks about doing things they would never do, and it's precisely the fact that we can resist temptation that makes us good people.

    As for everything else, I would say it's all cheating. Like you said, if you're ashamed to tell the other person, then it's crossing the line.

  • akandjievo@xanga

    1)to me cheating is not just the actual act of physical or emotional cheating,but it's more about breaking the trust,the act of deceiving your expectations and hopes about that person,the act of hiding the truth...


    2)before i used to think that i prefer to know if something like this happened ...but now i think i prefer him keeping the secret for himself...after all i don't need useless suffering...


    3) i think it's inevitable especially for men to cheat...it's just their archetypal male nature of hunters that urges them to prove their competitive power...so at some extent i am prone to forgive if it happens one time and he regrets about it... simply because i believe everybody deserves a second chance... but if it happens more than once i quit...actually it happened to me already and i know that a relationship without trust is just not worthy...

  • cakeplease@xanga

    Cheating: a polyamorous perspective.

    Cheating would be doing anything with someone who is not your primary partner without their knowledge/consent.  My husband knows who I talk to, when and to where I go out with someone else, and whether sex was involved.  He doesn't want the details as a personal preference, but if he asked I would give them to him.  Same rule applies for him.

    If he was to have sexual contact (or phone sex or cyber sex) with someone I didn't know, without talking to me about the other person first, then it would be cheating.  (And vice versa.)

    Lap dances aren't cheating; neither is looking at another person or fantasizing about someone else.  If anything it should be an opportunity to discuss your partner's likes and dislikes, what attracts them, what turns them on.  Knowing these things, being open and willing to communicate makes you a better partner and better lover.

  • JandJinJapan@xanga

    Doing anything with with a person of the opposite sex that you know you should do only with your wife or husband, fiance' or fiancee', or boyfriend or girlfriend.

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